Well... I just ordered my set.. love that you get free cars in it! And ordered a set of UP and a set of CP cars...
Will have to dream about that PRR engine and cars for later...
Thanks Lionel for a fantastic 150th celebration! Now going back to rewatching 4014 videos!!!!
" love that you get free cars in it! "
Didn't see that offer. Details?
"Does anyone know if the legacy system on these includes the IR sensor?"
Ryan says "yes" in his presentation.
I think that Lionel is doing a great job trying to duplicate some historic railroad equipment but it is well before the period that I model. The Amoskeag factory in Manchester, NH produced many 4-4-0's right into the 19th century and they kept getting larger so that there were more than a few of them purchased by the Boston & Maine Railroad and its predecessors and competitors. That later size may be something of interest to me.
Landsteiner posted:" love that you get free cars in it! "
Didn't see that offer. Details?
See the Lionelstore.com website. Two free passenger cars. Really looks attractive.
Landsteiner posted:"Does anyone know if the legacy system on these includes the IR sensor?"
Ryan says "yes" in his presentation.
No mention of legacy, just tmcc with wireless tether.
I'll clear up the technical/features:
The separately sold passenger car that is equipped with sounds will include the following:
Hope this answers any lingering questions.
Dave
Great! Thanks Dave! Excited that we get sounds!
Landsteiner posted:" love that you get free cars in it! "
Didn't see that offer. Details?
The pre order set at lionel store comes with both engines and a two pack of cars for a penny. I viewed it as kinda an incentive to order this limited to 150 pieces set!
For those who like the idea, but not the price, you can get sounds and command control in a LionChief version of the Promontory locomotives with universal remote for under $500. Obviously not scale, not brass or diecast. Not as much detail. This is the O gauge equivalent of the Bachmann HO set, with a less favorable retail discount structure, I'd guess.
Am I correct that for the set with two passenger cars at $2199 they expect full payment now for a product not to be delivered until 2020? Not terribly comfortable with that concept, so I think if I spring for this set, I'll go through a dealer and pay for the passenger cars when they arrive.
Landsteiner posted:Am I correct that for the set with two passenger cars at $2199 they expect full payment now for a product not to be delivered until 2020? Not terribly comfortable with that concept, so I think if I spring for this set, I'll go through a dealer and pay for the passenger cars when they arrive.
In my mind, I'm thinking that my credit card would be charged upon shipment; not to be charged now.
That's a good question that may have to wait until Monday and a call to Lionel. 
Sad indeed that these new 4-4-0's have no smoke, no engine sounds, no steam whistle, no bell, no voice and are way over priced at $2200 for the pair. What is inside the tender? Providing "something" in a trailing car reminds me of the Railsounds box car from yesteryear, not acceptable in today's expected techno world. Also, where is the history of this occasion? Much of it belongs in the engines. Also it should have been provided in depth with the introduction of the product.
Lionel should rethink this product.
Bob R posted:Sad indeed that these new 4-4-0's have no smoke, no engine sounds, no steam whistle, no bell, no voice and are way over priced at $2200 for the pair. What is inside the tender? Providing "something" in a trailing car reminds me of the Railsounds box car from yesteryear, not acceptable in today's expected techno world. Also, where is the history of this occasion? Much of it belongs in the engines. Also it should have been provided in depth with the introduction of the product.
Lionel should rethink this product.
My sentiments exactly.
I agree with BOB also. I wonder who came up with that idea.
pingal70 posted:Don't really understand. If sound can be put into an HO or even an N scale loco, why not here?
Quality expectations. Larger speakers larger drvers, etc. are used and that gives O better sound reproduction capability; louder and with a much lower htz range than smaller gauges can hope to have.
These models are almost as small as HO gauge locos and no doubt have much larger motors than the HO models, so these may be a combination of reasons for the lack of space in the loco. Existing boards in use for sound and command control are designed for much larger locos, and would require costly redesign is another guess. May be totally wrong, but these seem possibilities.
Little overpriced, I will wait for the 300th Anniversary Set.
Chris S.
Landsteiner posted:Am I correct that for the set with two passenger cars at $2199 they expect full payment now for a product not to be delivered until 2020? Not terribly comfortable with that concept, so I think if I spring for this set, I'll go through a dealer and pay for the passenger cars when they arrive.
The charge is made when the sets ship in 2020...
Thanks. That’s better.😀
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