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Not unexpected.
George
That’s unfortunate but the correct decision for the current situation. Time to cancel those reservations and make new bookings for April and hope for the best.
Let’s look on the bright side. When April 2020 was cancelled I took that money I had saved and was going to add it to my saved October money. Now I’ll add all that money to my April 2021 saved money and certainly have my pockets full. I just pray I live that long to spend it.👍
Ron....I went ahead and made this a featured topic. Thanks!
Funny somehow I find myself not really being upset about it. I'm finding I didn't really miss it. Never did rebook my room for October. Maybe absence will make the heart grow fonder of it. Until then I 'll spend locally and support the forum.
If they did decide to have it I probably would have went anyways though.
This is probably a good decision with all that’s happening with the current Pandemic, and will hopefully allow our great medical staff time to prepare a quality vaccine to prevent more spreading. Yes, trains are Fun, however our health and others health are of the utmost importance. Sorry to hear it’s canceled, but hopefully by April 2021 We can have a safe and fun time seeing our friends, our vendors, and of course the trains. Stay safe, stay healthy, Pray Continually. Happy Railroading
All my York funds have gone to purchases at hobby shops this year plus some nice pieces I have picked up at a few of the online auctions.
With the demographics of our hobby, and the fact that this is "toy trains for fun and enrichment" except for those in the business, it's a good decision.
Not a surprise.....let’s just hope and pray one of these vaccines works out.
Cancelling is the right thing to do......but I feel for all the York merchants and residents who depend on these kind of “trade shows” to give a kick to their businesses.....
See you all in April, I hope.....
Peter
Shocking
I already discounted the Fall York, there's no way it could go forward in this environment. Time to change the hotel reservations... AGAIN!
That's no surprise. Did anyone really expect to see a fall show this year?
Smart decision. In addition to the medical risks, it avoids the possibility that a large segment of train folks would have stayed away anyway, which would have been a major blow.
Reservations for April have been made - the date falls in what might be my first week of retirement.
Fingers crossed and hoping for the best.
I even got a better rate for the new April reservations, that was a nice surprise, $100 more to spend at the meet.
Unfortunately I think the 2020 train show season is a wash but better to be safe and ride out the storm.
Sorry about the show but it think its a Good call!
If you want the York experience, crawl under your layout or go into the closet where you store the unused items, pack them in the trunk of your car and drive around the block, maybe a jaunt on the interstate, stop at a fast food restaurant (make sure you pay too much) on October 23rd and then bring them back into the house. You'll be surprised what you forgot you have already.
Lets hope we get the vaccine by the end of the year. I believe that the April meet is the week of April 18th. The meet being on April 22nd, 23rd & 24th.
Now I have to call the Wyndham again.
Well, Ken Jr and company will hopefully give us another great virtual York come October. That we can look forward to.
Maybe I can finally go to York next Spring, and meet some Forumites at the gatherings. I want to take Neal Schorr's scenic route across Pennsylvania and visit relatives, too, so, if it's again safe to travel and gather, it'll be a winner.
Let's see, . . . 2-lane Pennsylvania, Altoona, Strasburg, Steamtown (Alcos), Philly, Palmyra, Chautauqua, Pittsburgh, and then maybe zig zagging along the Santa Fe from Chicago to Kansas City . . . that ought to be 5,000+ enjoyable miles.
I am going anyway. I will park outside the orange hall and social distance. Hope to hit some of the great hobby shops out east and enjoy a week off (I have the vacation days and need to get out of the house!).
See ya in April...
@Number 90 posted:Maybe I can finally go to York next Spring, and meet some Forumites at the gatherings. I want to take Neal Schorr's scenic route across Pennsylvania and visit relatives, too, so, if it's again safe to travel and gather, it'll be a winner.
Let's see, . . . 2-lane Pennsylvania, Altoona, Strasburg, Steamtown (Alcos), Philly, Palmyra, Chautauqua, Pittsburgh, and then maybe zig zagging along the Santa Fe from Chicago to Kansas City . . . that ought to be 5,000+ enjoyable miles.
Tom:
I hope that after 5,000 miles together in the car, you and Mrs. 90 would still be talking to each other when you get home to Texas. 😉
Seriously; having grown up in PA along the old PRR Middle Division, the state is a must for anyone with an appreciation for railroading.
Curt
@trestleking posted:Shocking
Oh yes, quite shocking.
We're finally going to have a train meet here in my region. Unless it's cancelled at the last second (or my plans change) I'll be making the trip to Jacksonville, AR on Sept 5 with a pocket full of cash.
Of course, to offset the cost of fuel and eats to get there, you have to purchase more items so the savings from lack of shipping charges (on the Bay) make it worth your while. Example: I'll probably spend $40 to get there and back. So, I need to spend the equivalent amount in saved eBay shipping charges. It's like being able to purchase product with your shipping charges.
I've got this figured out perfectly in order to justify my spending.
Andre
No surprise here. I hope everything is well on its way back to normal by April.
Stay safe everyone.
-Greg
@MartyE posted:If you want the York experience, crawl under your layout or go into the closet where you store the unused items, pack them in the trunk of your car and drive around the block, maybe a jaunt on the interstate, stop at a fast food restaurant (make sure you pay too much) on October 23rd and then bring them back into the house. You'll be surprised what you forgot you have already.
Don't forget to put price tags on them which reflect prices from 15-20 years ago.
@Super O Bob posted:I am going anyway. I will park outside the orange hall and social distance. Hope to hit some of the great hobby shops out east and enjoy a week off (I have the vacation days and need to get out of the house!).
See ya in April...
If you're coming as far east as Boston to visit Charles Ro, make sure you call first. They are currently still only doing mail order and curbside pick-up.
@laming posted:Oh yes, quite shocking.
We're finally going to have a train meet here in my region. Unless it's cancelled at the last second (or my plans change) I'll be making the trip to Jacksonville, AR on Sept 5 with a pocket full of cash.
Of course, to offset the cost of fuel and eats to get there, you have to purchase more items so the savings from lack of shipping charges (on the Bay) make it worth your while. Example: I'll probably spend $40 to get there and back. So, I need to spend the equivalent amount in saved eBay shipping charges. It's like being able to purchase product with your shipping charges.
I've got this figured out perfectly in order to justify my spending.
Andre
Andre,
The Jacksonville,Arkansas train Show is Saturday and Sunday, August 22 and 23, from 9:00 am until 4:00 pm! The meet is sold out but smaller than usual due to spacing of tables and fewer club layouts. Only a limited amount of people will be allowed in at once. I will be there helping Craig and the gang from Arkansas Traveller Hobbies! Stop by and say HI!!
Ricky
Well, here's to a really big York meet when this all over!
@Ricky Tanner posted:Andre,
The Jacksonville,Arkansas train Show is Saturday and Sunday, August 22 and 23, from 9:00 am until 4:00 pm! The meet is sold out but smaller than usual due to spacing of tables and fewer club layouts. Only a limited amount of people will be allowed in at once. I will be there helping Craig and the gang from Arkansas Traveller Hobbies! Stop by and say HI!!
Ricky
Wow! My friend that told me about it must have got it wrong.
It's going to be hard for the host organization to limit admittance.
If they do so with diligence, then I know I would not be willing to make the drive, then wait and wait, and not get it in, or only get in with an hour to go and the tables are picked over.
Hm. May need to reconsider.
Thanks very much for your information, Ricky. This is a new set of circumstances. I'll have to rethink my hair-brained idea of a road trip (3+ hours one way) to a train meet.
Andre
No surprise on this October York cancelation. Looking forward to the York show in October 2021.
Im not planning on a York in April. There are many requirements to safely meet and probably problems that are yet to be discovered. And the logistics of manufacturing and distributing the cure will be an enormous task.
I would love to be wrong.
@Jim 1939 posted:That's no surprise. Did anyone really expect to see a fall show this year?
Yeah, I think a few people did. A pal of mine, who often has only passing familiarity with reality as we'd define it, was utterly flabbergasted. But this is a guy who still thinks there'll be a full season of pro/college football this fall.
I'd think most people, if they're smart, have written off every public event of any kind until well into 2021 (and frankly, I'm betting on much further than that).
@laming posted:Wow! My friend that told me about it must have got it wrong.
It's going to be hard for the host organization to limit admittance.
If they do so with diligence, then I know I would not be willing to make the drive, then wait and wait, and not get it in, or only get in with an hour to go and the tables are picked over.
Hm. May need to reconsider.
Thanks very much for your information, Ricky. This is a new set of circumstances. I'll have to rethink my hair-brained idea of a road trip (3+ hours one way) to a train meet.
Andre
No,don't reconsider ! Just come on down! The organizer is a retired Air Force Colonel. This is the 10th show he's organized and believe me when I say it is truly a well run show with military precision. It is a large,spacious venue and everyone's safety and well being has been considered. Last year there were about 20 layouts and 190+ tables. I will personally make sure you get in!
Having already missed the April York meet, I wonder if there is counseling for those of us who can't really face missing another one?
@p51 posted:
I'd think most people, if they're smart, have written off every public event of any kind until well into 2021 (and frankly, I'm betting on much further than that).
suum cuique
Sad times.
And then we devolve into another thread of predictions of when this cr@p will end.
How about we take it one announcement at a time?
After all, if you want to predict the ultimate doom and gloom, this could go on for 50 years or more, depending on how successful the vaccine(s) is(are). Anyone writing next April off already, what makes you think October 2021, or April 2022, or even October 2030 will be any different?
Obviously with things still like this, a decision for 2 months out was likely going to end like this. Predicting we will be in the same exact boat 6 months from now is one heck of a lot of pessimism.
(hopefully there is not a spot for the vaccine on the shelf next to the non-existent HIV/AIDS vaccine that people have been trying to develop since the early 80's) Of course by then, we'll have 2 to 2 1/2 generations lost since no one can safely get close to one another.
(sarcasm/rant mode off).
I predict that there will be a meet in April. I think we will have the vaccine before the end of the year.
I was not surprised to hear this at all.Hopefully we will be able to have the April meet.Stay safe everyone.
The Christmas show at the Tennessee State Fairgrounds put on by the Music City Chapter of the TCA has been canceled also.
I have no idea when I will attend my next York Meet. As much as I have appreciated the York experience in the past, I will appreciate the next time infinitely more, whenever it happens.
OK....I have gotten several alerts to this thread. It is not a thread about the virus and when/if we get one, and how it is affecting everything in our lives! This thread is an announcement about York being called off for this fall....obviously because of the virus. No need to discuss any other off topic comments about the virus in general. I left this topic open but was warned I should close it.....looks like that warning was spot on. Keep your comments about YORK....please!
I understand and believe it to be a wise decision to cancel the meet, however I seem to be having serious withdrawal symptoms. I love shopping eBay for train items but it’s not the same as getting down at eye level to make a decision about a vintage item. Then you have the layouts and most important is the social aspect, the people you see at every show, my wife calls them “train friends”. I don’t believe this pandemic will change any time soon, but on the bright side I have been spending more time with my trains and on the forum which softens the blow a little.
@gunrunnerjohn posted:I even got a better rate for the new April reservations, that was a nice surprise, $100 more to spend at the meet.
Yep. I did pretty well for a re-booking for April, '21.
I'm not a pessimist generally, but I have some major doubt about traveling from LAX to BWI in April really will be something that I can/will do.
Being Pennsylvania reside and knowing Gov. Wolf I Predicted 2 months ago That the October York would be canceled .Also I believe The April 2021Show will also be canceled If things do not improve I think we have a better shot of Having a show in the fall Of 2021.
Dave
Maybe not having York or like events for a short time is good for all. Makes one think about what are the real values of life....
For some time now I thought the October York would be cancelled. Taking a positive perspective, the April York might be really interesting. IMO, the "big guys" like Lionel and MTH took over what had been a train meet. Anyone remember back when Mike was a dealer under the grandstands? With Lionel and others pulling out of the spring York, and MTH being out of the business, York may change into something quite different. It will be interesting to see what it is. I would not expect the bandit shows to return, but one never knows.
Gerry
I'm not a total optimist, I did book for April with cancelable reservations.
@gunrunnerjohn posted:I'm not a total optimist, I did book for April with cancelable reservations.
Me too!
I am disappointed, but not surprised.
@david1 posted:Being Pennsylvania reside and knowing Gov. Wolf I Predicted 2 months ago That the October York would be canceled .Also I believe The April 2021Show will also be canceled If things do not improve I think we have a better shot of Having a show in the fall Of 2021.
Dave
Agree, if many of the Governors stick to their policy of only a vaccine, add in the time for immunity to develop, most meets will be cancelled. Buy or sell what you want now. OGR advertisers, OGR Forum, local stores. Never could understand the only York to sell things, especially when everyone that returns claims they got super deals!
@david1 posted:Being Pennsylvania reside and knowing Gov. Wolf I Predicted 2 months ago That the October York would be canceled .Also I believe The April 2021Show will also be canceled If things do not improve I think we have a better shot of Having a show in the fall Of 2021.
Dave
I wouldn’t get my hopes up until next October which I think is much more realistic. It would be almost logistically impossible under the current situation to have a venue like York and be social distant when we were all use to being elbow to elbow with each other in the halls for the most part. As much as I would like to be at York or any other train show it just wouldn’t be fun to have to be careful about how and what I do not to get sick or get anyone else sick for that matter.
Funny; following the arrows and dealing with baby strollers doesn’t seem like that big of a deal anymore!
@gmorlitz posted:For some time now I thought the October York would be cancelled. Taking a positive perspective, the April York might be really interesting. IMO, the "big guys" like Lionel and MTH took over what had been a train meet. Anyone remember back when Mike was a dealer under the grandstands? With Lionel and others pulling out of the spring York, and MTH being out of the business, York may change into something quite different. It will be interesting to see what it is. I would not expect the bandit shows to return, but one never knows.
Gerry
I agree with you Gerry. This could really change York to the "what was" that some folks like myself haven't seen being only there a few times. We will all be starved for our great train pals we've not seen in way too long. I know I'm missing some of the sellers I usually get to talk to.
Since EDTCA was going back to the 2 day format like the old days, the meet has been postponed twice now. Guess someone is sending them a message to keep the 3 day show which was to be in October 2020 and now they are having it that way for both events in 2021.
You need 3 days to see it all, to meet, greet and see all your train friends from around the country, a key element of the York show.
No matter who attends in the April show and only comes to the October show still does not diminish seeing your friends in the hobby. I do not buy a lot of trains any longer unless it is something I’ve been looking for, I look forward for the social aspect.
Hope to see everyone next April.
Ted, you hit the nail on the head. While some stuff follows me home for many meets, I really go for the social aspect! I get to meet at least a couple new people and see old friends, I'm really missing that. I keep hoping and making hotel reservations.
Your right Ted it’s not so much about what stuff we want or need. Just a simple hand shake and joking around and talking trains with your buds from around the country is what I really miss right now. Like I said before we just have to ride out the storm right now.
@OGR CEO-PUBLISHER posted:OK....I have gotten several alerts to this thread. It is not a thread about the virus and when/if we get one, and how it is affecting everything in our lives! This thread is an announcement about York being called off for this fall....obviously because of the virus. No need to discuss any other off topic comments about the virus in general. I left this topic open but was warned I should close it.....looks like that warning was spot on. Keep your comments about YORK....please!
Clearly this isn't your first rodeo.
I'm curious, when would have to make a decision for the April show? I might have to be in PA that month (depending on where things are by then, of course)...
Hi! really miss York - lots and lots of trains but - more important - great times with great friends! Hopefully, it will be on in the spring.
@Ted Bertiger posted:Since EDTCA was going back to the 2 day format like the old days, the meet has been postponed twice now. Guess someone is sending them a message to keep the 3 day show which was to be in October 2020 and now they are having it that way for both events in 2021.
You need 3 days to see it all, to meet, greet and see all your train friends from around the country, a key element of the York show.
No matter who attends in the April show and only comes to the October show still does not diminish seeing your friends in the hobby. I do not buy a lot of trains any longer unless it is something I’ve been looking for, I look forward for the social aspect.
Hope to see everyone next April.
Spot on, Ted!
I just changed my hotel reservations (Hampton Inn, Shrewsbury) and I too saved $100.....
Peter
@MartyE posted:If you want the York experience, crawl under your layout or go into the closet where you store the unused items, pack them in the trunk of your car and drive around the block, maybe a jaunt on the interstate, stop at a fast food restaurant (make sure you pay too much) on October 23rd and then bring them back into the house. You'll be surprised what you forgot you have already.
I’m rolling with laughter. You hit the Spike on the head MartyE
It's not so much about the stuff, it can be the sharing of a common interest with friends.
Just changed my reservation at the Wyndham to April 18th, 2021.
Gerry, I think (hope) you are wrong. I believe the bandit shows will be bigger than ever in April if there is a York.
@Number 90 posted:Maybe I can finally go to York next Spring, and meet some Forumites at the gatherings. I want to take Neal Schorr's scenic route across Pennsylvania and visit relatives, too, so, if it's again safe to travel and gather, it'll be a winner.
Let's see, . . . 2-lane Pennsylvania, Altoona, Strasburg, Steamtown (Alcos), Philly, Palmyra, Chautauqua, Pittsburgh, and then maybe zig zagging along the Santa Fe from Chicago to Kansas City . . . that ought to be 5,000+ enjoyable miles.
Great idea. Was thinking of doing the Pennsylvania part. Tough choice, as the LCCA Convention is in Scranton next year, so could do Altoona and Steamtown at that time as well.
Pat
Dang,
I have relatives who live in York. I could'a gone. It just a few hours away.
Mannyrock
@Chris Lonero posted:Your right Ted it’s not so much about what stuff we want or need. Just a simple hand shake and joking around and talking trains with your buds from around the country is what I really miss right now. Like I said before we just have to ride out the storm right now.
Chris,
Football season is around the corner. You know the train friendship can turn ugly for the Jets/ Patriots fans. Lol!
But on all seriousness, the camaderie is what keeps our hobby the best.
@Ted Bertiger posted:Chris,
Football season is around the corner. You know the train friendship can turn ugly for the Jets/ Patriots fans. Lol!
But on all seriousness, the camaderie is what keeps our hobby the best.
I know Ted. Remember the year Marty changed the sound file on my tinplate engine to the patriots file! That was one of the times Mike showed up wearing his Dolphin’s shirt at Trainstock! 😂
Since it could be years until I attend again, it's no loss for me but with that said, York will be back and the first show will be a doozy.
@superwarp1 posted:.......the first show will be a doozy.
I think when the doors open (whenever that time is), there will be a cheer that probably will be heard in DC, Baltimore, Harrisburg and Philly!
Peter
Unfortunately, I got laid off last month, so my York decision was already made. With any luck, I will be up and running somewhere, so I can make it in April. Very much want to get back there.