Lionel's Big Announcement 5/10 - 150 Years in the Making

Dave Olson posted:

I'll clear up the technical/features:

• Locomotive has motor and headlight LED.
• Tender has the Legacy electronics. This includes the BEMC, radio board, and track IR.
  • Using the BEMC means the engine will not be speed tuned to be able to lash-up with other types of Legacy locos, but two of these 4-4-0s can be lashed-up. Using the BEMC also means these have DCC capabilities as well as conventional operation.
  • Legacy means 200 speed steps, track IR, lighting features, and more.
  • RUN/PGM switch under toolbox detail

 

The separately sold passenger car that is equipped with sounds will include the following:

• RSL3 - Legacy RailSounds. Quilling whistle!
• RUN/PGM switch and volume pot
  • For best operation, the loco and sound car will be programmed as the same TMCC ID number
• 40mm speaker standard in our Legacy engines. While it's not possible to fit the sounds in the engine/tender, using the sound car allows us to fit in the electronics/speaker that makes Legacy RailSounds better than any other system available.

 

Hope this answers any lingering questions.

Dave

 

Will the Lionel Store Exclusive set come in a special box, or will it just be the 2 engines and cars in their own boxes like the non BTO ones?

Craignor posted:

I bet Mike and Andy are working on new scale 4-4-0’s right now that will have smoke, whistle steam, and sounds, for less money...and you will see them in the next catalog.

Since they have DCS for HO, not to mention smoke and sound, they may be better positioned with the right sized electronics package to do a scale model of the 4-4-0.

Landsteiner posted:

If you want a three rail O gauge scale loco of these two locos, or one of them, you will likely be buying Lionel products.  

That would be my guess as well, but it's just a guess. Get an order in with your favorite dealer now or just wait until after release when one hits the secondary market. And, of course, there's always the possibility that your dealer may order one or more "extras" if he or she is willing to take a chance. Probably would not be a bad idea.

gunrunnerjohn posted:

Craignor posted:

I bet Mike and Andy are working on new scale 4-4-0’s right now that will have smoke, whistle steam, and sounds, for less money...and you will see them in the next catalog.

Since they have DCS for HO, not to mention smoke and sound, they may be better positioned with the right sized electronics package to do a scale model of the 4-4-0.

Wishful thinking.  If MTH started today, by the time the locomotives go through the product development cycle and scheduling, the market passions for a true 1/4" scale Promontory set will have passed and will have likely been satisfied by Lionel's hybrids.

Rusty

Probably true, but they could make them.

Rusty Traque posted:

gunrunnerjohn posted:

Craignor posted:

I bet Mike and Andy are working on new scale 4-4-0’s right now that will have smoke, whistle steam, and sounds, for less money...and you will see them in the next catalog.

Since they have DCS for HO, not to mention smoke and sound, they may be better positioned with the right sized electronics package to do a scale model of the 4-4-0.

Wishful thinking.  If MTH started today, by the time the locomotives go through the product development cycle and scheduling, the market passions for a true 1/4" scale Promontory set will have passed and will have likely been satisfied by Lionel's hybrids.

Rusty

I would think it would be tough getting to reasonable numbers.  The number of buyers has been diluted with the Hybrids and I think the 4-4-0 locomotives are more into a niche market.  Looking at the total numbers for manufacture, the market is not that large.  After all, I would think 150 of the special 2 piece set on the store website would be a brisk seller.  It will be interesting to see how fast they sell.

I purchased the 2 car set.  Wont be here until 2020.  I don't think there is enough market for both.  Maybe MTH can make something with the same splash.  No thuds allowed,

Landsteiner posted:

Andy, in his Notch6 podcast on the last catalog said that the shrinking market did not justify MTH making much if any new tooling.

That right there is ominous sounding for my 3-rail friends.

Andre

May have missed it, are the passenger cars brass or plastic ?

laming posted:

Landsteiner posted:

Andy, in his Notch6 podcast on the last catalog said that the shrinking market did not justify MTH making much if any new tooling.

That right there is ominous sounding for my 3-rail friends.

Andre

The sky has supposedly been falling on the 3 rail O scale hobby for almost 20 years....yet here we are, with enough people to support Lionel, MTH, and a host of other manufacturers.

Also, think about how much more tooling both Lionel and MTH have now.....compared to what Lionel had as recently as 1990. 

In respectful memory of an old Member who sadly passed away, we're not quite dead yet.

MTH has actually been making 19th century locos for years, including 4-4-0’s with sound and smoke, yeah:

http://mthtrains.com/20-3595-1

I might be a buyer if they would lose the “wireless tether”

 I think that Lionel has offered something nice for the golden spike anniversary, Now lets see if they will do a run of the vision bigboy 4014 with oil tender they have the parts just change the coal tender with the oil fired one from the FEF I still think people would buy it. I know I would

Well, since I'm going to my LTS this weekend, I'll chat with them about these and see what they think. Hopefully they got the press release as sometimes we find out more by rumors than they get in normal communications that should be going through.

Landsteiner posted:

Andy, in his Notch6 podcast on the last catalog said that the shrinking market did not justify MTH making much if any new tooling.  This plus the timing suggests that MTH isn't making a scale 4-4-0 for the Promontory anniversary to me.  They are much too savvy marketers to announce this project in the Oct 2019 catalog when the event was in May 2019. If you want a three rail O gauge scale loco of these two locos, or one of them, you will likely be buying Lionel products.  

Actually, I am surprised that Lionel didn’t think far enough ahead to have its offering available now when interest is at its highest. I can understand to some degree the new hybrid line since it is all special order, but the traditional 150th stuff (introduced in the Vol. 1 2019 catalog)  should be in hobby shops right now, not late in the year. 

Dave Warburton posted:

Landsteiner posted:

Andy, in his Notch6 podcast on the last catalog said that the shrinking market did not justify MTH making much if any new tooling.  This plus the timing suggests that MTH isn't making a scale 4-4-0 for the Promontory anniversary to me.  They are much too savvy marketers to announce this project in the Oct 2019 catalog when the event was in May 2019. If you want a three rail O gauge scale loco of these two locos, or one of them, you will likely be buying Lionel products.  

Actually, I am surprised that Lionel didn’t think far enough ahead to have its offering available now when interest is at its highest. I can understand to some degree the new hybrid line since it is all special order, but the traditional 150th stuff (introduced in the Vol. 1 2019 catalog)  should be in hobby shops right now, not late in the year. 

I thought the same thing. Lionel cant even show a photo of the loco or a car, just sketches.

I would really like to see Lionel do the Big Boy and the Living Legend..I bet Dave could add some great smoke features

Berkshire President posted:

The sky has supposedly been falling on the 3 rail O scale hobby for almost 20 years....yet here we are, with enough people to support Lionel, MTH, and a host of other manufacturers.

Also, think about how much more tooling both Lionel and MTH have now.....compared to what Lionel had as recently as 1990. 

In respectful memory of an old Member who sadly passed away, we're not quite dead yet.

To clarify:

I have no doubt that 3-rail will survive for the foreseeable future. That was not my lament.

My lament is for what may be lack of newly tooled content (in this case from MTH) in view of those that participate in 3-rail. New product(s) add(s) excitement to the hobby and helps to invigorate the hobby.  That will be lacking, from MTH, anyway.

Keep in mind also that this is not a concern for me (I'm in HO), but my 3-rail friends that are here.

Andre

So thinking about these 4-4-0's got me overly enthusiastic about the out of scale General type locos.   I've had the LCCA Civil War set of locos, and I've ordered the Jupiter and CP119 with LionChief now, and, in a fit of total overkill will probably order the CP119 scale loco and the two CP passenger cars that go with it.

Question for those more knowledgeable.  What freight or passenger cars that have been made over the years would you run with the LCCA Civil War set of the Texas and the General, and with the out of scale Jupiter and CP119?  I know Lionel has made many freight and passenger cars over the last 70 years or so.  They've got a set, still available,  the Five Star General from 2017.  I suppose I could get that for the rolling stock (horse and two passenger cars).  What has MTH or K-Line or 3rd Rail done in the way of toy rolling stock, if anything?

Landsteiner posted:

So thinking about these 4-4-0's got me overly enthusiastic about the out of scale General type locos.   I've had the LCCA Civil War set of locos, and I've ordered the Jupiter and CP119 with LionChief now, and, in a fit of total overkill will probably order the CP119 scale loco and the two CP passenger cars that go with it.

Question for those more knowledgeable.  What freight or passenger cars that have been made over the years would you run with the LCCA Civil War set of the Texas and the General, and with the out of scale Jupiter and CP119?  I know Lionel has made many freight and passenger cars over the last 70 years or so.  They've got a set, still available,  the Five Star General from 2017.  I suppose I could get that for the rolling stock (horse and two passenger cars).  What has MTH or K-Line or 3rd Rail done in the way of toy rolling stock, if anything?

I'm pretty sure (was reviewing the MTH 2019 V2 catalog today when placing a pre-order) MTH has cataloged a set of Overton Passenger cars meant to go with each of their Railking CP119 and Jupiter offerings (there was one each for CP, UP, and also the Long Island Engine they had on the same page).

-Dave

Landsteiner posted:

What has MTH or K-Line or 3rd Rail done in the way of toy rolling stock, if anything?

MTH has done a series of late 1800's freight cars in RailKing over the years, also slightly oversized.

Rusty

Craignor posted:

MTH has actually been making 19th century locos for years, including 4-4-0’s with sound and smoke, yeah:

http://mthtrains.com/20-3595-1

I might be a buyer if they would lose the “wireless tether”

There was a lot of progress in locomotive production during the 19th century, so what you're showing is not the same as what Lionel is producing....  The 4-4-0's you're showing are far larger than the 1860's 4-4-0's that were present at Promontory and about 30 years newer.