Being that I mainly model the AT&SF in the 1948-1951 time frame I don't have many books on other railroads. I have a side interest in the Southern Pacific, which mostly comes from a childhood fascination with 4449 (whi h I own a MTH Premier model of). I have 3 Southern Pacific locomotives on my roster; 4449, a Baldwin AS616, and a FM H-24-66 Train Master. I'd like to add another Southern Pacific steam locomotive to my roster in the next year or so for freight use. I don't have room for a big 2-8-8-4 or 4-8-8-2 cab forward so I was wondering what non articulated steam locomotives were commonly assigned and in use on freight trains on the Southern Pacific in the 1948-1951 time frame. After conducting some basic internet searching it appears that the GS2/GS6 class Northerns, MT class Mountains, and Southern Pacific class 4-10-2s were used on mainline freight trains. Am I missing any types? I'd appreciate any help from some knowledgeable Espee fans.

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You have named most of the ones done in 3 rail except for the F class 2-10-2 also done by 3rd Rail. Not done yet in 3 rail is the unstreamlined GS1, maybe the best looking of all the SP Northerns,

Here is an online source for a listing of SP Steam.

http://espee.railfan.net/sp_steam-index.html

The reference standard is Guy Dunscomb's book "A Century of Southern Pacific Steam Locomotives". Long out of print its worth looking for for your library. It has pictures of every wheel type and and class within that wheel type.

Lots of videos on youtube as well. Very entertaining is the SP promotional film, "This is My Railroad".

 

Pete

Norton posted:

You have named most of the ones done in 3 rail except for the F class 2-10-2 also done by 3rd Rail. Not done yet in 3 rail is the unstreamlined GS1, maybe the best looking of all the SP Northerns,

Here is an online source for a listing of SP Steam.

http://espee.railfan.net/sp_steam-index.html

The reference standard is Guy Dunscomb's book "A Century of Southern Pacific Steam Locomotives". Long out of print its worth looking for for your library. It has pictures of every wheel type and and class within that wheel type.

Lots of videos on youtube as well. Very entertaining is the SP promotional film, "This is My Railroad".

 

Pete

Do you happen to know of any pictures of the MT or GS class in freight use? I've seen a couple of the GS class pulling freight. They are black, de-skirted, and usually pulling PFE refrigerator cars or SP Overnight boxcars. Did the GS class pull any other types of fright (i.e. general freight trains) or were they assigned to quicker/more timely freights since they were former passenger locomotives? I know Santa Fe's 2900 class Northers (also former passenger locomotives) were usually assigned to SFRD or boxcar trains, since they carried time sensitive products. I'm assuming that SP used its MT and GS class locomotives in a similar fashion. 

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Well poking around I didn't find any good photos of a GS class locomotive in freight use. I did however find a photo of a Daylight painted GS4 on the head of the red a silver streamlined Golden State in 1951. That's the train I run my Daylight painted GS4 on, so at least I know it's prototypical.

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As an addition the post above here's the photo from 1951 of the Golden State headed by a GS4 in Daylight paint. You can see the red a silver Golden State cars after the two baggage cars behind the locomotive. I've been running my GS4 with the Golden State based on this prototype photo, as it happened at least once. 

Does anyone have any pictures of a black GS2/3/4/5/6 in freight service they can post?

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If it helps, in 1949 the Daylight Northerns clanked through my back yard with heavyweights, Daylight cars, Golden State cars, and Golden Rocket cars.  On at least one occasion two fully shrouded Daylights were coupled together.

I cannot remember any freights pulled with shrouded Daylights, but I bet we can find a photo or videoof that fairly easily.  

I guess we take this stuff seriously - but I have run SP locomotives with PRR cabin cars, and own a B&O PA.  Seems to me we can do what we want.  Very few real railroads operated on 3-rail track.

bob2 posted:

If it helps, in 1949 the Daylight Northerns clanked through my back yard with heavyweights, Daylight cars, Golden State cars, and Golden Rocket cars.  On at least one occasion two fully shrouded Daylights were coupled together.

I cannot remember any freights pulled with shrouded Daylights, but I bet we can find a photo or videoof that fairly easily.  

I guess we take this stuff seriously - but I have run SP locomotives with PRR cabin cars, and own a B&O PA.  Seems to me we can do what we want.  Very few real railroads operated on 3-rail track.

I'm actually looking for photos of black, unshrouded GS class locomotives pulling freight trains. They seem to be few and far between. I mostly have seen photos of them on commute trains. I'd like to find more photos like the above one. The few I have seen are the GS class locomotives pulling refrigerator cars or Overnight Express boxcars. I'm curious if unshrouded black GS class locomotives pulled any other kind of freight trains. 

I know I can do whatever I want. I just try and be prototypical where I can. It makes me happy. But so does running my Santa Fe Texas at the head of a streamlined Chief consist on occasion .

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Lou1985 posted:
bob2 posted:

If it helps, in 1949 the Daylight Northerns clanked through my back yard with heavyweights, Daylight cars, Golden State cars, and Golden Rocket cars.  On at least one occasion two fully shrouded Daylights were coupled together.

I cannot remember any freights pulled with shrouded Daylights, but I bet we can find a photo or videoof that fairly easily.  

I guess we take this stuff seriously - but I have run SP locomotives with PRR cabin cars, and own a B&O PA.  Seems to me we can do what we want.  Very few real railroads operated on 3-rail track.

I'm actually looking for photos of black, unshrouded GS class locomotives pulling freight trains. They seem to be few and far between. I mostly have seen photos of them on commute trains. I'd like to find more photos like the above one. The few I have seen are the GS class locomotives pulling refrigerator cars or Overnight Express boxcars. I'm curious if unshrouded black GS class locomotives pulled any other kind of freight trains. 

I know I can do whatever I want. I just try and be prototypical where I can. It makes me happy. But so does running my Santa Fe Texas at the head of a streamlined Chief consist on occasion .

What about Rusty's photo just above  of the 4448 with the side skirting removed, painted black with the silver pilot and smokebox front?

If you mean completely destreamlined, SP never did that.  The only GS series locomotives without the skyline casing, skirts, and smooth pilot were the class GS-1, GS-7, and GS-8, which never had those features.  The GS-6 had the skyline casing and smooth pilot, but never had the side skirting.

Stuart

 

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Stuart posted:
Lou1985 posted:
bob2 posted:

If it helps, in 1949 the Daylight Northerns clanked through my back yard with heavyweights, Daylight cars, Golden State cars, and Golden Rocket cars.  On at least one occasion two fully shrouded Daylights were coupled together.

I cannot remember any freights pulled with shrouded Daylights, but I bet we can find a photo or videoof that fairly easily.  

I guess we take this stuff seriously - but I have run SP locomotives with PRR cabin cars, and own a B&O PA.  Seems to me we can do what we want.  Very few real railroads operated on 3-rail track.

I'm actually looking for photos of black, unshrouded GS class locomotives pulling freight trains. They seem to be few and far between. I mostly have seen photos of them on commute trains. I'd like to find more photos like the above one. The few I have seen are the GS class locomotives pulling refrigerator cars or Overnight Express boxcars. I'm curious if unshrouded black GS class locomotives pulled any other kind of freight trains. 

I know I can do whatever I want. I just try and be prototypical where I can. It makes me happy. But so does running my Santa Fe Texas at the head of a streamlined Chief consist on occasion .

What about Rusty's photo just above  of the 4448 with the side skirting removed, painted black with the silver pilot and smokebox front?

If you mean completely destreamlined, SP never did that.  The only GS series locomotives without the skyline casing, skirts, and smooth pilot were the class GS-1, GS-7, and GS-8, which never had those features.  The GS-6 had the skyline casing and smooth pilot, but never had the side skirting.

Stuart

 

I'd like to see if there are more photos of deskirted, black GS2/3/4/5/6s pulling freight trains besides the one posted above, which I've seen before. The couple I've see have had GS locomotives on refrigerator trains or overnight boxcar trains. I'd like to see what else they would have commonly pulled in freight service.

I know the SP never removed the skyline casting or smooth pilots from the GS2/3/4/5/6 locomotives, just the side skirts. The removal of the side skirts "destreamlines" the locomotive to me.

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Not sure why this is such a big deal, but may I suggest Those Daylight 4-8-4s by Robert Church?

Starting on page 96 you will see exactly what you want.  Freight trains with boxcars and beet cars, skirts and no skirts, and even in pusher service with a Santa Fe set of freight Diesels.

Get a copy, if this is a great concern.  It will answer all of your questions.

 

bob2 posted:

Not sure why this is such a big deal, but may I suggest Those Daylight 4-8-4s by Robert Church?

Starting on page 96 you will see exactly what you want.  Freight trains with boxcars and beet cars, skirts and no skirts, and even in pusher service with a Santa Fe set of freight Diesels.

Get a copy, if this is a great concern.  It will answer all of your questions.

 

Thanks. I'll try and grab a copy.

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