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Just trying to provide a little constructive criticism here, not bashing Lionel.  I know the topic of colors being off has been discussed here in various places.  Many have complained about Lionel's colors being inconsistent.

But am I the only one who has noticed that Lionel's colors as of late have actually been consistent, just consistently too light?  From browns appearing red, to reds appearing pink, to greys appearing white, there seems to be a steady bent towards painting many items in substantially too light a shade.  For instance, the N&W J-class, the PRR E8s, the NYC E8s, the WM SD40s, the recent run of reefers, and more.  I can't recall any instances recently where the problem was that a color was too dark.

Does someone need to adjust the lighting in the paint-matching room over at the factory?  Or the color setting of the scanner Lionel is using to send the manufacturer the color samples?  I think Lionel should take a closer look at the process by which they obtain a color sample, scan it in, send it to the manufacturer, and then the process that the manufacturer uses to match and apply paint to match the sample.

Being off in general is one thing, but being consistently off in one direction tends to suggest something that could be corrected relatively easily.

Just my thoughts.

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I am not sure - as you assume - that Lionel actually scan paint samples to provide to the manufacturer. I have seen a couple of Lionel paint scheme specs provided by a dealer doing custom runs. From memory these included standard Pantone color designations. But the actual execution of these is variable - and paint matching is a little like being a brewmaster, a dash of this and a pinch of that to get to a particular result.

I also think, although I don’t know for a fact, that to produce ‘fantasy” scheme products Lionel/their suppliers must rely on computer assisted design, which will not necessarily be consistent with past products depending on what info the design system is fed to process.

And yes, I also think the colors have varied over the years and currently are lighter/have less depth than in the past. My main concern at the moment is whether the forthcoming run of GS VL steamers in Daylight livery will be close to the the Daylight schemes Lionel has most recently produced. Daylight color accuracy is a sore point for many people; I am just hoping for a match with my AC-12 cab forward. I’ve seen the latest Daylight AWT and it looks pretty close.

But am I the only one who has noticed that Lionel's colors as of late have actually been consistent, just consistently too light?  From browns appearing red, to reds appearing pink, to greys appearing white, there seems to be a steady bent towards painting many items in substantially too light a shade.  For instance, the N&W J-class, the PRR E8s, the NYC E8s, the WM SD40s, the recent run of reefers, and more.  I can't recall any instances recently where the problem was that a color was too dark.



No, I agree 100% ,and lets not forget about the neon yellows and ......oranges:

( Why can't they reference previous "correctly painted" runs for paint colors?)

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I am not sure - as you assume - that Lionel actually scan paint samples to provide to the manufacturer. I have seen a couple of Lionel paint scheme specs provided by a dealer doing custom runs. From memory these included standard Pantone color designations. But the actual execution of these is variable - and paint matching is a little like being a brewmaster, a dash of this and a pinch of that to get to a particular result.

I also think, although I don’t know for a fact, that to produce ‘fantasy” scheme products Lionel/their suppliers must rely on computer assisted design, which will not necessarily be consistent with past products depending on what info the design system is fed to process.

And yes, I also think the colors have varied over the years and currently are lighter/have less depth than in the past. My main concern at the moment is whether the forthcoming run of GS VL steamers in Daylight livery will be close to the the Daylight schemes Lionel has most recently produced. Daylight color accuracy is a sore point for many people; I am just hoping for a match with my AC-12 cab forward. I’ve seen the latest Daylight AWT and it looks pretty close.

Interesting you mention the GS.  I have the 2016 run of the 4449 and it matches the 2005 aluminum Daylight coaches I also have acceptably well to my eye.  While I'd love to have the vision features, I've held off trading mine in for the new because of fears the paint won't match.  Will have to see it in person, first.

Will probably just stick with mine, though.  I'm totally happy with it and it has whistle steam, which the new one will not.

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