Hobby town has the tubing. Picked up a package of Tygon Tubing 3' 1/8" id for about $6.00. Looked for elbows but no luck. They have the tubing behind the counter you can buy by the foot also.
I found the Tygon a bit stiff for bending, but the Silicone is a bit squishy...so the elbow would be great!
Also the smoke unit pump has a little bit large mounting screw holes. So loosening the screws and pushing it forward can get you another 1/32 inch of clearance.
Ah good to know about moving the pump a bit.
I'm sorry to say the detailed descriptions of issues here caused me to decide to return mine for a store credit at my LHS. I didn't get as far as trying it with fluid or doing the mod adding the silicone hose. It just didn't seem worth the hassle to me. After waiting 4+ years for this, I'm a bit disappointed.
I wish everyone who keeps theirs lots of luck with it. I'll have to survive with just the original TAS unit I had from years ago.
-Dave
you might be able to use some drip type sprinkler fittings, they may make a 90 degree, or maybe an auto vacuum fitting, some of those smog fittings are small.
I don't have this accessory, but have been following this thread with interest.
For the 90 degree elbow I found:
http://www.pneumadyne.com/elbo...OjQ6ImdyaWQiO2k6MDt9
Oman posted:I don't have this accessory, but have been following this thread with interest.
For the 90 degree elbow I found:
http://www.pneumadyne.com/elbo...OjQ6ImdyaWQiO2k6MDt9
I've used their equipment, good stuff. Bimba(pneumadyne) makes some tiny little actuation cylinders too.
Seems a bit hasty to wait so long, and give up over an evening upgrade. But then again, you do have one already.
Fixing things like this, especially new, can be frustrating sure, but normally gives me greater piece of mind in the long run. I guess its because I like to" know my machine". Not for everyone, fun to me.
I'll be posting a photo on how my original was done. I'll be applying it to the new unit for those who want to make it bullet proof. It involves 5/32 ID silicon hose and a transition barb. However the simple fix works well.
Ernie
Dave45681 posted:I'm sorry to say the detailed descriptions of issues here caused me to decide to return mine for a store credit at my LHS. I didn't get as far as trying it with fluid or doing the mod adding the silicone hose. It just didn't seem worth the hassle to me. After waiting 4+ years for this, I'm a bit disappointed.
I wish everyone who keeps theirs lots of luck with it. I'll have to survive with just the original TAS unit I had from years ago.
-Dave
Yes, another case of the name goes on before the quality goes in.
I'm more if a work on it rather than use it person. So Lionel's working to my advantage.
cjack posted:I'm more if a work on it rather than use it person. So Lionel's working to my advantage.
I'm fine with tinkering once I've run something a bit if it needs maintenance due to wear. I've just reached the point where I'm not OK with it when something right out of the box needs a retrofit in order to not fail what I would consider a major requirement (not leaking fluid in this case).
It sure sounds like if the retrofit is not done, the question becomes when, not if the unit would leak. I realize bad news travels faster than good, so maybe there are some satisfied users out there who will never experience an issue if they use the unit as delivered. The above discussion makes it seem like it's highly recommended to do the upgrade, however.
We all have our own expectations and levels of what we are willing to accept on new items. Unfortunately I reached my threshold on this item.
-Dave
You aren't wrong 
Having two would have been cool that's all.
Even PW wasn't without its issues. So many tweaks and tricks on early runs we discuss them every day. Factoring in command, about where I'd expect price wise (would have liked to see a corded control lol 
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Bill Schmeelk posted:I wouldn't blame the designer. I think the design is actually quite good. I would put the blame on a poor execution of the design. Generally it is well executed, but the missing screw holes and poor connection to the pump are not the designer's fault.
这种产品很烂 This is the only way to put it!
shawn posted:Bill Schmeelk posted:I wouldn't blame the designer. I think the design is actually quite good. I would put the blame on a poor execution of the design. Generally it is well executed, but the missing screw holes and poor connection to the pump are not the designer's fault.
这种产品很烂 This is the only way to put it!
Thanks Bill, I had no input to the final design or production.
Ernie
This is the way my Prototype was done. The 5/32 ID hose ran from the pump directly to the boom. the feed hose had a reduction barb that went from 5/32 to 1/8. A small tyrap was used to lightly anchor the hose to the boom. this made it pretty much bullet proof. If any of you decide to retro your unit in this way make sure you route the 5/32 hose as shown in the photo.
Ernie
PS ignore the piece of wood and the hose looks bigger than it really is in the photo.
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Did you use a tyrap at the pump also?
I decided to switch to 1/8 inch ID hose of couplers about 3 or 4 inches long. It fits really tight on the pump and I push about an inch of the original silicone hose into it on the other end. So it's really satisfyingly tight as to fluid. However, the 90 degree bend collapses pretty much at the rear wall of the house. But, fluid flows readily thru it. The bends push strongly on the wall.
The limiting factor with all these solutions is the bend at the wall. If the wall were one inch farther out, all the bend issues would go away. I need to fashion an addition of a tool box to the back of the wall. Lionel could sell those as an accessory for $25 each 
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cjack posted:I decided to switch to 1/8 inch ID hose of couplers about 3 or 4 inches long. It fits really tight on the pump and I push about an inch of the original silicone hose into it on the other end. So it's really satisfyingly tight as to fluid. However, the 90 degree bend collapses pretty much at the rear wall of the house. But, fluid flows readily thru it. The bends push strongly on the wall.
The limiting factor with all these solutions is the bend at the wall. If the wall were one inch farther out, all the bend issues would go away. I need to fashion an addition of a tool box to the back of the wall. Lionel could sell those as an accessory for $25 each
Great idea!
-Pete
I like the hose going over the fitting with the tyrap that Ernie has done. One solid hose over the fittings with tyrap as a clamp seems like a good way to go.
Specifically, what is the brand and size (I guess that's 5/32 inch ID) of Ernie's hose. And the barb Union...Ernie? The fact that it doesn't collapse much at the bend out of the pump is interesting to me...until I put a tool shed addition on the back wall that the hose can rest in .
cjack posted:Specifically, what is the brand and size (I guess that's 5/32 inch ID) of Ernie's hose. And the barb Union...Ernie? The fact that it doesn't collapse much at the bend out of the pump is interesting to me...until I put a tool shed addition on the back wall that the hose can rest in
There is more discussion on the tubes on page 2 of this thread. There are a couple of links to Amazon from Ernie.
Yea kind of waiting to find the best solution. I sent my smoke loader back a couple weeks ago with the leaking hose. Lionel sent me a new smoke loader. Haven't put any fluid in it yet. Ran out of Lionel Fluid. Looking at it today and it almost looks like there is something on the hose at the pump. Like a glue or seal type something at the connection. So don't know if I should fill it up and let it rip or change the hose first, when I get some fluid.
Schnucks posted:cjack posted:Specifically, what is the brand and size (I guess that's 5/32 inch ID) of Ernie's hose. And the barb Union...Ernie? The fact that it doesn't collapse much at the bend out of the pump is interesting to me...until I put a tool shed addition on the back wall that the hose can rest in
There is more discussion on the tubes on page 2 of this thread. There are a couple of links to Amazon from Ernie.
Thanks. Got 'em. Maybe they will not kink as much as mine did.
Gweedo posted:Yea kind of waiting to find the best solution. I sent my smoke loader back a couple weeks ago with the leaking hose. Lionel sent me a new smoke loader. Haven't put any fluid in it yet. Ran out of Lionel Fluid. Looking at it today and it almost looks like there is something on the hose at the pump. Like a glue or seal type something at the connection. So don't know if I should fill it up and let it rip or change the hose first, when I get some fluid.
Change the hose. The odds are pretty good that it will leak. The glue seems like it was super glue. I picked it all off after I cleaned up the unit.
cjack posted:Gweedo posted:Yea kind of waiting to find the best solution. I sent my smoke loader back a couple weeks ago with the leaking hose. Lionel sent me a new smoke loader. Haven't put any fluid in it yet. Ran out of Lionel Fluid. Looking at it today and it almost looks like there is something on the hose at the pump. Like a glue or seal type something at the connection. So don't know if I should fill it up and let it rip or change the hose first, when I get some fluid.
Change the hose. The odds are pretty good that it will leak. The glue seems like it was super glue. I picked it all off after I cleaned up the unit.
Oh so the glue is nothing new. Thank you. I think I gonna go with 5/32 hose and the ties. Don't want to clean that mess up again.
Still getting some fluid seep at the rear wall so I separated the two panels it's made of and the middle was totally saturated with smoke fluid. Must have creeped up by capillary action. Ack!
cjack posted:Still getting some fluid seep at the rear wall so I separated the two panels it's made of and the middle was totally saturated with smoke fluid. Must have creeped up by capillary action. Ack!
Not sure why you're still having problems, Chuck. I've been running the "Quick Fix" since I got home from York and found the problem. No leaks at all. You could also try the permanent fix using the full hose and barb. just a suggestion.
Ernie
The fix works for me. No new leaks.
It's just that when it leaked out a half bottle of Lionel Premium Smoke Fluid a week ago, it seeped up into the back wall between the two layers the wall is made out of. Then that seeps back down onto the platform floor. So I peeled apart the wall and dried it, then put the wall back together. I also found fluid under the antenna plate that was glued to the inside of the wall. The leaky hose must have been touching the bottom of the antenna and capillary action occurred there too.
I probably should have asked for a new dry one, but I'm gaining on it. It looks good now...dry everywhere I think.
cjack posted:The fix works for me. No new leaks.
It's just that when it leaked out a half bottle of Lionel Premium Smoke Fluid a week ago, it seeped up into the back wall between the two layers the wall is made out of. Then that seeps back down onto the platform floor. So I peeled apart the wall and dried it, then put the wall back together. I also found fluid under the antenna plate that was glued to the inside of the wall. The leaky hose must have been touching the bottom of the antenna and capillary action occurred there too.
I probably should have asked for a new dry one, but I'm gaining on it. It looks good now...dry everywhere I think.
Ok, Chuck, I thought you were still having a hose leak.
Ernie
Lionel2341 posted:cjack posted:Still getting some fluid seep at the rear wall so I separated the two panels it's made of and the middle was totally saturated with smoke fluid. Must have creeped up by capillary action. Ack!
Not sure why you're still having problems, Chuck. I've been running the "Quick Fix" since I got home from York and found the problem. No leaks at all. You could also try the permanent fix using the full hose and barb. just a suggestion.
Ernie
Ernie, Personally I like the 5/32 fix- but I cannot find a source for the barb reducer! Could I impose on you for source /purchase? Thanks in advance sir.
I got mine up and running today. Put the 1/8" Tygon Tubing I picked up last week. Ran a solid piece from the tank to the pump with a tyrap at each connection. Ran a solid piece from the pump to the outlet pipe with a tyrap at each connection. Put in some Lionel fluid primed it and all was good. Then the fluid stopped. Thought maybe the hose was kinked. No there was a small piece of like plastic crumb stuck in the line at the outlet pipe. Took the hose off and flushed the lines. There must have been little bits of like plastic crumb like flash in the tank. Think I have it all flushed out. Working good now and should not have any more leaks.
Gweedo posted:I got mine up and running today. Put the 1/8" Tygon Tubing I picked up last week. Ran a solid piece from the tank to the pump with a tyrap at each connection. Ran a solid piece from the pump to the outlet pipe with a tyrap at each connection. Put in some Lionel fluid primed it and all was good. Then the fluid stopped. Thought maybe the hose was kinked. No there was a small piece of like plastic crumb stuck in the line at the outlet pipe. Took the hose off and flushed the lines. There must have been little bits of like plastic crumb like flash in the tank. Think I have it all flushed out. Working good now and should not have any more leaks.
Good Job, could have been a small piece of the old hose.
Ernie
I found that the glue, I guess super glue, they used to try to cement the whittled down silicone hoses kind of crumbled and had to be cleaned out from around the pump nozzles. That's probably what it was.
The stuff was black but it's gone now. Thank you guys for the help!
nmtrains posted:Lionel2341 posted:cjack posted:Still getting some fluid seep at the rear wall so I separated the two panels it's made of and the middle was totally saturated with smoke fluid. Must have creeped up by capillary action. Ack!
Not sure why you're still having problems, Chuck. I've been running the "Quick Fix" since I got home from York and found the problem. No leaks at all. You could also try the permanent fix using the full hose and barb. just a suggestion.
Ernie
Ernie, Personally I like the 5/32 fix- but I cannot find a source for the barb reducer! Could I impose on you for source /purchase? Thanks in advance sir.
https://www.sullivanproducts.c...ponentsMainFrame.htm
Scroll down on this page and look for aluminum tubing adapter # 485
Ernie
https://www.sullivanproducts.c...ponentsMainFrame.htm
Scroll down the page
Aluminum tubing adapters # 485
This gives you the 5/32 to 1/8 transition
Ernie
Lionel2341 posted:https://www.sullivanproducts.c...ponentsMainFrame.htm
Scroll down the page
Aluminum tubing adapters # 485
This gives you the 5/32 to 1/8 transition
Ernie
Thanks for your time/information,much appreciated.
Just an FYI to everyone in case they have this same issue. I could not get the smoke loader to program at all using the acc button on my cab 1 as the smoke loader instructions indicate. Finally I tried the eng button then my assigned number and it works great!
Hello! I am new tot he forum, but not to O Gauge trains. I recently purchased the Lionel Legacy Smoke Fluid loader and have one issue. When installed, the fluid appears to be dispensing properly, the light works, and also shuts on and off with my CAB-2 remote. The issue is that the arm does not swing as directed in the instructions. I turn the red wheel as directed and get no motion. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks,
Brian
Brian K posted:Hello! I am new tot he forum, but not to O Gauge trains. I recently purchased the Lionel Legacy Smoke Fluid loader and have one issue. When installed, the fluid appears to be dispensing properly, the light works, and also shuts on and off with my CAB-2 remote. The issue is that the arm does not swing as directed in the instructions. I turn the red wheel as directed and get no motion. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks,
Brian
We presume you have given it an id via the program/run switch, and, have added it to your Cab2 as an accessory. Then you access it with this address. If needed here's a link to the manual.
Is there a way to hook up the fluid filler station with conventional control (hard wiring)?
I had issues with my smoke fluid filler. The manual clearly states you can use either the Lionel quick connect or standard wiring. I soldered two wires to my track accessory wiring bus, as I did with all other such accessories. I programmed it to my Cab 2, but only some of the functions worked. It did not pump oil. I returned it to my dealer for an exchange but purchased the Lionel plug-in. With all three wires installed, the accessory functioned as advertised. Despite the manual clearly saying you can use a two wire standard connection, all functions are not available with this connection type.
