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I grew up in south jersey, among other places.   I remember seeing the PRSL DRS 4-4-15's on passenger trains, pulliung P70's.  No one has made the DRS 4-4-15 in O gauge, but MTH made a railking scale AS-616, which is pretty close.    I have Golden Gate PRSL P70 coaches here, and just a very few PRSL B60 baggage cars.  I could do a special run of the Railking Scale AS-616 in PRSL, which has never been done AFAIK.  I would be able to do 2 road numbers, and would have to pre-sell 20 pieces to make it viable.   3 rail, Proto 3.0  Selling price around $339-$349. per unit.  Discount for buying 2 units.   Any interest? 

This would be possible in 3 rail only, so please dont tell me u want it in 2 rail. Its not doable.   If there's another road name you'd like to see the AS-616 in, feel free to let me know if its something u think i can get 20 pieces pre-ordered.  Just wanting 1 piece yourself, and think "other people will want this" doesnt count.

LMK

thanks,

beth

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Beth, we met at York a few years back.  I bought a (then) Weaver PRSL 60' baggage car from you.  I think this is the same tolling that Lionel is now using.

As for the Railking AS-616 in PRSL livery, the Holly Beach Train Depot in Wildwood, NJ (a stop on the PRSL Cape May branch) is doing a second run of these as we speak.   The website is www.hollybeachtraindepot.com.  I was lucky enough to get one from the first run, and have several on order from the second run. 

He has also done a bunch of fictitious PRSL rolling stock items, all MTH.

Just about anything used by the PRSL is available in O Scale.

That said, anything prototypical from the PRSL, and I'm in!

Pete

If I may be so forward.....Beth, please don’t be so fast to move on from a potential future PRSL project. I have purchased one PRSL item from Larry in Wildwood. Wonderful experience. Now I know to look for his second run. But I ask you look to for something else. The history of rail in NJ is so immense and so often overlooked. For many of us, or family and friends, ancestors traveled to the beach by way of PRSL and their predecessor and competing lines. Good stuff here. Planting seeds. I’m hoping you harvest one. I’m all in and will pre order if you find something that Larry isn’t doing. Stay close if time permits.

In my mind, the PRSL baldwins were so classic.  I still have some Golden gate PRSL P70's in stock.  They are real P70's...not some heavyweight car painted PRSL.    Everything imaginable has been done in PRR, Reading and CNJ. There have been a few shortlines in southern NJ. but they are rather recent (by RR time lines) and dont know how much of a following they have.

Right now im having MTH do SW-1500's in TRRA and IHB for me (idk how they ever missed doing these 2 huge midwest terminal RR's) , and they are doing RS-1's in Morristown and Erie, and Black River and Western..two long established NJ shortlines...for me also..  

Ive asked MTH about doing some smaller diesels in 2 rail...but no go so far.  It would be some new tooling and design, and i dont think they want to go there.

Waiting for Atlas to do some smaller diesels in 2 rail might be a while, and for some reason, they are not as receptive to doing special runs.  IDK why, but some  ppl have gone to MTH for special runs after being pushed away by atlas.   Atlas will be able to do the MTH engines they bought tooling for pretty quickly.  ...which means the possibility of 2 rail GP-38's and GP-40's, but nothing smaller than that.

I really like doing shortline, regional, and terminal railroads.   AS-616's there's Trona, Sierra, and some logging RR's in the PNW, like OC&E, etc.

SD-9's...hardly any shortline usage that I can think of.

If anyone wants to pitch ideas to me..have at it...  The possibilities right now in engines are...AS=616, SD-9's, GP-7/9's.  These are all railking scale.  So far..i jumpped on the SW1500's and the RS-1's cause they are later tooling and more detailed than the other's, which are earlier tooling.   The MP15 and MP15AC's are possibilities, but Im not a big fan of either.

Please remember if suggesting...I need to get pre-orders for about 20 pieces to make it all viable. So dont suggest anything that u just want 1 of, and dont know if anyone else would be interested.

In my mind, the PRSL baldwins were so classic.  I still have some Golden gate PRSL P70's in stock.  They are real P70's...not some heavyweight car painted PRSL.    Everything imaginable has been done in PRR, Reading and CNJ. There have been a few shortlines in southern NJ. but they are rather recent (by RR time lines) and dont know how much of a following they have.

Right now im having MTH do SW-1500's in TRRA and IHB for me (idk how they ever missed doing these 2 huge midwest terminal RR's) , and they are doing RS-1's in Morristown and Erie, and Black River and Western..two long established NJ shortlines...for me also..  

Ive asked MTH about doing some smaller diesels in 2 rail...but no go so far.  It would be some new tooling and design, and i dont think they want to go there.

Waiting for Atlas to do some smaller diesels in 2 rail might be a while, and for some reason, they are not as receptive to doing special runs.  IDK why, but some  ppl have gone to MTH for special runs after being pushed away by atlas.   Atlas will be able to do the MTH engines they bought tooling for pretty quickly.  ...which means the possibility of 2 rail GP-38's and GP-40's, but nothing smaller than that.

I really like doing shortline, regional, and terminal railroads.   AS-616's there's Trona, Sierra, and some logging RR's in the PNW, like OC&E, etc.

SD-9's...hardly any shortline usage that I can think of.

If anyone wants to pitch ideas to me..have at it...  The possibilities right now in engines are...AS=616, SD-9's, GP-7/9's.  These are all railking scale.  So far..i jumpped on the SW1500's and the RS-1's cause they are later tooling and more detailed than the other's, which are earlier tooling.   The MP15 and MP15AC's are possibilities, but Im not a big fan of either.

Please remember if suggesting...I need to get pre-orders for about 20 pieces to make it all viable. So dont suggest anything that u just want 1 of, and dont know if anyone else would be interested.

How about a PRSL Baldwin S12? I would like to get a few more prsl p70s myself

Personally I stick with 4 wheel trucks on the RailKing stuff because the 6 wheel trucks are blind on the inner pairs.  Hearing those click on and off the rails drives me nuts.

I wonder if they could do an AS-616 as a B-B to get close to a DRS-4-4-1500?

While I don’t think the PRSL ever rostered any VO-1000s the PRR did, so it’s not out of the realm of possibilities, and at least it’s a Baldwin.

P.S. I guess this is what you envisioned?  

http://thedieselshop.us/PRSL.HTML

Beth,

I don’t know how you can say that CNJ has been overdone, it is one of the most underrepresented RRs in 3 rail by the big three. No Wooten fireboxes on anything other than a camelback and that’s only a 4-6-0. How about a heavy mikado, light pacifics, all the steam switchers. Never been a dual cab or babyface baldwin. How about freight cars, other than hoppers, in colors other than “coastguard red”?

With the RS-3's being done in the EL Black/yellow, do u think there would be enough demand for the EL "1100's"  in EL black/yellow also.   The EL baldwins were in the buffalo area mostly.  I remember one getting down to Croxton only once.  The only other baldwain carbody's around were the B65 and B66 slugs.    I still have 3 or 4 of the black/yellow RS-3's available for pre-order.

beth

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Beth,

I don’t know how you can say that CNJ has been overdone, it is one of the most underrepresented RRs in 3 rail by the big three. No Wooten fireboxes on anything other than a camelback and that’s only a 4-6-0. How about a heavy mikado, light pacifics, all the steam switchers. Never been a dual cab or babyface baldwin. How about freight cars, other than hoppers, in colors other than “coastguard red”?

Have you looked at my website?  CNJ flat cars, TOFC,s, 40 and 50' box cars, bunkerless 40' reefers. I think there is still an ex-LNE covered hopper.   There are some black 50' gondolas here too, just not up on the web right now.  As for engines...A babyface baldwin would be all new tooling, so that's not gonna happen.   And Steam....well, im not a steam expert at all and dont pretend to be. As for doing special runs on steam engines...thats outta my price range...

In diesel engines there's been RS-3's in all 3 colors, SD-40's, 35's, F units in both schemes, GP-7's, the RSD4's, F-M's, VO's, and SW's.   Seems The baldwin AS-16/616 is the only thing that hasnt been done.

beth

Ok Beth! Heres one for you! Since MTH started making their own line of diesels from the early 1990's there has only been ONE [1] run of Conrail GP38's and that was in the Quality Scheme and with PS1 electronics.

You could do various Conrail GP38-2 in

1] "plain jane" Conrail scheme

2] Conrail with Operation Lifesaver logo on the long hood

3] Conrail GP38 with yellow Pilot - the Standard Oil switcher

4] Conrail GP38-2 Philly division with logo

5] Conrail GP38-2 white frame stripe.

Ok Beth! Heres one for you! Since MTH started making their own line of diesels from the early 1990's there has only been ONE [1] run of Conrail GP38's and that was in the Quality Scheme and with PS1 electronics.

You could do various Conrail GP38-2 in

1] "plain jane" Conrail scheme

2] Conrail with Operation Lifesaver logo on the long hood

3] Conrail GP38 with yellow Pilot - the Standard Oil switcher

4] Conrail GP38-2 Philly division with logo

5] Conrail GP38-2 white frame stripe.

MTH sold the Premier GP38-2 tooling to Atlas so we will have to wait for them to get ready or announce the GP38-2 before we can ask for special runs from Atlas.

A good approximation of an AS-16 is possible using Alco RS-27 running gear. I made a sheet brass chassis to fit the AS-616 body

and copied the truck openings and Gen 1 Protosound mounting holes from a 1997 vintage RS-27 chassis, and transferred the

pieces.

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The trick would be to get stamped AS-616 chassis without the 6 wheel truck mounting holes ( not impossible but you have to find

out who ( Atlas? ) is getting the AS-616 and RS-27 tooling. )

Modern computer controlled machining processes like abrasive water-jet machining could do the hole machining cheaply on

small batches of chassis.

The 2015 RS-27 chassis (below) is 5/16 inch shorter than an AS-616, so the same internal layout will work.

The exhaust stacks of each engine are roughly within one inch of each other ( compare photos ) and there appears to be

room to move the smoke unit around on the chassis, so even the smoke unit might possibly be kept with the proper body

adapter.  It's do-able.

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The black truck sides you see on my AS-16 are from a FA-2  They're the same size as the original truck sides that came with my RS-27 which were gray.  ( I drilled and tapped the bottom screw mount black truck sides to work with my old style top screw mount trucks. )

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( for 2 axle truck )( PRR )( # 9618 )( # 9619 )( # 9618B )          https://www.mthtrains.com/30-2173-1

https://www.mthtrains.com/30-2173-3

I'm 99% sure MTH doesn't have a different truck for the Sharknose since the truck side width to height proportions

seem to be the same.

DB-2260001 scale

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