Does anyone know if there are rules concerning video streaming via Facebook, Instagram. YouTube, or other video social platforms in the halls of the York TCA meet?

If attendees at the meet could do live video streaming it would be a fabulous way to share the York experience with O gauge hobbyists and model railroaders who aren't able to attend the meet or never attended York because they haven't "seen" what a great experience it can be. "Seeing" the York meet rather than hearing about or reading attendees written accounts of it could be the catalyst for persuading those who are uncertain or "on the fence" about attending to"finally come to York." thus increasing future meet attendance!

Hopefully a TCA Eastern Division representative will chime in with official word on whether live streaming inside any or all of this show's halls is permitted or forbidden.

Btw, since social media and internet streaming is one of the primary ways people in the teen through- 40÷ year age group get and share information and ideas, this could be yet another way to expose that group to our hobby. 

 

ogaugeguy

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Certainly not in the member halls, since photo and video aren't allowed there to begin with.  (See meet notice with rules here.  Unfortunately it's a bunch of images, so you can't search for text, but video/photo rules are on page 5)  How would you avoid the copyrighted material issue?  You'd have to know it's there before you start streaming it.

Dealer halls, I would imagine it would be hard to tell you to stop, but I also imagine you'll have a whole bunch of people trying to actually see the wares and shop get ticked off at you for trying to make a news production out of it while you are talking to your audience.

So why would it be so "fabulous"?  Unless you'd call someone (who you have a payment arrangement set up with) doing it real time because you see something you want to buy, what's the attraction?  It's a buy/sell meet, not a museum. 

I sort of hope no one does decide to do this to be honest, even if it does fit "within the rules" just because it was not a thing when the rules were written.  Cell phones and photo/video in the dealer halls has not seemed to have any significant negative impact, but I hardly think we need people running around whose main goal is to live stream the even rather than buy stuff.  Get 10 or 20 people who feel they have to live stream every single aisle they walk down where a camera is allowed and it could gum up the traffic flow.

-Dave

Ogaugeguy, you are a brave soul. You are attempting to drag the TCA, kicking and screaming, into the 21st century. Odds are that they don’t even know what “live streaming” is.  

I wish you lots of luck. 

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I'm well aware of what Live Streaming is.  I just don't see why it's a benefit to do it at the show, unless you are looking for "subscribers" or "followers" or "likes" on YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, etc.   I fail to see how it's much different than getting exited about someone livestreaming their shopping for a car or eating dinner somewhere.

It would seem quite  waste to go there just to live stream your progress through the halls and detract from the experience of shopping and chatting with people (not that you can't chat with people, but it's a distraction when someone is trying to do an amateur video production while walking around and interacting with people who are there in person, rather than following the livestream).

How many videos of "I'm here at the TCA meet and there are tons of trains here" will the world need?

I guess livestreaming is the next "hip" thing that may "save" the York meet if we encourage it? Just like the public admission was going to make it as well attended as a WGH show, right?

-Dave

Joe Hohmann posted:

As far as live streaming goes, I would think the main interest would be close-ups of what is offered at the tables. A view from the ceiling of the orange hall would get very old in about 15 minutes. 

Generally livestreaming is done with a cell phone or other device on your person (maybe with a "selfie-stick" - those are great fun in crowded areas too), so unless we have someone really adventurous (or with the longest selfie stick in the world), there would be no shots from the ceiling.

-Dave

Dave45681 posted:
Joe Hohmann posted:

As far as live streaming goes, I would think the main interest would be close-ups of what is offered at the tables. A view from the ceiling of the orange hall would get very old in about 15 minutes. 

Generally livestreaming is done with a cell phone or other device on your person (maybe with a "selfie-stick" - those are great fun in crowded areas too), so unless we have someone really adventurous (or with the longest selfie stick in the world), there would be no shots from the ceiling.

-Dave

Not necessarily, Dave. The vast majority of today's video cameras have wifi uploading capability so people can live stream with a video camera and instead use their cellphone as a wifi hotspot to upload their video camera's feed.

 

 

 

ogaugeguy

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While there is no specific mention of streaming, video is allowed Purple, and Orange as well as the modular layouts so beside the fact that you are sending it out live, as long as you don't interfere with the normal flow of the meet I can't see it being an issue.

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To the OP post, nobody should have to promote York - I mean it is "york" right. I'm sure all the local news channels will spotlight the show that happens twice a year and all the folks will stop by and visit right ?  Truth is, any publicity for the event is good and should be embraced.

ogaugeguy posted:

Not necessarily, Dave. The vast majority of today's video cameras have wifi uploading capability so people can live stream with a video camera and instead use their cellphone as a wifi hotspot to upload their video camera's feed.

 

I would assume the cameras you refer to would fall under my umbrella description of "or other devices on your person", but maybe I'm not thinking outside the box.

Fair enough, but the point remains, you'd be hard pressed to get a shot like Joe described with a camera pointed down from the ceiling.    Drones definitely ARE NOT allowed to fly inside the Orange Hall. and I'm pretty sure climbing the structure to get up to the rafters to take such a shot would also be heavily frowned upon..

-Dave

MartyE posted:

While there is no specific mention of streaming, video is allowed Purple, and Orange as well as the modular layouts so beside the fact that you are sending it out live, as long as you don't interfere with the normal flow of the meet I can't see it being an issue.

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Thanks for the reply, Marty. The as yet untapped usefulness of this technological video phenomena could prove a game changer in not only promoting York and our hobby to outsiders but also a boon to those of us already in the hobby.

One can only wonder and imagine how Barry B could have shared and extended his enthusiasm and knowledge of all things, DCS via livestreaming those York meetings he hosted. He could have not only live streamed them but also utilized the feature of video chat streaming to share his expertise and create a dialogue with DCS users worldwide.

Have you yourself, Marty, considered using that technological video streaming platform to reprise those very helpful sessions you once held at York? By doing so, you could interact with a far reaching group of folks already in our hobby who could be made aware of your streams via posts on this and other forums you post on.  Such video podcasting or live video streams might also encourage both newbie O gaugers  and those casual "holiday time" visitors to this and other model railroad forums to become activeand integral year round members of our hobby.

Wouldn't is likewise be great if OGR would in "real time" livestream their York Grandstand meetings for all members and visitors to this forum to actually see and experience in additional to reading a transcript from Mr. Muffin of what transpired there.

THE UNTAPPED POSSIBILITIES OF VIDEO PODCASTING, LIVE VIDEOSTREAMING AND VIDEO CHATS FOR OUR FABULOUS HOBBY ARE UNFATHOMABLE!!!

ogaugeguy

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It's like the meet is a masonic temple of the highest order super secret double probation meeting....

Don't talk about what happens behind closed colored  doors.....

All the while vendors, patrons , and guests lament about the "good ole days"

ogaugeguy posted:
MartyE posted:

While there is no specific mention of streaming, video is allowed Purple, and Orange as well as the modular layouts so beside the fact that you are sending it out live, as long as you don't interfere with the normal flow of the meet I can't see it being an issue.

 

Have you yourself, Marty, considered using that technological video streaming platform to reprise those very helpful sessions you once held at York? By doing so, you could interact with a far reaching group of folks already in our hobby who could be made aware of your streams via posts on this and other forums you post on.  Such video podcasting or live video streams might also encourage both newbie O gaugers  and those casual "holiday time" visitors to this and other model railroad forums to become activeand integral year round members of our hobby.

 

We have been video recording our Legacy meetings and putting them on YouTube for years.  This is nothing new to us.  The problem with interacting during a meeting is trying to split time between the live audience and the streaming audience as well as connection issues.  It also takes a lot of work if you want to properly incorporate slides, demo props, and other media into the program.  If you are just streaming as you walk through the halls or a locked off interview that lends itself better to the York show.

I would object to anyone running around with a camera getting in the way, disrupting the flow of traffic, the flow of the meet, and being obnoxious while doing so.  Unfortunately some people don't know when they are being obnoxious. 

A locked off shot at a booth would not be bad or a person who understands when and where they should stream.  Train World already does a lot of videos from York on Facebook.  

 

Marty

 

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The ED/TCA will probably not allow live streaming. As for the no photos or videos in the "members halls" what is that supposed to accomplish?  All that will be seen are tables full of trains and a bunch of mostly older guys walking around.  All other meets/shows thrive very well with people taking pictures and videos and they don't get the hysterical comments that some have here.

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MR_P posted:

It's like the meet is a masonic temple of the highest order super secret double probation meeting....

Don't talk about what happens behind closed colored  doors.....

All the while vendors, patrons , and guests lament about the "good ole days"

 

But everything to do with this: (emphasis added by me)

MartyE posted:

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I would object to anyone running around with a camera getting in the way, disrupting the flow of traffic, the flow of the meet, and being obnoxious while doing so.  Unfortunately some people don't know when they are being obnoxious. 

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-Dave

I think It is a great idea I have seen online some shows that folks streaming videos of the show, why not? This is mostly the other scales that are more into the new technology

It's time O gauge catch up with the times and use the new technologys .if you think I'm a young guy just supporting this think again, I'm 73 and love seeing new ways of doing things. 

LET'S GROW THE HOBBY OF O GAUGE AND THIS MAY BE ONE WAY OF DOING IT.

DAVID

 

Quaere:  would streamed video of the show be valuable as a means of showing persons who have never been to York the breadth of this show?  Possibly video taken before the opening bell, so all the "exhibits" ar easier to see?  No opinion--just a thought,

RJR posted:

Quaere:  would streamed video of the show be valuable as a means of showing persons who have never been to York the breadth of this show?  Possibly video taken before the opening bell, so all the "exhibits" ar easier to see?  No opinion--just a thought,

With a lot of the tables covered with tarps/tablecloths before the opening bell, I'd assume it would not help much to attract people in that form.

-Dave

trainroomgary posted:

1 YT Streaming Rules

If you are going to use YT Live Stream. I would like to suggest that you go to the YT Help Center and read all the rules and follow all the rules. 

Good Luck: Gary

Surely with the huge demand everyone  in favor sees for this, getting a mere 1000 people to subscribe to their YouTube channel before the event should be trivial! (right?)  

There have to be 1000's of people who want to know about York and will watch the whole live stream live, right?

-Dave

Dave45681 posted:
trainroomgary posted:

If you are going to use YT Live Stream. I would like to suggest that you go to the YT Help Center and read all the rules and follow all the rules. 

Good Luck: Gary

Surely with the huge demand everyone  in favor sees for this, getting a mere 1000 people to subscribe to their YouTube channel before the event should be trivial! (right?)  

There have to be 1000's of people who want to know about York and will watch the whole live stream live, right?

-Dave

Hi Dave:

Here you go.... all the rules...

Your channel's live streaming ability will be automatically turned off for any of the following reasons:

In addition, for channels that have a significant number of videos with features disabled, live streaming functionality may also be disabled. You can check if your channel has any strikes, and check whether you currently have access to live streaming here.

If your account has been restricted from live streaming, you're prohibited from using another channel to live stream on YouTube. This applies for as long as the restriction remains active on your account. Violation of this restriction is considered circumvention under our Terms of Service and may result in termination of your account. If you suggest that you'll live stream content that violates our Community Guidelines, we may age-restrict or remove your live stream. We will also remove live streams that show someone holding, handling, or transporting a firearm. 

"Made for kids" restrictions

If your channel or live stream’s audience is set as made for kids, some features will be turned off or restricted. These are just a few examples -- see a complete list of features here.

Disabled features

  • Live chat: Live chat, and subsequently, live chat replay and Super Chat.
  • Comments: Comments on live stream archives and upcoming streams. 
  • Reminder notifications: Reminder notifications for upcoming streams. 

Restricted features

  • Highlight videos: Highlight videos created from a source video set as made for kids will have the same restrictions as the original.
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david1 posted:

I think It is a great idea I have seen online some shows that folks streaming videos of the show, why not? This is mostly the other scales that are more into the new technology

It's time O gauge catch up with the times and use the new technologys .if you think I'm a young guy just supporting this think again, I'm 73 and love seeing new ways of doing things. 

LET'S GROW THE HOBBY OF O GAUGE AND THIS MAY BE ONE WAY OF DOING IT.

DAVID

 

I am also 73, David, and share your viewpoint!

ogaugeguy

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trainroomgary posted:
Dave45681 posted:
trainroomgary posted:

If you are going to use YT Live Stream. I would like to suggest that you go to the YT Help Center and read all the rules and follow all the rules. 

Good Luck: Gary

Surely with the huge demand everyone  in favor sees for this, getting a mere 1000 people to subscribe to their YouTube channel before the event should be trivial! (right?)  

There have to be 1000's of people who want to know about York and will watch the whole live stream live, right?

-Dave

Hi Dave:

Here you go.... all the rules...

Your channel's live streaming ability will be automatically turned off for any of the following reasons:

In addition, for channels that have a significant number of videos with features disabled, live streaming functionality may also be disabled. You can check if your channel has any strikes, and check whether you currently have access to live streaming here.

If your account has been restricted from live streaming, you're prohibited from using another channel to live stream on YouTube. This applies for as long as the restriction remains active on your account. Violation of this restriction is considered circumvention under our Terms of Service and may result in termination of your account. If you suggest that you'll live stream content that violates our Community Guidelines, we may age-restrict or remove your live stream. We will also remove live streams that show someone holding, handling, or transporting a firearm. 

"Made for kids" restrictions

If your channel or live stream’s audience is set as made for kids, some features will be turned off or restricted. These are just a few examples -- see a complete list of features here.

Disabled features

  • Live chat: Live chat, and subsequently, live chat replay and Super Chat.
  • Comments: Comments on live stream archives and upcoming streams. 
  • Reminder notifications: Reminder notifications for upcoming streams. 

Restricted features

  • Highlight videos: Highlight videos created from a source video set as made for kids will have the same restrictions as the original.
  • Ads: Personalized ads will be disabled on live streams and Premieres. Contextual ads may be shown.

Ads

As a reminder - Advertiser-Friendly Guidelines and Restrictions on Paid product placements and endorsements apply to live streams too.

Gary: A YouTube Creator & Partner

Thank you, Gary, for taking the time and effort to share this information with everyone reading this thread. Perhaps someone will likewise share here both Facebook's and Instagram's guidlines too, as well as those from Parthenon. 

ogaugeguy

LCCA


 




This is a stupid idea,  from the standpoint of what "Dave45681" has astutely observed. For some it would be annoying to have to "move along" in an aisle even politely for some videographer. It is a meet NOT a TV Studio!  While I agree that a live stream might influence "those on the fence" to come and experience York for themselves, there could rightly soon be many folks taking up the "live streaming" idea and crowding/blocking the aisles (and traveling opposite the MIGHTY arrows).

 Looking through the viewfinder and not watching where you are going? Much like those yakking on the cell phone believing the are safely driving.

Doing this for YouTube money?

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To give a counterpoint to some of the objections, what if TCA  itself did the streaming/programs? Fixed webcams are an option, where people could check in and see what was going on, but why not do it inside TCA itself? Interview industry people there, maybe stream things like seminars or presentations, show some of the layouts, the new products, etc? To be honest, I don't think  it would be wise to have "youtubers" (ie people with channels or Instagram channels) in there doing it (though to be honest, given the average age of attendance at train shows, I don't think that would be much of a problem).  If Lionel or MTH or someone else gives a presentation, as long as they are agreeable to it (can't see why they wouldn't be, free publicity), why not stream it? Yeah, I can see the grumbling of some, that they spent the money and the time to go, why should anyone get it for "free", etc. If it is done by TCA they would be in control of where and when they shot, and also would be permanently available on You Tube where others might come across it.

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C'mon now....Live streaming or taking video will be very hazardous to your health.   What happens in York stays in York!!!  

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As Greg stated what happens at York stays at York. Live streaming would document how many K Line cabooses I buy at one time (Mrs Red Jimmy requests...roll the videotape...lol) and people seeing the secret handshake, or me wearing my moldy green fried scrapple hat just to snub Mikat1 or Farmer Bill...

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