Lionel new Excursion 3 and 4 packs - Anyone know what's in them?

All the car names are clearly listed in the catalog. What other information are you trying to find out?

Pete

WileE posted:

So does anyone know the specific train cars in either of the new Lionel Excurion 3 and 4 packs?  These are Lionel 2027230 Union Pacific Excursion Expansion 3 Pack and Lionel 2027240 Union Pacific Excursion Expansion 4 Pack.  Very little information in the 2019 V2 catalog or on Lionel's website.  Would love to know what the 7 cars are?

Steve

They are Pack 3 and Pack 4, each of which has two cars.  I would assume that names of the 4 cars are what is shown in the art work.

Thanks Pete. I have the catalog in front of me and on page 32 and 33 they show 2 cars from each set. So where are the names of the third car in set 2027230 and the third and fourth cars in set 2027240? If they are there I'm missing them.

OK, now I get it. there are only 2 in each pack. I read that as a 3 pack and a 4 pack. Good now. Thanks guys

The previous 2 car sets were in earlier catalogs. One of those is scheduled to be released around the end of this year according to the Charles Ro website.

Pete

WileE posted:

OK, now I get it. there are only 2 in each pack. I read that as a 3 pack and a 4 pack. Good now. Thanks guys

Don't feel so bad, I had the same problem. I read the title of the car packs the same way you did. Over all its a bummer that it was not a 3 or a 4 pack of cars because then it would have made the price worth it. Oh well. 

The Lionel 2027240 has the "Lone Star" Business Car with EOT Lights and the "Harriman" Dome Observation with EOT Lights that are controlled by a switch. The "Harriman" Dome Observation has Lionel Kinematic couplers on both ends.  The "Lone Star" has a scale coupler on the rear of the Observation Tail.

The 2027230 has a 36-seat "City of Denver" Dining Car without sound and another Dome Observation, "Walter Dean" in the Excursion 2-pack #3. 

The Excursion Dining  Dome will probably appear as a Camera Dome.  There are two posts on the lower level to hold the camera board electronics over the heads of people in the recessed lounge.

Sincerely, John Rowlen

the "Harriman" and "Walter Dean"

I started converting one of my Lone Stars to a Kenifick since I didn't want to purchase the whole Bush train to get this one car. Still trying to optimize the drum head.

Pete

@Norton posted:

I started converting one of my Lone Stars to a Kenifick since I didn't want to purchase the whole Bush train to get this one car. Still trying to optimize the drum head.

Pete

That looks great. Did you use Molotow chrome ink on the railings, drumhead and other metal trim? I was thinking of doing the same with mine when I can get to it - although the broad tip pens Molotow comes in tend to spread the cover around unevenly. I have airbrushed it successfully but not tried hand brushing a three-dimensional assembly like yours.

Regarding John Rowlen's earlier post, I have not seen this Excursion car interior assembly before - either for the dome table seating or main level:

Interesting to see how Lionel dealt with this dome dining car, including eliminating partitions that in their other Excursion car interiors run down the middle of windows! However, I can't see that you'd get anything but legless passenger figures seated at those one-piece molded dining tables . . .  

I did use Molotow but used a brush with the refill ink. I knew it had to go on heavy to get the shine but may remove it and spray it on for a more even finish. It comes off easily with alcohol but the alcohol also discolors the yellow so I would have mask it off if I did this.

This is another drumhead done on photo paper with an inkjet printer. better dpi at 2400 but can't seem to get rid of the blueish tinge. The one above was done with a 600 dpi laser jet on transparency. Closer to the original but less resolution.

Pete

Your drumhead looks great Pete!

Thanks T. I am tossing around the idea of scratch building a new railing system. The model is pretty clunky compared to the prototype.

Pete

@Norton posted:

Thanks T. I am tossing around the idea of scratch building a new railing system. The model is pretty clunky compared to the prototype.

Pete

Sorry if you have already said this but how did you make the drum head?

@Norton posted:

Thanks T. I am tossing around the idea of scratch building a new railing system. The model is pretty clunky compared to the prototype.

Pete

I can see what you mean but the railings and other trim must be separately applied parts that could come off for spraying. In fact, allowing for the fact that photos exaggerate any unevenness in reflective finishes, your finish is a great improvement on the stock one - especially around the drumhead. I was wondering how you got either a marker or a brush over all those rails.

The color on the inkjet printed drumhead is unfortunately a matter of trial and error in my experience. I generally print more than one version on the same sheet with slight variations in the background color to see which comes out closest to what I want. With most inkjet printers and using software like Photoshop Elements, the color shown on screen just won’t be exactly matched by the print version - especially if the primary color is some variation of blue.

@Trainmaster04 posted:

Sorry if you have already said this but how did you make the drum head?

A few forum members posted pictures of this car here at my request during the 4014 run to the Golden Spike. I used this image along with a program called Irfanview to size and print the image. Irfanview is freeware that runs on Windows and has been around for many years. It allows you to size the image exactly in inches or centimeters that is printed. So far I have tried 4 printers, one inkjet, one color laserjet, and two B/W laserjets to try and match the prototype. Still not completely satisfied. 

I also cut circles out of plastic to mount the images on using a heated cork borer, actually a sharpened thin wall tubing. Makes a nice clean cut. White milk bottle are the best so far.

@Norton posted:

A few forum members posted pictures of this car here at my request during the 4014 run to the Golden Spike. I used this image along with a program called Irfanview to size and print the image. Irfanview is freeware that runs on Windows and has been around for many years. It allows you to size the image exactly in inches or centimeters that is printed. So far I have tried 4 printers, one inkjet, one color laserjet, and two B/W laserjets to try and match the prototype. Still not completely satisfied. 

I also cut circles out of plastic to mount the images on using a heated cork borer, actually a sharpened thin wall tubing. Makes a nice clean cut. White milk bottle are the best so far.

Thanks for responding and going through the steps you took to get to the final result. I might just try it but first I have to get the set and that is going to hard to get approved by the CEO.

I believe Charles Ro has the best prices, others may match. Good luck.

Pete

Hancock52,

You are correct about legless people at the round lower level tables.  Fortunately my Dremel Tool Sanding Drum is close to the Circumference of the Tables.  I have also had to grind a little off the backside of the figures to help coax them into the seats.  I touch up paint on the figures to provide the best fit and looks at the tables.

The first picture shows an offset circular grinding of the old lady with a cane.  To keep the cane, I started grinding from the opposite side, leaving a little of the dress, hand and cane that is visible through a window.

The overweight man's legs straddle the sanding drum and there are legs on either side of his chair.  The figures are Preiser 65602 Unpainted Seated People that I painted.

Have a good week.

Sincerely, John Rowlen

Pete

If you have a drawing or dimensions I could build the railing with my laser 3D printer.

The drumhead could be laser engraved on White/Gray  acrylic. As you engrave the white lettering remains  the engraved part is gray.

John, fine work on the interior! Who makes those figures?

Alan, I appreciate the offer. I have no dimensions yet and not even sure if the railing is round bar or flat stock. I am thinking its the latter. I think it should be fairly simple to fabricate with some brass stock though as soon as I get a round tuit.

Pete

On the subject of Lionel UP 21" passenger cars, has anyone heard any news of the Experience car?

@Trainmaster04 posted:

On the subject of Lionel UP 21" passenger cars, has anyone heard any news of the Experience car?

If you mean the 2027580 "Experience" UP baggage car, Charles Ro shows it as not due until September 10. Lionel shipping schedule says last month but that is obviously out of date.

I can't say I am bothered as long as they get the right number of axles on each truck!

@Hancock52 posted:

If you mean the 2027580 "Experience" UP baggage car, Charles Ro shows it as not due until September 10. Lionel shipping schedule says last month but that is obviously out of date.

I can't say I am bothered as long as they get the right number of axles on each truck!

Yes, that is the product I was talking about and that is odd. I looked on TrainWorld and they say June 30. Thinking about it, it does take about a month, or less, for a product to ship from Lionel to then get to distributors. Also, I agree I hope Lionel makes it with the correct trucks and do not mess up the paint scheme.

Actually I would not be totally surprised if these cars turned up sooner than Ro's website indicates. I expected mine to come with the Expansion set as they had always been listed as due to ship at the same time. But getting it right is more important than getting it sooner. Mine is coming from Charlie Nassau and I'll probably get a call as soon as it's ready for UPS (gulp).

P.S. I had not expected this car to be anything but a painted up, 6 axle version of a standard baggage car but now I notice that the catalog description refers to "molded interior details." Bearing in mind that the other recent UP Excursion/Heritage Fleet cars have some very interesting interiors, I wonder what this one will offer? I have not been in this car and info on the display is fairly limited but it looks like there are display partitions:

@Hancock52 posted:

Actually I would not be totally surprised if these cars turned up sooner than Ro's website indicates. I expected mine to come with the Expansion set as they had always been listed as due to ship at the same time. But getting it right is more important than getting it sooner. Mine is coming from Charlie Nassau and I'll probably get a call as soon as it's ready for UPS (gulp).

P.S. I had not expected this car to be anything but a painted up, 6 axle version of a standard baggage car but now I notice that the catalog description refers to "molded interior details." Bearing in mind that the other recent UP Excursion/Heritage Fleet cars have some very interesting interiors, I wonder what this one will offer? I have not been in this car and info on the display is fairly limited but it looks like there are display partitions:

I did not notice that detail in the catalog. I will definitely have to at the page again. Also, I was able to go through the car and it was interesting. U.P. had two employes dressed in vintage uniforms and they were our "tour" guide for the car. It was fun to go through and it had some interactive sections. Overall, made so that the everyday person can understand what they are looking at. 

@Trainmaster04 posted:

I did not notice that detail in the catalog. I will definitely have to at the page again. Also, I was able to go through the car and it was interesting. U.P. had two employes dressed in vintage uniforms and they were our "tour" guide for the car. It was fun to go through and it had some interactive sections. Overall, made so that the everyday person can understand what they are looking at. 

I now see that what dealers have done for their online listings is take the product description in that catalog that is for the passenger cars and apply it to the Experience car as well. Maybe they got that direct from Lionel but it's not a guarantee that there will be any specific interior made for this car. Be nice if they did, though.

@Hancock52 posted:

I now see that what dealers have done for their online listings is take the product description in that catalog that is for the passenger cars and apply it to the Experience car as well. Maybe they got that direct from Lionel but it's not a guarantee that there will be any specific interior made for this car. Be nice if they did, though.

Yes, it would but then the car would be in the 250 range instead of upper 150 range. Also, I think you are right about there being no guarantee for there being an interior. I think it is more likely that they meant the passenger cars and happenstance the baggage car fell into the description. Oh well, I just hope it arrives safe and correct.