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I have a really nice set of Lionel CB&O (6-19122 to 19127) California Zephyr Aluminum Cars.  I don’t have a dedicated loco to pull them, and haven’t been able to locate the correct one in O Gauge.

I am considering a newMTH 30-1776-1 4-8-4 Imperial GS-4 Northern, or an MTH 30-1695-1 4-6-4 Imperial Streamlined Hudson Steam Engine, or an MTH 30-1699-1 Reading 4-6-2 Crusader Steam Engine.  My choices are listed in order of preference.

 

What are your thoughts or ideas?  I have a couple of MTH Proto 3 steamers and am very pleased with the operation, sound and smoke capabilities in conventional operation.

 

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Bob,

Remember, this is a hobby, and one can do what ever makes one happy. If you are a purest, then you really should pull these with CB&Q diesels, such as E7's or E8's. You can also use the silver painted CB&Q F3's.

But if you just enjoy the hobby for what it is, and want to run these with other engines, then I say, "just do it".  You can justify running these cars behind the Freedom GS4 and just tell others, "It's an excursion train".

So enjoy the hobby and the cars. Model railroading is suppose to be fun.

RAY

I model the CB&Q, and am completing an upgrade to a Lionel F3 A/B/A set. I enjoy doing custom modeling to better represent the engines or cars I model. But that's me. I don't believe in criticizing others that enjoy running non-prototypical correct train sets. 

I've been looking for the Lionel dome observation, Silver Lookout for almost a year now, but have yet to find one. Where did you get yours?

 

RAY

I model the CB&Q, and am completing an upgrade to a Lionel F3 A/B/A set. I enjoy doing custom modeling to better represent the engines or cars I model. But that's me. I don't believe in criticizing others that enjoy running non-prototypical correct train sets. 

I've been looking for the Lionel dome observation, Silver Lookout for almost a year now, but have yet to find one. Where did you get yours?

Ray, I bought mine sometime back from TRAINZAUCTIONS (online).  It took me two separate auctions to collect the eight cars I have.  I think I spent a total of about $300 for all eight cars including shipping and Trainz's 18% "buyers fee".  But, it was worth the price, considering the asking prices over at eBay.  These cars come up quite often on the Trainz site.  I found one guy, somewhere near Cleveland that wanted about 12 or 15 hundred bucks for the complete set.  I almost fell off my chair when he told me the price.  After a few days, he called me back and had lowered the asking price to $500, and I told him what I paid for mine.  I think he got very depressed after that.

These cars NEVER ran behind steam?  Not in blizzard, flood.... rerouting..on any of the the Q, or subsidiary C&S, and were not Q cars hauled through on Rio Grande and West. Pac. track?  Wonder if any Cal. Zeph. photos of special situations can be found, behind Grande, WP, ...who knows...ATSF or UP power on their tracks..if afloat in the moat, or too deep to plow.

You could look for one of the 30-1694-1 Burlington Imperial Streamlined Hudsons instead of the Santa Fe version you listed. The Burlington version is all silver and would match more closely to the cars. On top of that, it's similar to an actual Burlington prototype named Aeolus. Just search Chicago Burlington and Quincy Aeolus on Google to see pictures of the real thing with streamlined and heavyweight passenger cars.

colorado hirailer posted:

These cars NEVER ran behind steam?  Not in blizzard, flood.... rerouting..on any of the the Q, or subsidiary C&S, and were not Q cars hauled through on Rio Grande and West. Pac. track?  Wonder if any Cal. Zeph. photos of special situations can be found, behind Grande, WP, ...who knows...ATSF or UP power on their tracks..if afloat in the moat, or too deep to plow.

There was a. Photo in Classic Trains several years back of the CZ detouring on the SP with a Cab Forward piloting the WP F-Units.

Rusty

Not that it matters much for purposes of this thread, but it should be noted that not all CBQ E8s / E9s were plated.  CBQ Bulletin #11 has the numbers of which ones that were and which were not.

Also don't forget the D&RGW locomotives and Western Pacific locomotives that did pull the CZ Zephyr.  F3s, F7s, FP7s, F9s and as I recall D&RGW PA's for a brief period.

For the CZ cars pulled consistently by steam, I would recommend a PRR K4s.  The through sleepers than ran to NYC were pulled behind a few PRR NY-CHI trains.

However, it is your railroad.  As was mentioned by Allan, always go with your first choice.  Why settle for something less enjoyable?

Bob Severin posted:

Ray, I bought mine sometime back from TRAINZAUCTIONS (online).  It took me two separate auctions to collect the eight cars I have.  I think I spent a total of about $300 for all eight cars including shipping and Trainz's 18% "buyers fee".  But, it was worth the price, considering the asking prices over at eBay.  These cars come up quite often on the Trainz site.  I found one guy, somewhere near Cleveland that wanted about 12 or 15 hundred bucks for the complete set.  I almost fell off my chair when he told me the price.  After a few days, he called me back and had lowered the asking price to $500, and I told him what I paid for mine.  I think he got very depressed after that.

I'm curious - you said you bought Lionel cars 19122-19127 (a six car set, but you say you have 8 cars - apparently you bought two duplicates). However, the passenger car you pictured in your opening post is not from that set. Did you list the wrong numbers, or did you display a picture of a different car?

breezinup posted:
Bob Severin posted:

Ray, I bought mine sometime back from TRAINZAUCTIONS (online).  It took me two separate auctions to collect the eight cars I have.  I think I spent a total of about $300 for all eight cars including shipping and Trainz's 18% "buyers fee".  But, it was worth the price, considering the asking prices over at eBay.  These cars come up quite often on the Trainz site.  I found one guy, somewhere near Cleveland that wanted about 12 or 15 hundred bucks for the complete set.  I almost fell off my chair when he told me the price.  After a few days, he called me back and had lowered the asking price to $500, and I told him what I paid for mine.  I think he got very depressed after that.

I'm curious - you said you bought Lionel cars 19122-19127 (a six car set, but you say you have 8 cars - apparently you bought two duplicates). However, the passenger car you pictured in your opening post is not from that set. Did you list the wrong numbers, or did you display a picture of a different car?

OOPS!  The numbers are correct.  The picture was wrong.  I do have two Silver Pony cars, and a total of only 7,  not eight.  I had thought that there were two Silver Sky cars.  The picture below is the correct representation of the cars I have.  I hope that this clears up any confusion.

 

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