Skip to main content

I've wanted the scale T1 Duplex for some time, but it wasn't until recently I managed to score one that was in great shape, but of course needed a little TLC in the operational area.

First off, I wanted to use the RailSounds 6 Legacy sounds, but with TMCC that leaves audio features that doesn't work.  So, I decided to upgrade the locomotive to Legacy, that way the tender could use the full Legacy RailSounds.  I selected the standard Legacy R4LC-S03 and the Legacy 691-DCDE-102 back-EMF motor driver.  The older modular boards were chosen based on the RailSounds 6 sounds for the T1 Duplex, they are not compatible with the newer RCMC electronics, some of the serial commands are different. The project was able to use the existing TMCC motherboard and IR transmitter, also much of the existing wiring.

Of course, I needed a chuff switch, so I added my Chuff-Generator and for smoke unit control I also added the Super-Chuffer II, Legacy code version.

There were a few bumps along the way, I first found out that the Legacy back-EMF board will NOT share the serial data with any other devices, if I connected anything else, the board refused to function.  It was even more perplexing as when viewing the serial data coming in, it looked perfect and at full amplitude.  However, as soon as I removed the smoke regulator serial data, the back-EMF board sprang to life and worked fine.  Ditto with sharing it with the IR transmitter on the drawbar.  I finally ended up with not one but two serial port buffers to separate the serial data to all devices, and finally harmony returned to the operation.

Since this was going to be a real upgrade, I also upgraded all the lighting.  Everything but the lower headlight has been replaced by an LED.  The lame single bulb that attempted to illuminate the upper headlight and the two number boards / markers was removed.  Each number board got two surface mount LED chips to properly illuminate them, and of course the headlight was replaced with an LED as well.  The cab light was also replaced with an LED to round out the picture.  Rule-17 headlight and automatic cab light control were supplied by the Super-Chuffer II board.

In a departure from the Lionel wiring scheme, I wired all the lights within the shell and brought all the connections down in a single 6-pin connector, that also included the antenna.  This allows easy separation of the boiler shell from the chassis with one plug.  I so abhor the shell spaghetti wiring of early TMCC models, this was a great chance to make it better.

Chassis completed, time to move on to the boiler shell lighting.

Lionel T1 Duplex Legacy Conversion N1

Boiler shell lighting wiring.  Note all the lighting and antennas connect using a single connector, and all the wiring is out of the way..

Lionel T1 Duplex Legacy Conversion N2

The completed locomotive, now it has real lighting and you can actually see that it has lighted number boards and class lights.

Lionel T1 Duplex Legacy Conversion

Next up?  The tender gets it's Legacy Sound and Lighting upgrade.  It will have the same sound set as the Legacy LionMaster T1 Duplex, which is considerably better than the old RS4 sounds.  Conveniently, if you happen to use the crew-talk or tower-com, the numbers are the same, #5511.

Boards mounted and ready to wire.

Lionel T1 Duplex Legacy Conversion Tender N1

Wiring completed and tested, ready to drop the shell on.

Lionel T1 Duplex Legacy Conversion Tender N2

I'm also contemplating stripping the LCS transmitter from one of my Sensor Boxcars and adding it to the tender.  That would give me the capability of using the LCS IRV2 sensor tracks that I spent so much money on.

Edit: Added build pictures I missed the first time.

Attachments

Images (5)
  • Lionel T1 Duplex Legacy Conversion
  • Lionel T1 Duplex Legacy Conversion N1
  • Lionel T1 Duplex Legacy Conversion N2
  • Lionel T1 Duplex Legacy Conversion Tender N1
  • Lionel T1 Duplex Legacy Conversion Tender N2
Last edited by gunrunnerjohn
Original Post

Replies sorted oldest to newest

John,

that RS6 set up using the 691-MB15-A00 should support the LCS track IR sensor from what I can tell.

I usually don’t add it to my upgrades because it will change the name in the remote to what ever engine boards I’m using for the conversion. But in this case it be appropriate.

Last edited by Bruk
@Bruk posted:

John,

that RS6 set up using the 691-MB15-A00 should support the LCS track IR sensor from what I can tell.

I usually don’t add it to my upgrades because it will change the name in the remote to what ever engine boards I’m using for the conversion.

Bruk, that's why I'm considering the sensor car parts.  Those you can program for any ID, which would eliminate the issue of the wrong name.   I'm using the 691-MB15-A01, the same one that is used in the Legacy LionMaster T1 Duplex, I figured to pattern the wiring to what's in that tender.  I happen to have that locomotive, so I have a tender to look at that works with my modified locomotive.

My remaining "to-do" is to replace my smoke regulator, the one I had in my parts bin is flaky, it works great for a few seconds and then tails off to minimal smoke.  You can watch the voltage slowly go from a measured 6V to around 4V, and the smoke almost disappears.  This is a classic failure that I've seen many times before, those smoke regulators are pretty flaky.

Bruk, that's why I'm considering the sensor car parts.  Those you can program for any ID, which would eliminate the issue of the wrong name.   I'm using the 691-MB15-A01, the same one that is used in the Legacy LionMaster T1 Duplex, I figured to pattern the wiring to what's in that tender.  I happen to have that locomotive, so I have a tender to look at that works with my modified locomotive.

My remaining "to-do" is to replace my smoke regulator, the one I had in my parts bin is flaky, it works great for a few seconds and then tails off to minimal smoke.  You can watch the voltage slowly go from a measured 6V to around 4V, and the smoke almost disappears.  This is a classic failure that I've seen many times before, those smoke regulators are pretty flaky.

I have a basic wiring diagram for that tender thanks to you in the past for figuring how it was wired.  This helps doing LEGACY conversions on the scale T1's I can email that to you if you'd like.

Last edited by Bruk
@Bruk posted:

I have a basic wiring diagram for that tender thanks to you in the past for figuring how it was wired.  This helps doing LEGACY conversions on the scale T1's I can email that to you if you'd like.

Bruk, I sure would love to have the wiring diagram! Always nice to have a picture of what you're working on.

I'm looking now at how to arrange stuff.  Funny thing, I do notice that the motherboard has an IR Track Output, but the LM T1 Duplex doesn't have any IR transmitter on the tender.  I wonder what's the possibility that it's actually programmed to output something from the RS6 board?

@Fred M posted:

Nice project John.

Can you install the err command in a tmcc h9?

This also has the mechanical liquid smoke unit, is there enough room in there for one of your super chuff 2 with a fan driven unit?

Thanks for sharing your information

You're better off considering selling it and buying a Legacy version.  It's a very tight fit, and the full upgrade is knocking on the door to the Legacy models.

@Johnsgg1 posted:

John you might want to fix a tracking problem with the scale T1.  The wide flangeless drivers short out on most 072 switches.  A known problem.  Beveling them is the solution.  I think your upgrades are fantastic.  I wonder how far away Lionel is from a Vision type remake?

I sent it to Pat (Harmonyards) for the wheel bevel.  FWIW, there are a host of older 3rd Rail locomotives with the same issue.  In the case of the T1 Duplex, my biggest issue is with the Ross curved switches.

Awesome upgrades going into that scale T1! I will second your opinion that the Lionmaster Duplex has impressive sounds. The 5511's quillable whistle is one of my favorite sounds from any O Gauge locomotive.



I wanted better sounds than the RS4, so the way to get there was the Legacy conversion.

Wow, that is the one you found at the last York, right John? Oh I cannot wait to see when you have this marvel of wonders running around the rails.

Actually, this is one that I bought on eBay, I bought the Legacy Santa Fe Northern at York.

@Bruk came through with one of his great wiring diagrams featuring the tender motherboard I'm using.  Other than a missing resistor for the backup-light, it's spot-on.  It is missing the marker lights, I believe they're powered directly from track power for the Legacy tender.

Today is wiring day, so this is a timely addition.

Lionel 691-MB15-A0x RS6 MB Wiring

Attachments

Images (1)
  • Lionel 691-MB15-A0x RS6 MB Wiring
@Johnsgg1 posted:

John you might want to fix a tracking problem with the scale T1.  The wide flangeless drivers short out on most 072 switches.  A known problem.  Beveling them is the solution.  I think your upgrades are fantastic.  I wonder how far away Lionel is from a Vision type remake?

John sent the T1 to me and I took care of the fat blind drivers ….it was a clock bandit of a job, but it turned out nice …..I’ve done several 3rd Rails….they’re easier to do than any locomotive with captured axles,….

Pat 91DCB496-27D1-48EB-9F61-B7A9168AFB95

Attachments

Images (1)
  • 91DCB496-27D1-48EB-9F61-B7A9168AFB95

My smoke regulator is dying, I knew that but I have to wait for my Lionel order to get the replacement.  Once I get that installed, I should be good.   I also noticed some smoke leakage under the shell around the stack, so I'll have to take a look at that as well.

The tender conversion is complete, all tested, I just popped the shell on after the shot to test the markers and back lights, good to go.

Lionel T1 Duplex Legacy Conversion Tender N2

Attachments

Images (1)
  • Lionel T1 Duplex Legacy Conversion Tender N2
@Bruk posted:

John,

that RS6 set up using the 691-MB15-A00 should support the LCS track IR sensor from what I can tell.

I usually don’t add it to my upgrades because it will change the name in the remote to what ever engine boards I’m using for the conversion. But in this case it be appropriate.

There’s a way to program the legacy base to ignore the info from a particular engine going over a track sensor per @Dave Olson. A computer needs to be connected to the base as if you are upgrading firmware using the legacy program.  I’ve never done it, and sadly forgot how Dave told me what needs to be done.

Add Reply

Post

OGR Publishing, Inc., 1310 Eastside Centre Ct, Suite 6, Mountain Home, AR 72653
800-980-OGRR (6477)
www.ogaugerr.com

×
×
×
×
Link copied to your clipboard.
×
×