I find info on #2957 pre war caboose with older style couplers but nothing with the new for 1946 couplers. Thanks Don
Were they made post war? I think its just a matter of swapping out the trucks with some from a post war car. If you want a better more accurate car you could use the trucks from a Lionel plastic NYC 19000 caboose but you would have to move the mounting point inboard were they should be and where they were on the 717 caboose.
Well, if they exist they likely had whirly wheels and flying shoes.
I checked the '46 catalog and it was actually called a 2857. There is a photo of the Berkshire set online from an auction site so they do exist. Likely very rare though to have real one.
A 2957 semi scale caboose was made I believe from 1940-1942. I came only with box couplers. There was never a postwar one with knuckle couplers. Not sure if this was what you are asking about here.
Eddie, it was called a 2857 and came in this set. It was also cataloged as a separate sale item. Search on 2857 for more info.
Is the frame stamped with 2857? A number of cars were released right after the war with their pre war bodies and numbers unchanged but cataloged with a new number. Tank cars and auto box come to mind. I would think the trucks on your car didn't come along until a year later. Even with plain wheels they should have flying shoe pickups. This may just be a 2957 with coil coupler trucks.
That is the mold number. The item number would probably be rubber stamped on the bottom or on the sides in the small printing at the end. I have one at home I will have to check when I get home tonight. On the caboose the trucks are easily changed so a number stamped on the body or an original box are the only ways to tell for sure what it’s origin is.
The two 2857s I have seen at auction sites that were part of the Berkshire set were both stamped 2957 on the sides, which is why I mentioned some pre war items were unchanged in the post war era but usually had some other number to identify them with their post war catalog number.
I checked my semi scale caboose with postwar trucks. It is marked on the side 2957 with no other markings on it. The trucks are staple end coil coupler trucks with standard wheels and axles. In my notes from when I got the car I wrote that was sold to me as a postwar caboose, but I had no way to verify that. It did not come with a box.
I just checked my David Doyle, and McComas & Touhy, plus the website Postwarlionel.com and none of the reference the 2857 Caboose yet clearly it exists both in the 46 Catalog and actual rolling stock.
I have no Greenbergs, does he make mention of them?
Further research shows while the 2857 was pictured in the catalog, it was never produced, the Berkshire set delivered with a 2457 PRR tin caboose. It would follow that the ones shown so far are pre war 2957s with post war trucks.
The 2957 caboose was never made with postwar trucks. The reason you find them with postwar trucks is because someone changed the trucks, PERIOD.
Also there was never a 2857.
In my Lionel 1946 catalog they show in two places a #2857. One with a set and one separate sale. I have had two 2957 with post war trucks. The frame and sides say 2957. Don
All kind of interesting. I have a 717 with truck-mounted couplers and a brass Williams repro with Lionel 717 trucks. Both are stunningly good looking models. I suspect the Williams is less expensive, but it looks almost as good - maybe better in some respects. The Williams started out as a repro 2957.
Greenberg’s Guide (1945-1969) reads:
“2957 N Y C Circa 1946, originally manufactured 1940-42, refitted with postwar staple-end trucks with coil couplers by either Lionel service stations or owner. This caboose style, with considerable differences was revived by Lionel, Inc. in 1986 in New York Central and Boston & Albany versions.”