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@GVDobler posted:

Why does Lionel not list things like car names and Kadee pads? I would think these would be selling points.

I thought about that too. Near as I can figure, maybe they haven't looked at them thoroughly, but you would think that would have already been known before and or during them purchasing them. So, no idea why they wouldn't list it.


2227030 looks to be #62 Gobblers Knob and #59 Grasshopper Level(1990's)
2227040 looks to be #72 Mill Creek and #70 Cherry Crest(1990's).
2227050 looks to be #62 Gobblers Knob and #59 Grasshopper Level again, different art(2000's)?
2227060 looks to be #72 Mill Creek and #70 Cherry Crest again(2000's)
2227170 looks to be #60 Eshelman Run(was this renamed to Donald E. L. Hallock) and #96 William McFarlan(1990's).
2227180 looks to be #60 Donald E. L. Hallock and #96 William McFarlan(2000's).
If you want to order all the cars you can, just figured I would point this out to anyone who didn't know that is going to get the cars.
Strasburg coaches

I am confused. I decided I was going to take a chance and order one set of these cars. I assume I am reading your post correctly Dave and that what you mean by (1990's) and (2000's) is that these are the correct paint schemes for those eras. I want the Cherry Crest car from the 2000's so I went to the website of Charles Ro (since he has the best price) and I searched for #2227060. What comes up is a picture of 2 cars but one car says "Mill Creek" and the other car says "Grasshopper Level" not "Cherry Crest". I don't understand this and after the last pre-order fiasco I had with my MTH steam engine (it was my mistake) I want to be perfectly, 100%, positive I am ordering exactly what I want. These two cars do have the correct paint scheme as the prototype cars have today which is what I want. Dave, I see that you wrote "looks to be" in your description what did you mean by that? And any idea why Charles Ro has a different car than what you wrote above? Just to explain I am not criticizing in any way but just trying to understand what is what.

I just tried Mr.Muffins Trains to see if it was the same and it was the same thing there. I have to assume that the "Cherry Crest" car is not being produced in the 2000's paint scheme so it looks I will not be ordering a set of cars. Hopefully someday Lionel will do the "Cherry Crest" car in the 2000's paint scheme. Although I do like the "Mill Creek" car so I will think it over. Maybe I will still order. It's a tough decision.

Dave, how were you able to get in touch in with Ryan? I would like to ask about the coupler pads.

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@Hudson J1e posted:

I am confused. I decided I was going to take a chance and order one set of these cars. I assume I am reading your post correctly Dave and that what you mean by (1990's) and (2000's) is that these are the correct paint schemes for those eras. I want the Cherry Crest car from the 2000's so I went to the website of Charles Ro (since he has the best price) and I searched for #2227060. What comes up is a picture of 2 cars but one car says "Mill Creek" and the other car says "Grasshopper Level" not "Cherry Crest". I don't understand this and after the last pre-order fiasco I had with my MTH steam engine (it was my mistake) I want to be perfectly, 100%, positive I am ordering exactly what I want. These two cars do have the correct paint scheme as the prototype cars have today which is what I want. Dave, I see that you wrote "looks to be" in your description what did you mean by that? And any idea why Charles Ro has a different car than what you wrote above? Just to explain I am not criticizing in any way but just trying to understand what is what.

I just tried Mr.Muffins Trains to see if it was the same and it was the same thing there. I have to assume that the "Cherry Crest" car is not being produced in the 2000's paint scheme so it looks I will not be ordering a set of cars. Hopefully someday Lionel will do the "Cherry Crest" car in the 2000's paint scheme. Although I do like the "Mill Creek" car so I will think it over. Maybe I will still order. It's a tough decision.

Dave, how were you able to get in touch in with Ryan? I would like to ask about the coupler pads.

Just emailed you with his email address Phil. I believe that the picture on the website is wrong, which I did point out to him. Guess they didn't fix it. Either way, contact him on that.

@Conrail6358 and @Dave Olson, could you comment on here about the questions that have been asked?

Having missed out on the MTH sets, I was thinking of getting the 1990's scheme.  I presume it includes these sets:

2227030 looks to be #62 Gobblers Knob and #59 Grasshopper Level(1990's)
2227040 looks to be #72 Mill Creek and #70 Cherry Crest(1990's).
2227170 looks to be #60 Eshelman Run(was this renamed to Donald E. L. Hallock) and #96 William McFarlan(1990's).
I have to decide if I should spend that kind of money, or just keep hunting for an MTH set.

Having missed out on the MTH sets, I was thinking of getting the 1990's scheme.  I presume it includes these sets:

2227030 looks to be #62 Gobblers Knob and #59 Grasshopper Level(1990's)
2227040 looks to be #72 Mill Creek and #70 Cherry Crest(1990's).
2227170 looks to be #60 Eshelman Run(was this renamed to Donald E. L. Hallock) and #96 William McFarlan(1990's).
I have to decide if I should spend that kind of money, or just keep hunting for an MTH set.

Well Frank, whatever you decide should be good, as long as you can find what you are looking for. The stuff you listed is from my post above, which should be the correct names. When I emailed Ryan all that while ago, I had the Strasburg roster PDF in front of me. That was why my questions about the names raised my eyebrows. I hadn't taken into account that they were the same exact cars with just a name change on one I think, but the design art changing. That was what I wanted Ryan to clear up for me.

I really do wish he or Dave would chime in here as I have tagged them twice. Yeah, I understand work can be busy, but this should be something that I would think they would reply to. I don't like pestering them if I don't have to, as I know they are busy answering other people's questions and concerns. I do know that if I have emailed either of them, they usually respond in a day or two(sometimes less), but really depends on what they have ahead of them.

Good luck in your MTH search.

Hey guys, I just heard back from Ryan literally about 10 minutes ago. I will post what I said to him and his responses in italic.

Dear Ryan,

Hi, how are you doing? I am considering purchasing a set of the Lionel Strasburg Passenger cars Part number 2227060 but I have a few questions:  #1) Since they are MTH Tooling will they still have the Kadee coupler mounting pad?

#2) Again since they are MTH tooling will they accept the MTH 2 rail trucks that were designed for these cars when MTH sold them?



Phil, Yes, these will have the Kadee pads and we haven’t made any changes to the trucks so the MTH 2 rail replacements should work just fine.



#3) On the part #2227060 the catalog says "car #70 & #72". Car #70 is the "Cherry Crest" car and car #72 is the "Mill Creek". The question is in all the pictures on several websites that are selling these cars the picture shows "Mill Creek" and "Grasshopper Level". Can you confirm that it is indeed the "Cherry Quest" car that will come in this set? Thank you very much.



Cherry Crest is the correct roadname and I just confirmed that on the production art. Thank you,

Ryan



Sorry about the large type. That happened when I copied the email over to here. I tried to get it smaller but I could not figure out how to do it. I got a lot to do today so I can't spend all day on this. Anyway, I will be placing my order tomorrow morning. I am very happy that Dave was correct in regards to the "Cherry Crest" car. That car is a must have since I highly doubt I will ever see the MTH cars up for sale. Thanks for starting this thread Dave or I would not have known about this.

@Hudson J1e posted:

Hey guys, I just heard back from Ryan literally about 10 minutes ago. I will post what I said to him and his responses in italic.

Dear Ryan,

Hi, how are you doing? I am considering purchasing a set of the Lionel Strasburg Passenger cars Part number 2227060 but I have a few questions: #1) Since they are MTH Tooling will they still have the Kadee coupler mounting pad?

#2) Again since they are MTH tooling will they accept the MTH 2 rail trucks that were designed for these cars when MTH sold them?



Phil, Yes, these will have the Kadee pads and we haven’t made any changes to the trucks so the MTH 2 rail replacements should work just fine.



#3) On the part #2227060 the catalog says "car #70 & #72". Car #70 is the "Cherry Crest" car and car #72 is the "Mill Creek". The question is in all the pictures on several websites that are selling these cars the picture shows "Mill Creek" and "Grasshopper Level". Can you confirm that it is indeed the "Cherry Quest" car that will come in this set? Thank you very much.



Cherry Crest is the correct roadname and I just confirmed that on the production art. Thank you,

Ryan



Sorry about the large type. That happened when I copied the email over to here. I tried to get it smaller but I could not figure out how to do it. I got a lot to do today so I can't spend all day on this. Anyway, I will be placing my order tomorrow morning. I am very happy that Dave was correct in regards to the "Cherry Crest" car. That car is a must have since I highly doubt I will ever see the MTH cars up for sale. Thanks for starting this thread Dave or I would not have known about this.

Well, that's great Phil. Good straight forward questions and good answers. Still, don't know why they didn't have that part about the Kadee's in the catalog. I would have thought that would have been something that they should have listed since it is another selling point to buyers. Having optional selling features is always a plus. I know how engines can have a bunch of stuff that people don't care for, but when it comes to rolling stock, options or other features are usually a plus(unless it's thumbtack uncouplers).

I happen to take a bit of time last night studying the coaches very thoroughly and even contacted Ryan to get some more information on these particular set of coaches. I know that when I look at a new catalog I tend to try and see as much as I can, usually I look for build dates on cars because of what year I want to model in, but these I wanted to see the coach numbers.

I did a bunch of small research both on Lionel Dot Com, the catalog(online), and Strasburg's roster to see what cars were in fact being made. Well, the coaches are the same, that is I mean the 1990's and 2000's are the same set of coaches. Ryan confirmed this to me last night, as I didn't know that ahead of time, maybe some already knew, I don't know, just trying to put that out there in case someone doesn't want to order the same thing twice, so to speak.

Below is the list of product numbers, number of the cars, and names of the cars. You will note that the only difference other than the artwork change on the side of the cars(if you can see it clear enough), is that car #60 got it's name changed. All the rest of the cars are the same cars.

2227030 looks to be #62 Gobblers Knob and #59 Grasshopper Level(1990's)
2227040 looks to be #72 Mill Creek and #70 Cherry Crest(1990's).
2227050 looks to be #62 Gobblers Knob and #59 Grasshopper Level again, different art(2000's)?
2227060 looks to be #72 Mill Creek and #70 Cherry Crest again(2000's)
2227170 looks to be #60 Eshelman Run(was this renamed to Donald E. L. Hallock) and #96 William McFarlan(1990's).
2227180 looks to be #60 Donald E. L. Hallock and #96 William McFarlan(2000's).
If you want to order all the cars you can, just figured I would point this out to anyone who didn't know that is going to get the cars.
Strasburg coaches

@Dave NYC Hundson PRR K4

Hi Dave      I guess I am a little late responding to your thread, but I just stumbled across it this morning. I wanted to ask you about these Strasburg cars since you seem very knowledgeable about them. I am extremely interested in the 2227050, 2227060, and 2227180 (the 2000's style car sets). I pre-ordered them last week.

I see that they appear in the 2021 Lionel Volume II Catalog, of which I do have a copy. While these are a 2021 Volume II Catalog option, I have not seen any of them yet in the stores. Have you? On all of the major train venders' websites, we can only pre-order them. Even though these are technically 2021 items, have they not come out yet? I have paged through the entire 2022 Catalog, and they do not appear in it. On the pre-order webpages, it says they are expected this summer - in June or July.

Can I assume that Lionel is just delayed in producing them? I am trying to understand what is going on. I felt better once I was able to preorder them. I know a lot of people will pre-order them and there will be more than enough orders to warrant their production, but when the 2022 Catalog came out and I didn't see them I got concerned.

Thanks, Robert

Robert, not speaking for Dave, but I can tell you that these cars did not come out yet. I did place an order for a two pack of them with a major dealer. I would have received a notice that they were in and to pay for them if they had reached the store by now. I don't know the Lionel shipping schedule but usually an item is not automatically due out before the next catalog comes out. The manufacturer in Asia may have other companies items or other items from Lionel to run first before they get to these cars so there really is no way to predict exactly when they will ship to the US and then to dealers. I would try to look up the Lionel shipping schedule if they have one. I don't worry about it. I figure they will get here when they get here but since you placed a pre-order then you should be guaranteed to get what you ordered.

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@Hudson J1e posted:

Robert, not speaking for Dave, but I can tell you that these cars did not come out yet. I did place an order for a two pack of them with a major dealer. I would have received a notice that they were in and to pay for them if they had reached the store by now. I don't know the Lionel shipping schedule but usually an item is not automatically due out before the next catalog comes out. The manufacturer in Asia may have other companies items or other items from Lionel to run first before they get to these cars so there really is no way to predict exactly when they will ship to the US and then to dealers. I would try to look up the Lionel shipping schedule if they have one. I don't worry about it. I figure they will get here when they get here but since you placed a pre-order then you should be guaranteed to get what you ordered.

Phil - I was thinking the same thing. In my mind, the fact that they have not come out yet is great news because that means they will be coming out in the near future. (I say this because typically, once something has already come out and been sold, it becomes very difficult to find anymore if they discontinue it unless someone decides to part with it on eBay.) Good deal. I look forward to their arrival then. Thanks for responding. Helps me to realize that I was not mistaken.

@DILLI posted:

@Dave NYC Hundson PRR K4

Hi Dave      I guess I am a little late responding to your thread, but I just stumbled across it this morning. I wanted to ask you about these Strasburg cars since you seem very knowledgeable about them. I am extremely interested in the 2227050, 2227060, and 2227180 (the 2000's style car sets). I pre-ordered them last week.

I see that they appear in the 2021 Lionel Volume II Catalog, of which I do have a copy. While these are a 2021 Volume II Catalog option, I have not seen any of them yet in the stores. Have you? On all of the major train venders' websites, we can only pre-order them. Even though these are technically 2021 items, have they not come out yet? I have paged through the entire 2022 Catalog, and they do not appear in it. On the pre-order webpages, it says they are expected this summer - in June or July.

Can I assume that Lionel is just delayed in producing them? I am trying to understand what is going on. I felt better once I was able to preorder them. I know a lot of people will pre-order them and there will be more than enough orders to warrant their production, but when the 2022 Catalog came out and I didn't see them I got concerned.

Thanks, Robert

Yeah, they have not come in yet. My buddy Jimmy(who is not a train guy but knows I'm a train but) was asking me about this yesterday(that is how ordering works). I told him that usually the way it works is the catalog comes out, and the orders are collected about a month and a half later. It takes about 7-10 months for production depending on what all else is going on. I'd expect that it is possible that we should see some things from that catalog around July/August. Not sure where these cars will fall into, but typically some stuff comes in at the mid part of June.

Just an FYI, it is my understanding that presently when an item is listed in a Lionel catalog the first two digits of the item number indicates when it is planned for manufacture.  So, even though the cars were first listed in a 2021 catalog, the 22xxxxx item number means they should be available sometime in 2022.

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