Got my Wabash 21" passenger cars today. Here are some photos and a short video  I'm very impressed with all of the features except for one. 

Likes:

1) Packaging, no more wire ties and tissue paper sticking to the roof  

2) LED lighting, no more blinking and they stay on after the power is off

3) extendable spring couplers that lengthen around curves, make sure you oil and grease everything well, also make sure all of the trucks swing freely both directions, I had one that was hanging up but no moves freely  

4) weight, the cars are surprisingly heavy for plastic  

5) easy removal of the shell, 4 screws and its off

Dislike:

NO lighting in the Vista Domes, when the lights are turned out you can't tell that they are dome cars.

All in all I'm very pleased and looking forward to the station sounds diner next month. The last photo was of a solder joint that came loose. I repaired it and no other issues.

 

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...  I'm impressed with all of the features except for one. The Vista Dome cars are NOT lighted with LEDs. With the lights out you can't even tell that they are dome cars. Big disappointment. 

That is a HUGE disappointment.  I guess that'll be yet another customization project folks will need to tackle with these cars... perhaps the same time they add passengers to the interiors.    I'm not sure what I'd do if it were me.  Given that it's not just the "one" Vista dome car, but FOUR... I'd almost be inclined to return them to my dealer.

I'm expecting my Texas Special set to arrive tomorrow (Tuesday), and I think that set is supposed to have just one Vista Dome... so it won't be AS big of a deal.  But if I'm not absolutely thrilled with the set, the cars will be going back to Charlie Ro... and I'll purchase something else with the $$$.  Charlie is good in that way, as long as you're not abusing the privilege.  I'm really hoping to keep the set though, since I've waited so long for them.  I was originally hoping for the 18" aluminum version and was extremely disappointed when Lionel didn't include the Texas Special in the last run of aluminum 18" cars.  In 24 hours, I'll know where I stand.

David

The more I think about the dome lighting the more it grinds my gears. This is a special set, my Dad worked for the Wabash. I'm keeping it but I won't be buying the UP set to go behind the 8444. I'll be getting with cJack and he'll help me put lights where there are none! 

So in both of the pictures you posted of individual cars, the rear end of the dome isnt sitting flush on the roof... Forget the lights, whats up with that?

 

"Of course we know its O-gauge or no gauge." -- Sheldon Cooper

What a beautiful set. Adding a few lights to the dome area should be easy. Bummer about the domes vs. prototype.

Why not the Excursion UP cars? I just put my order in.

WHAT A MESS! The Wabash was an all dome train and there is only one dome and incorrect at that! I believe Lionel just took those that ordered one. Time for Golden Gates to step up and show how it should be done. Why do modelers keep buying projects that are half *** done.

Stephen

nw2124 posted:

WHAT A MESS! The Wabash was an all dome train and there is only one dome and incorrect at that! I believe Lionel just took those that ordered one. Time for Golden Gates to step up and show how it should be done. Why do modelers keep buying projects that are half *** done.

Stephen

Or Atlas? This car looks similar to the CZ end dome.

a wabash dome

Off the top of my head, the three items that stand out as needing attention are the following:

1, Domes are incorrect, should be Budd type (rounded) vs, P-S (which the Bluebird did add later, but only one). Actually, maybe by mistake, the dome is a pretty good version of the P-S add on.

2, The observation car roof end is not correct. The end light should be raised and not recessed and the roof panels were very visible, not smooth like in the model.

3, Ride height seems even higher than other passenger cars, might be due to color scheme.

There are a few other items that should have been corrected, but those are minor.

1, The Blue window band is a little thin around the windows.

2, The Blue window band should have been continued all the way around the back of the observation car and the top blue band should have stopped right where the “boat tail” starts.

 

I think this leaves room for Golden Gate Depot to run a version of the Bluebird for the faithful. However... In my opinion nobody has really done, including the recent Atlas, a decent version of the Budd dome. Meaning the contours and the framing thickness, in a RTR model. If GGD cannot get this feature correct then I would not even bother making the set.

Since this piece (the dome) is removable, there might be a slight chance that Lionel could tool up a nice Budd dome and sell as an after-market part where we could make the switch on our own if we wanted. A quick message to Ryan (or Mike) might be a good starting point.

Based only on the pictures posted, the Blue Color does look to be about correct as are most of the windows.

Also, correct are the car names/numbers and the various shapes/sizes of fluting used on the roof, sides and skirts. To me, that is a very nice feature that has seemed to have been lost of many RTR models.

As with anything in O, nothing is perfect. But there is room for improvement for sure.

 

Charlie

 

 

Charlie posted:

Off the top of my head, the three items that stand out as needing attention are the following:

1, Domes are incorrect, should be Budd type (rounded) vs, P-S (which the Bluebird did add later, but only one). Actually, maybe by mistake, the dome is a pretty good version of the P-S add on.

2, The observation car roof end is not correct. The end light should be raised and not recessed and the roof panels were very visible, not smooth like in the model.

3, Ride height seems even higher than other passenger cars, might be due to color scheme.

 

Charlie

 

 

4, The dome on the observation is in the wrong location.

5, It may be just me, but it looks like the domes also fit poorly.

Rusty

Nice Set you have there!Do you think that maybe the Vista Domes from the old #2500 Series cars might be more Round?,like these other guys are talking about?To me,it would not matter,I would be proud to own the set as is.But I realize Lionel charges a lot of money for these cars,and you guys want them as close to the real thing as possible.Thanks for sharing!

Atlas seemed to be able to light the domes on the Zephyr cars,how much can it cost,plus wrong end on observation.

Mikey

Things that would increase cost to these passenger cars:

Lights in the domes

Fully detailed interiors

Specific domes for each road name

So if those were all "fixed" and the prices were then increased, people would then gripe about the price even more than they already do. I would invite you guys to compare the prices of the 21" cars to the aluminum cars.

To me, these are beautiful cars that are a great starting point for customization.

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