I have the 4 pack and 2 pack of the Wabash cars. I purchased the Lionel e8 a while ago. When, I put them together I notice that the blue color of the cars is not the same as the blue color of the engines.
rboatertoo posted:I have the 4 pack and 2 pack of the Wabash cars. I purchased the Lionel e8 a while ago. When, I put them together I notice that the blue color of the cars is not the same as the blue color of the engines.
That's a big disappointment! 
I wonder if folks who own the Legacy FM Trainmaster locomotive or F3 ABBA's (I think Lionel did F3's recently, yes?) will fare any better. I only saw the passenger set briefly at the Allentown train show last weekend, and the cars had a very striking appearance to them. I consider myself very, very lucky that the new Texas Special passenger cars match the SD70ACe locomotives that Lionel produced almost 5 years ago.
David
rboatertoo posted:I have the 4 pack and 2 pack of the Wabash cars. I purchased the Lionel e8 a while ago. When, I put them together I notice that the blue color of the cars is not the same as the blue color of the engines.
YOU HAVE TO BE Kidding me?!
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rboatertoo posted:I have the 4 pack and 2 pack of the Wabash cars. I purchased the Lionel e8 a while ago. When, I put them together I notice that the blue color of the cars is not the same as the blue color of the engines.
Doesn't surprise me as the locomotive models are probably manufactured in a completely different location/factory than the passenger cars.
Interestingly, the K-Line California Zephyr cars did the iconic Budd dome rather well.
Interesting indeed. I had the K-Line NP dome car here for a while, and found the dome undersize and toylike. I use brass parts and make my own domes.
And while I too am dazzled by the realism demanded of toy train hobbyists, I am grateful for it, since I can now purchase almost anything i want in 3-rail and convert it to run on more or less realistic track easily. Keep demanding scale models for your tinplate track!
This statement in Chuck K's post is incorrect
It's ironic that Lionel now has all the K-Line assets, but couldn't get the Blue Bird's dome right.
Lionel does not have any of the old K-Line tooling.
bob2 posted:So far, four different posters have suggested that domes were not lit up on real trains, and one of them actually rode a dome at night. Do you guys still think that Lionel made a major mistake?
If you are trying to look out the window at night, interior lighting completely destroys the view. On the other hand, folks outside can see what you are doing with your girlfriend.
There had to be some lighting, no one could walk up there and head down the stairs in a rocking, moving train without some lights. Seems all they wanted was a soft glow.
There was lighting up in the dome.
What today would be called “task” lighting, for each row in a downward facing position. Probably (hopefully) very dim.
What I don’t know is if there was floor or stair lighting. My guess would be yes, but I don’t know for sure.
The lighting does not bother me, the shape of the domes, that would bother me more.
I should also add, the color is pretty close and the detail is very nice. Once populated with people, the domes will make a nice focal point.
Otherwise a nice set. I too would like to see these in 18 inch cars… and lowered.
Charlie
T4TT posted:This statement in Chuck K's post is incorrect
It's ironic that Lionel now has all the K-Line assets, but couldn't get the Blue Bird's dome right.
Lionel does not have any of the old K-Line tooling.
I thought that Lionel didn't have any of it.
Bill
I'll stand corrected about whether Lionel kept K-Line tooling. However, I will also say that Lionel didn't seem to inherit K-Line's acumen in building a reasonably accurate passenger car.
Chuck K.
Chuck K. posted:I'll stand corrected about whether Lionel kept K-Line tooling. However, I will also say that Lionel didn't seem to inherit K-Line's acumen in building a reasonably accurate passenger car.
Chuck K.
You're absolutely right about that! It's a crime that the old K-line tooling is still sitting unused.
Bill
Answer to dome lighting is...glow in the dark luminous paint 
NSBill posted:Chuck K. posted:I'll stand corrected about whether Lionel kept K-Line tooling. However, I will also say that Lionel didn't seem to inherit K-Line's acumen in building a reasonably accurate passenger car.
Chuck K.
You're absolutely right about that! It's a crime that the old K-line tooling is still sitting unused.
Bill
How do you know that the K-Line tooling, especially for passenger cars, is "still sitting unused"?
Hot Water posted:NSBill posted:Chuck K. posted:I'll stand corrected about whether Lionel kept K-Line tooling. However, I will also say that Lionel didn't seem to inherit K-Line's acumen in building a reasonably accurate passenger car.
Chuck K.
You're absolutely right about that! It's a crime that the old K-line tooling is still sitting unused.
Bill
How do you know that the K-Line tooling, especially for passenger cars, is "still sitting unused"?
I was referring to scale passenger car tooling there. Last I heard Sanda Kan had it, and had no intentions of releasing it. So are you suggesting somebody is using the scale passenger car tooling? If so, who?
Bill
Wow, these are really poorly done, given that they are supposed to be scale, and thus prototypical. Only the paint job looks something like Wabash. I pre-ordered, trusting Lionel to get them right, but I am returning them. Lesson learned. I am pretty tolerant of errors and generic variations grom the prototype, but this is ridiculous. I will wait for GGD to do them right. Why couldn't Lionel just copy the K-line domes? Those were much closer to the correct Budd dome.
I guess we know now, that these Lionel 21" cars are not intended to compete with the Atlas or GGD 21" cars, or even the old K-line 21" cars. They are scale length fantasy toys. A big step down from Lionel's own fairly correct 21" Texas Special cars from a few years ago (but those were really reboxed K-line aluminum cars). I am very disappointed.
There is a common thread running through most of the comments in this thread. It would appear that Lionel doesn't care enough to get some of the most basic stuff right and then stiff-arms us when, having pre-ordered the pig-in-a-poke, we're stuck with serious defects in both design and execution. How can they get so many things right and then mess up on something as basic as the shape of the dome in an all dome train? It's not as though they haven't made a Budd dome before...
Having been deeply disappointed by my recently acquired Lionel "Olympian Hiawatha", I'm wondering if there is anyone out there anxious to part with a K-line 21" aluminum Milwaukee Road dining car in UP colors, No. 122, and any other of the cars in that series?
I predict that we will see a lot of these cars on the secondary market in the near future, where they will sell for about $50/car (or less). They might be good for a repaint to something more correct, if the price is low enough.
I just returned a 4-car and 2-car set and cancelled a still pending order for the diner. It's just too wrong with the domes. I'll sell the E8 units I had previously purchased - oh well. I could probably have tolerated most of the other faults in these cars (although somebody at Lionel should be embarrassed - but I suspect they aren't - and perhaps that's part of the problem). In the "Lionel 2015 Signature Edition" catalog, page 3, "Of course you'll want some new scale rolling stock to run behind your engines, and we certainly have a lot of cars and paint schemes to choose from in this catalog." They use the word "scale" and in subsequent paragraphs differentiate "traditional". So what they are claiming in THIS catalog isn't exactly "toy" trains. Page 76 says "...cars appropriate for each road" next to Blue Bird cars that, dome-wise, are represented correctly in the catalog. Well, "appropriate" turned out to be a be a false claim.
Chuck K.
Chuck K. posted:I just returned a 4-car and 2-car set and cancelled a still pending order for the diner. It's just too wrong with the domes. I'll sell the E8 units I had previously purchased - oh well. I could probably have tolerated most of the other faults in these cars (although somebody at Lionel should be embarrassed - but I suspect they aren't - and perhaps that's part of the problem). In the "Lionel 2015 Signature Edition" catalog, page 3, "Of course you'll want some new scale rolling stock to run behind your engines, and we certainly have a lot of cars and paint schemes to choose from in this catalog." They use the word "scale" and in subsequent paragraphs differentiate "traditional". So what they are claiming in THIS catalog isn't exactly "toy" trains. Page 76 says "...cars appropriate for each road" next to Blue Bird cars that, dome-wise, are represented correctly in the catalog. Well, "appropriate" turned out to be a be a false claim.
Chuck K.
Yes, I agree. I returned the cars and got rid of the E8 AA too. Too wrong to spend so much money on, or any money on, really.
3rd Rail is doing the E8, and you only need one A unit to be correct. I will wait for GGD to do the cars.
Jtrain posted:I predict that we will see a lot of these cars on the secondary market in the near future, where they will sell for about $50/car (or less). They might be good for a repaint to something more correct, if the price is low enough.
I suspect not. For every one person dissatisfied with the cars, there are probably ten that don't mind the inconsistencies and will keep them for their visual appeal.
Rusty
