Lionel New H10 Steam Engine Bluetooth Display Issue

Well, the Lionel model actually is an H9, so that part is correct on Bluetooth.

Bob posted:

Well, the Lionel model actually is an H9, so that part is correct on Bluetooth.

Right but the actual model its based on doesn't matter.  The display should match whatever the engine type is and definitely the road number.  Why is the Legacy reading it as an H10  #6072 correctly but Bluetooth is not?  

Obviously, the BT module in the locomotive is programmed incorrectly.  There's a little board in the locomotive that does the BT function.

gunrunnerjohn posted:

Obviously, the BT module in the locomotive is programmed incorrectly.  There's a little board in the locomotive that does the BT function.

Ok that makes sense, not sure if it’s fixable but I’ll shoot an email off to Lionel.

Awesome video Sean. I ordered the Lines west this morning. These little guys are going to sell out quickly.

Thanks!

I have one of the new Legacy AC6000.  In the Bluetooth app the engine is identified as "Lionel Diesel Locomotive" and the road number is listed as "1234"  Apparently what engine information is entered into the Cab2 has no influence on what the app displays.  

You might be able to re-name the Bluetooth Device in your Phone's Bluetooth section.  I've renamed many of my devices (headphones, car, etc.) this way.  I don't know if that change will show up in the app or not.

Even if renaming the device works, the problem will still exist when you have multiple Bluetooth engines on the layout at the same time but each engine has its own road number.  I guess it's a minor annoyance if the display reads something generic or the wrong number since you can only connect to one engine at a time with the app.  It isn't like the universal remote where you can run three engines independently at the same time.  With the app, all "available" engines are inoperable except for the one engine you have connected.  If you have multiple Bluetooth/Legacy engines on the track at the same time, if there is a Cab2 connected you can run the unconnected engines using the Cab2 and the one connected engine using the app.  If there is no Cab2 connected, all the unconnected Legacy/Bluetooth engines will power up in Conventional mode and any Bluetooth LionChief Plus engines will chirp except for the one that is connected to the app.  It appears that at the present time, if you want to run multiple Legacy/Bluetooth engines at once, without a Cab2,  you need the Universal Remote.  With the UR and no Cab2, you could run 4 engines (3 with the UR and 1 with the app).

Lionel released an update to the Bluetooth app for the 2019 engines last week.  Try upgrading the app first through iTunes store or Android site.  The engine list apparently resides within the app.

MartyE posted:

Lionel released an update to the Bluetooth app for the 2019 engines last week.  Try upgrading the app first through iTunes store or Android site.  The engine list apparently resides within the app.

Yup all my iOS devices update my apps automatically.  Last update for the Lion chief app was Nov 16th, so that lines up with your date.  Looks like its the chip inside the engine.  It makes sense since they messed up the catalog too (having 8093 in main title and 6072 in detail description), so someone did not do their quality control check, haha.

Not sure if its even reprogrammable or worth it to send it in.  I'll wait to hear back from Lionel or maybe they can respond on the forum  to let people know.

SandJam posted:

Yup all my iOS devices update my apps automatically.  Last update for the Lion chief app was Nov 16th, so that lines up with your date.  Looks like its the chip inside the engine.  It makes sense since they messed up the catalog too (having 8093 in main title and 6072 in detail description), so someone did not do their quality control check, haha.

Not sure if its even reprogrammable or worth it to send it in.  I'll wait to hear back from Lionel or maybe they can respond on the forum  to let people know.

OK.  Just remember seeing that and thought it might be the issue.  Let us know what you find out.

Sorry if I am going highjack the thread .... but as it relates to the various apps I am curious as to which one to use.   I have the Lionel iCab app, but don't have the Lionel LioneChief app.  Is the LionChief app only for LionChief engines or for all Legacy engines, but only if they have blue tooth?  I have the MTH Wi-Fi app and love it.

Thanks,

John

MartyE posted:

SandJam posted:

Yup all my iOS devices update my apps automatically.  Last update for the Lion chief app was Nov 16th, so that lines up with your date.  Looks like its the chip inside the engine.  It makes sense since they messed up the catalog too (having 8093 in main title and 6072 in detail description), so someone did not do their quality control check, haha.

Not sure if its even reprogrammable or worth it to send it in.  I'll wait to hear back from Lionel or maybe they can respond on the forum  to let people know.

OK.  Just remember seeing that and thought it might be the issue.  Let us know what you find out.

Yup always appreciate all the troubleshooting tips.

Thanks!

jbmccormick posted:

Sorry if I am going highjack the thread .... but as it relates to the various apps I am curious as to which one to use.   I have the Lionel iCab app, but don't have the Lionel LioneChief app.  Is the LionChief app only for LionChief engines or for all Legacy engines, but only if they have blue tooth?  I have the MTH Wi-Fi app and love it.

Thanks,

John

The LionChief app will work with any Legacy engine that has Bluetooth and also the LionChief and LionChief plus engines.

It will not work with Legacy engines before they started putting Bluetooth in those.

Go to my video at the beginning of this thread and jump to the 13 minute mark to see the app control the legacy H10.

Sean, great review and really neat layout.

I noticed the gap between rear of cab and front of tender is a bit large, but I suppose Lionel had to make it that large to accommodate tighter curves. It would be awesome if they allowed an operator to close that gap on Legacy models.

Paul Kallus posted:

Sean, great review and really neat layout.

I noticed the gap between rear of cab and front of tender is a bit large, but I suppose Lionel had to make it that large to accommodate tighter curves. It would be awesome if they allowed an operator to close that gap on Legacy models.

 

Yes, I agree it is a little wider on these for some reason. 

But for the price and all the features packed into it, I can live with it!   

Maybe @Dave Olson could check in and comment.

Sean, thanks for the reply.  I downloaded the LionChief app.  I can't remember which of my Legacy engines are bluetooth, and which are not, but assume they just won't get recognized in the app if they are not.

John

jbmccormick posted:

Sean, thanks for the reply.  I downloaded the LionChief app.  I can't remember which of my Legacy engines are bluetooth, and which are not, but assume they just won't get recognized in the app if they are not.

John

Only the recent Legacy releases are Bluetooth starting with the Mikado Brass Hybrid.  Most if not all of the releases this year are Bluetooth.  Look for the BT logo on the packaging.

MartyE posted:

Lionel released an update to the Bluetooth app for the 2019 engines last week.  Try upgrading the app first through iTunes store or Android site.  The engine list apparently resides within the app.

I updated to the newest version but the AC6000 icon still did not appear.  I deleted the app and reloaded it and now the correct icon shows up.  Thanks.

Success! 

I deleted the app and reinstalled it and now the H10 shows up with H10 and correct road number!

Thank you JFC454 and Marty for your suggestions!  I think it was pretty smart of Lionel to use the app instead of hard coding it into the engines.  That way they can update it anytime.

Only issue is that my iOS device had already updated it to the latest version,  so it looks like you have to do an uninstall and reinstall of the app (maybe to clear cache data or something).

So no issues at all with my H10 now.

Thanks guys!

SandJam posted:

Success! 

I deleted the app and reinstalled it and now the H10 shows up with H10 and correct road number!

Thank you and Marty for your suggestions!  I think it was pretty smart of Lionel to use the app instead of hard coding it into the engines.  That way they can update it anytime.

Only issue is that my iOS device had already updated it to the latest version,  so it looks like you have to do an uninstall and reinstall of the app (maybe to clear cache data or something).

So no issues at all with my H10 now.

Thanks guys! 

 

That's great news.. The locomotive looks like a winner!  I was hoping you would try deleting after JFC454 posted the above! Wonder if a phone reboot would have done the same. 

Thanks Marty!!  Much appreciated.

Paul Kallus posted:

Sean, great review and really neat layout.

I noticed the gap between rear of cab and front of tender is a bit large, but I suppose Lionel had to make it that large to accommodate tighter curves. It would be awesome if they allowed an operator to close that gap on Legacy models.

 

Just watched the video.. H10 sounds great, smokes great, especially whistle smoke and the bell swings exactly the way I expected. I am sure it will run as good.. And the price is right...$580 out the door at my LHS.. Lionel even went above and beyond to get that tender deck painted In the correct color.

But, for all the extra care they took to get it right, they failed miserably with the boiler front,  silver instead of grey.. A noticeable error that sticks out worse then a pink hood on green car and made worse knowing they've painted hundreds of PRR engines correctly since 1970 .   Not sure who slept at the switch but I'm done messing around with LIONEL.. I should just cancel and walk away..

JC642 posted:

 Lionel even went above and beyond to get that tender deck painted In the correct color.

But, for all the extra care they took to get it right, they failed miserably with the boiler front,  silver instead of grey.. A noticeable error that sticks out worse then a pink hood on green car and made worse knowing they've painted hundreds of PRR engines correctly since 1970 .   

Precisely why I think the lighter red on the tender was a "fluke". I'm wondering if the E6 tenders and the H10 tenders were made by one builder and the locos another and the tender factory had a lighter red.

Even if its correct. Yes I know its documented. I've yet to see a photo of any Pennsy steamer, prototype or model, with two different color reds.

It just looks wrong, especially when its next to every other Lionel ( or Mth for that matter) Pennsy steamer.

The silver smokebox  just adds insult to injury. My collection spans 15 years. Every steamer I own has nearly the exact same shade of graphite for the smokebox.

 In either case it looks more like a case of....... "that'll do".

JFC454 posted:

I have one of the new Legacy AC6000.  In the Bluetooth app the engine is identified as "Lionel Diesel Locomotive" and the road number is listed as "1234"  Apparently what engine information is entered into the Cab2 has no influence on what the app displays.  

What is the sku of your loco? Did you try to uninstall the APP and then reinstall it?

SandJam posted:

Success! 

I deleted the app and reinstalled it and now the H10 shows up with H10 and correct road number!

 

Good to hear. We'll look into why you have to uninstall and reinstall for it to show the correct loco description.