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Thanks for all of your suggestions. You gave me a lot to think about and study to help me reach a decision. I've decided on a Lionel Pennsylvania C Liner. Have a good weekend!

Well, it’s your railroad and your choice, but that C-Liner isn’t exactly sensible.

Fairbanks-Morse made freight and passenger versions of its C-Liner. PRR ordered 16 A units, specifically CFA-16-4 models (with the F denoting “freight, 16 denoting 1,600 HP and 4 referring to the number of axles).

Fairbanks-Morse did produce passenger C-Liners for the US market, but those were five-axle higher horsepower units, CPA-24-5 and CPA-20-5. PRR had none of those.

Also, the “Madison” cars, more universally known as heavyweight passenger cars, were severely outdated by the time F-M began marketing C-Liners.

Why ask the forum would locomotives would go best with your Madison cars only to make a choice no one recommends?

Jim, I apologize for frustrating/irritating you and anyone else who feels as Jim does. I really do appreciate the time and thought all of you into responding to my question. I'm not a purist. I'll phrase future questions to reflect that. To answer your question, I also talked with friends here in Minneapolis and Indianapolis. The C-Liner came up during those discussions. In the end, I liked how the C-Liner looked. Thanks for taking the time to let me know your thoughts.

@Jim R. posted:

Why ask the forum would locomotives would go best with your Madison cars only to make a choice no one recommends?

Because he can. Just because someone asks the members of the forum for a suggestion doesn't mean they are obligated to follow the advise given or only consider suggestions posted here. What if he chose a loco recommended here and passed on the C-Liners his local friends recommended. Should they be ****ed about it? I don't think so. Why give someone a hard time because they didn't choose something recommended here?

Jim, I apologize for frustrating/irritating you and anyone else who feels as Jim does. I really do appreciate the time and thought all of you into responding to my question. I'm not a purist. I'll phrase future questions to reflect that. To answer your question, I also talked with friends here in Minneapolis and Indianapolis. The C-Liner came up during those discussions. In the end, I liked how the C-Liner looked. Thanks for taking the time to let me know your thoughts.

No frustration on my part. Personally, I love the C-Liners and might make the same choice as you, without asking anyone for their ideas in the first place. That’s how I create imagined excursion trains, or beer trains hauled by a Pennsy A5 steam switcher with a caboose. The title of your post suggested you were asking for practical information, that’s all.

The only thing is, C-Liners made in O guage are full scale models that I am aware of. They will tower over "Madison" heavyweight cars. Hopefully the O.P. is aware of this. Good luck to the O.P.

I guess that depends on if those are scale heavyweight cars.  Personally, I'd probably pick the K-4 or Atlantic for the job, though the GG1 wouldn't be a bad choice.

By the way, Steve, if you like those C-Liners, MTH made a nice Milwaukee Road set that might appeal to you if you also are interested in a Twin Cities connection.

Again, they were freight locomotives from the Milwaukee Road’s perspective, but if you end up with some Milwaukee Road passenger cars in the future, you could use the C-Liners with those cars, from a nonpurists perspective. Erie-Builts were used to haul the railroad’s passenger trains in the late 1940s, so there is a Fairbanks-Morse connection.

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The only thing is, C-Liners made in O guage are full scale models that I am aware of. They will tower over "Madison" heavyweight cars. Hopefully the O.P. is aware of this. Good luck to the O.P.

I’m not usually concerned with size differences between engines and cars but when I watched a few videos on the New Hope & Ivyland set, the size difference is very noticeable.  So noticeable that I agree it is worth pointing out to the original poster.

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