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What do you guys think will be the differences between the 2011 version of 3751 and the one just announced in The 2019?

Do you see any notable worthwhile differences that would make the new one more valuable or worth having than the previous model?

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4014

It seems the side smoke and (obviously) the depleting Coal were dropped in order to represent the oil version and also make this one a non-VL version. I think the first run edition will be worth having, personally. If the mold is identical to the VL version I would love to find a way to get the parts and unit for side smoke and add it into the new release. If the same mother board and serial data are being used as the VL, it should be doable. I have been inside and repaired a dead mother board in a VL Big Boy and replacing the board was way easier than I could have imagined. While I had the hood off I studied that smoke unit positioning and with the right parts - it looks doable.

If by some chance it will have the side smoke effect well....great. Saves all that trouble. That’s my favorite effect on the Vision Line version that I didn’t see cataloged. I’m hoping they didn’t drop the dual individual puffing fan units for the main smoke  ~ that’s probably also tied as a favorite feature.

 

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from what is printed in the catalog no mention of blow down smoke but if you look at the catalogs photo it shows the blow down tubes are there. also no mention of dual smoke units. a word of caution to those purchasing this big boy when you get it remove gear covers on both front and back drive assemblies as the 2014 VL came dry as a bone from the factory. as to adding blow down I would think unless programmed for it when built it most likely will not be able to add the feature but I could be wrong maybe someone from lionel will chime in with possibly more as to what will and will not be included as features for this 2019 big boy release.

StPaul

thought I would share this with you all In ordering some items from lionel I asked about the 2019 big boy release in volume 2 catalog it will not be a vision line release strictly legacy version so blow down smoke will not be a feature.

also for those of us having the vl big boy from 2014 the pcb for dual smoke that included the smoke resisters and the temp resistor is no longer available even though the parts shows it is available but you have to contact lionel am sure they will update that soon as unavailable now.

StPaul

DdotCdot posted:
4014

It seems the side smoke and (obviously) the depleting Coal were dropped in order to represent the oil version and also make this one a non-VL version. I think the first run edition will be worth having, personally. If the mold is identical to the VL version I would love to find a way to get the parts and unit for side smoke and add it into the new release. If the same mother board and serial data are being used as the VL, it should be doable. I have been inside and repaired a dead mother board in a VL Big Boy and replacing the board was way easier than I could have imagined. While I had the hood off I studied that smoke unit positioning and with the right parts - it looks doable.

If by some chance it will have the side smoke effect well....great. Saves all that trouble. That’s my favorite effect on the Vision Line version that I didn’t see cataloged. I’m hoping they didn’t drop the dual individual puffing fan units for the main smoke  ~ that’s probably also tied as a favorite feature.

 

I'm guessing you'll be disappointed.  I think it has the standard Legacy smoke features, stack and whistle smoke.  As far as the board, clearly the RCMC will be programmed for the features available in the new BB, so you'd have to try to get the VL-BB board and see if that works in the new model.  My guess is it will not as they probably dropped the extra controller that does the blowdown and whistle smoke.  The RCMC handles two smoke units, so a single stack and whistle smoke eliminates a bunch of wiring and a board.

I think you need to resign yourself to what features the new model comes with.

your correct gunrunnerjohn as there is a separate board that controls the whistle smoke and blow down smoke units but then it might come with that board and have the place where the blow down would plug into it time will tell when these are delivered.

I am just mentioning this seems the price is a tad high for features you get not sure what the retailers are pricing them at I am only speaking of the full retail msrp.

StPaul

DdotCdot posted:

BUMMER. Well that answers that. 4014 order cancelled. 

Still interested in 3751. Anyone feel this one will have any advantages over the previous Legacy version (besides the obvious Bluetooth - which I don’t care about)?

BIG Bummer! I was also wanting a 4014, and was VERY disappointed to see that it is not a second release of the Visionline model... The whole reason I wanted it so badly was because of the multiple smoke effects...

SO I will not be ordering one, being as the MTH version will have the same effects for WAY less...  Also, it's $2200.00 retail, with only steaming whistle? Yet the new B&O EM-1 is only $1700 with a steaming whistle?  It's not a good deal by comparison...

It's interesting... It makes the 2014 VL Big Boy MORE collectable and valuable.... 

I think the 3751 is worth ordering, and personally I'd get it if I were you... I'm waiting on one of the new NYC Hudsons, and for $1500, they're a GREAT value...

StPaul posted:

your correct gunrunnerjohn as there is a separate board that controls the whistle smoke and blow down smoke units but then it might come with that board and have the place where the blow down would plug into it time will tell when these are delivered.

VERY difficult to imagine that Lionel will change the stuff and leave extra electronics in place.  In any case, I'm about 99.9% sure that the RCMC would NOT support the extra features as it will be tailored to the new locomotive capabilities.

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