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hi, since there’s so much negativity about the tca York show. I figured on everyone sharing the great memories they had when it was a bigger show. Maybe this can spark up some positive thinking as York’s not far away. I know twice a year I love going no matter what. My dad has never missed a show since 1974. I think it would be great to post up pictures of the show how it used to be.  I know I remember when Lionel had a tent outside yellow and mth had a repair tent next to it.  If everyone wants to keep this hobby going best as we can , the positive comments on this show are sure gonna help vs the negative. 

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Hi Jason, I have much enjoyed reading your positive attitude here, so my reply is strong. I have no self-serving reason for replying with all these photos other than to remind clients and customers, who met and purchased from me there, of the good times we had and of how ready they were to "clean me out" every time I was there...and of how grateful I am to them.

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When the Meets were each completed, I had been set down a road of further prosperity and modelling by a list of customers who had become clients, having taken my modeling with them and commissioning me to travel to or ship to their layouts in such varied, widespread venues as Park City , Utah, Kansas City, Kansas, Connecticut, FAO Schwarz, 5th Avenue, NYC, and many points throughout NJ, such as Manalapan.

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I have not one vowel of complaint about York. I took home fistfuls of hundred dollar bills and rarely ever left with a single item not having been sold or promised for shipment. I often was sold-out by Friday mid-day. In fact, entertaining and very, very gratifying to me, was that my modelling of Forestry Logging scenes were often sold before I got them out of the car, or as I walked them toward my booth in the Orange Hall, on Thursdays.

Sitting in my SUV, relaxing in the very early mornings in my favorite spot near the roll-up door on the East side of the building, seeing the sunrise  each day...... waiting for the doors to open to the vendors was a peaceful pleasure, too.

The Meets were especially pleasant events, also, because from my viewpoint, there I was among thousands of like-minded potential and/or actual friends or acquaintances who shared a hobby interest with me. What could possibly be negative in that formula!

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My first York show was in 2012.  I always have a blast there.  I don't understand the negativity either.  For me it's the people not the trains that make it a great show.

My memories of York, PA go back much further into the 1970's as my family regularly traveled through York on the way to visit my grandparents.  I think it was "Paul's" train store that used to be downtown in two railway passenger cars?  Seem to recall it was all high end brass HO.  Plus, who could forget the Shoe House near the US 30 bypass?

We stopped going that way when US became a continuous traffic light in the 1980's.

I think my first York meet was 1986. I remember the aisles in some halls being very crowded. But mainly that the prices on post-war and earlier trains were much higher than they are today. Also, I do NOT remember seeing any operating layouts. Overall, I like today's York better, but I'm not overly optimistic about what "no Thursdays" will bring.

GG1 4877 posted:

My first York show was in 2012.  I always have a blast there.  I don't understand the negativity either.  For me it's the people not the trains that make it a great show.

My memories of York, PA go back much further into the 1970's as my family regularly traveled through York on the way to visit my grandparents.  I think it was "Paul's" train store that used to be downtown in two railway passenger cars?  Seem to recall it was all high end brass HO.  Plus, who could forget the Shoe House near the US 30 bypass?

We stopped going that way when US became a continuous traffic light in the 1980's.

Re:  Paul's train store.  I wonder if you are referring to the train store that was on US 30 (Lincoln Way West) in New Oxford, Penna.  It consisted of two passengers cars joined together at an angle at one end.  Not that there couldn't have been something similar in York, but it was called "Amro Ltd. - Paul's Model Railroad Shop."  The Amro part of the business imported foreign (mainly European, IIRC) trains and I believe it was pretty much all HO.  Across the street (US 30) was the preserved New Oxford train station and a bright red PRR ND (4-wheel) cabin car.

The unhappy demise of those cars as reported in the York Daily Record is here: 

https://www.ydr.com/story/news.../24/trains/31601251/

And here's what is titled "the last ad for Paul's Model Railroad Shop" (1984):

https://www.newspapers.com/cli...times_gettysburg_pa/

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I remember:

-the auction on Friday nights in the green hall.  Wooden slat folding chairs on a concrete floor.  If it was cold outside you had to stomp your feet to keep the blood circulating.   It was always entertaining.  Things would sell at the auction for more than your asking price on your table.

- absolutely no talking inside the halls before the doors were opened.

- after opening, the sellers trying to set up while the buyers were trying to shop creating a virtual log jam in the aisles.

- Lou Redman's famous train suit.

- Elliot Welz under the grandstand selling phenomenal paint jobs on Lionel postwar engines especially GG-1s.  Also was Grysbowski, Nicholas Smith,  et. al under the grandstand as well.

- the ED "ticket" office at the end of the blue hall. 

- parking in the grass about 100 yards west of the blue hall (No orange hall).

- taking my food in the car, cause if you went to go eat you would lose your spot.

I think the square footage of table/display space is much higher now than in the 80's.  The silver and orange halls alone are nearly 70% of the old York show.

It's still the best train show IMO.

I've been attending the York Meet for some 29 years (although admittedly have missed a very few). It was a great event back in the "old days" and it is still a great event today, even in changed and ever-changing times. There is no toy train event quite like it anywhere on the planet. Those who don't enjoy it or have only negative things to say about it should probably save their money and devote those dollars to some other area of the hobby that brings them the kind of relaxation, pleasure, and peace-of-mind that any hobby is supposed to entail.

Eddie G,

Stopped at Felsingers a few times. His shop was in the basement of his house. Row upon row of Lionel parts. I got an NOS GG1 horn unit from him, still have his business card(s). At a Maurer auction I bid on, and won a lot of his tools. Use some of them every day. He was a wonderful person to deal with.  Thanks for the memory.

Buzz

My first York was Fall 2000.   I remember getting 2 guys in the parking lot to sponsor my membership and then standing in line to get in.

It was a 2-day show then and the opening was like a Le Mans start!  Throngs of people (~16,000), crowded aisles, the barnyard smells, and the competing PA announcers talking over each other.    It was a blast.  At the end of the day, I would come home (feet aching) and go through all the "loot" I had acquired.  Unforgettable.  

George

I can't remember for sure when my first York was but there was no Orange Hall.  The place was packed.  The OGR meetings were in the grandstand and I used to judge how well attended the meet was by how many cars were parked in the infield of the race track.  By 2:00 on Friday (always meeting time) that infield would be packed with cars.  The Bigger Group was the owner of the mag. then.

One had to elbow your way around in the Yellow Hall.

My sponsors to enter the TCA were Allan Miller and Jim Barrett no less.  I had met Jim at the train shop he worked at near Cincinnati, and Allan Miller agreed to sponsor me as well since he was working for the Mag.  (I was a subscriber) and the only other TCA member I knew at the time.

Dennis

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I remember the Horde Layout, that was impressive.  I also remember my dad asking someone other than Neil Young to autograph either a VHS tape or catalog! (IIRC, they were selling tapes of the layout in operation from other stops on the Horde tour).  Seems my dad knew Neil Young's role (at that time) in Lionel, but somehow didn't know exactly what he looked like.  The gentleman my dad had approached who was running some of the trains in his engineer's overalls said something to the effect of "I'll sign the item if you like sir, but my name is Larry!"  (he was then kind enough to point out Neil).  Silly story, but something I will probably always remember!

I remember my first visit on just Saturday (I had only started my 1st job out of college about 1 1/2 months before, so wasn't taking time off from work yet - this was back when it was Fri-Sat, April 1997).  My dealer who told me I should check out the meet neglected to tell me of the membership signature thing at the time(!).  So when I arrived at the registration desk in the Blue Hall, I was informed.  I told them my dealer friend's name, and I got an escort with a guard through what seemed like a maze from the Blue Hall to the Purple where my dealer had his tables. (as most first time visitors are, I was in awe of the magnitude of the whole thing)  He and his brother in law then signed my application, I paid my dues and entry fee, and my long York journey began!

Also on my first visit, I recall parking in what seemed like the very far boonies out under a decent sized tree near the perimeter (probably in an area not too far from the back door or Orange, nearest MTH).  It could have been in that corner of the grounds, or possibly where the Orange Hall now stands, as it looked different with Horse stables using a lot of the area over there before the new hall was built.

While I am guessing I didn't' successfully see all the halls on my first trip (probably missed Gold if it was open then), I did walk most of the buildings.  I recall exactly what I bought too.  I had recently entered O Gauge by getting the Lionel 6-11909 N&W Warhorse set from 1996.  While entirely un-prototypical, I decided that some N&W Maxi Stack cars would be a good alternate thing to pull with the steam engine (yes, I am well aware that never could have happened).  Anyway, I bought one car from a gentleman who had them marked $60 or 3 for $150.  After walking the buildings and not making any other purchases, I found his table again and asked if he was willing to sell me 2 more of the cars to go with the first one at the combo price, and he was happy to oblige (after joking with me a bit about it, and thanking me for coming back).

In general, in later years, I remember always trying to park along the outer perimeter of the racetrack, slightly inside from the gate on Carlisle Avenue, as that was a decent somewhat centralized location before Orange opened.

Once Orange did open, I migrated into parking between it and the old Orange Hall (until I started getting a table).  I remember the days when it was crowded enough that as others have said, you risked not getting a parking spot if you left.  I remember chancing it a meet or two when I decided I needed to get some extra cash at a local branch of my bank, and I felt lucky to find a spot when I returned.  These days, I would not worry at all about not finding a parking spot.  It might not be exactly where I want it to be if I leave, but I know there will be spots.

I remember the year it was something like 95 degrees one day in April (probably a year or two before Orange opened), and the aisles were still so packed that the number of bodies crammed into the halls and walking in close proximity made it worse than it was outside.  I specifically remember it being very hot and humid inside Purple.

-Dave

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