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There are so many cars Menards makes that look great  Unfortunately they never make it around the layout once   The gauge on their wheels is too close   We have gaurd rail on all of our elevated track that those wheels hit , ride up on and derail.    They are the only cars that do this  Wish they would redesign those trucks  All of our Menards cars are on sidings

@bluelinec4 posted:

There are so many cars Menards makes that look great  Unfortunately they never make it around the layout once   The gauge on their wheels is too close

Exactly!  That and the couplers make them pretty unusable for reliable running!  I'd like to come up with some method to simply regauge the wheel-set on the trucks.  It would have to be a spreader that could carefully spread them about .05" to make them correct.  I can fix them if I take the trucks apart, but that's too time consuming for a bunch of cars, so a simple "on the car" solution is what is needed.

Not sure if I am just lucky, but my smallest curves are 072 and i don’t seem to have an issue.  I do have to cut off the thing on the bottom of the box cars so they don’t mess with my Ross switches.  I have has to take an axel out of the frame and take a tiny bit off the end so they roll freely.  Some of the axels have been just a little long so they press on the frame.

@bluelinec4 posted:

There are so many cars Menards makes that look great  Unfortunately they never make it around the layout once   The gauge on their wheels is too close   We have gaurd rail on all of our elevated track that those wheels hit , ride up on and derail.    They are the only cars that do this  Wish they would redesign those trucks  All of our Menards cars are on sidings

I respect what Menards has tried to do to bring affordable trains to the marketplace, but isn't this just a case of you get what you pay for? 

" It would have to be a spreader that could carefully spread them about .05" to make them correct.  I can fix them if I take the trucks apart, but that's too time-consuming for a bunch of cars, so a simple "on the car" solution is what is needed."

I regauged some of my Manard's wheelsets but it is difficult, to say the least without some kind of jig.

@Hartman posted:

" It would have to be a spreader that could carefully spread them about .05" to make them correct.  I can fix them if I take the trucks apart, but that's too time-consuming for a bunch of cars, so a simple "on the car" solution is what is needed."

I regauged some of my Manard's wheelsets but it is difficult, to say the least without some kind of jig.

Yep, I think that would solve the rolling issues, especially over my double-slip switches.

@GG1 4877 posted:

I respect what Menards has tried to do to bring affordable trains to the marketplace, but isn't this just a case of you get what you pay for?

I think you are And it rigbt. Producing costs seem to go into paint my and decoration such look great. Last priority is the trucks, which are marginally passable. Cost is low but quality as a result is mixed.

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@cabinet Bob posted:

Here's  a video showing the Menards  engine pulling 11 tankcars, 6 which are new. The other photos show the design and the gauge of the wheels. I ran these around my layout 18 times with no problem. I do have a mix of Lionel and Menards track to verify. 20211126_133825

If you look at the wheel on the left you can see a large gap from the flange to the web of the rail   The wheel gauge is too tight   In other words the wheels are too close to each other   You can get away with it on tubular track or lionel fastrack but when you use Ross, Gargraves or Atlas it is a problem.  Those trucks don't like the frogs,  gaurd rail or crossovers.  Forget about trying to traverse a double slip switch or a large switch like a number 6 or 7.5

@bluelinec4 posted:

If you look at the wheel on the left you can see a large gap from the flange to the web of the rail   The wheel gauge is too tight   In other words the wheels are too close to each other   You can get away with it on tubular track or lionel fastrack but when you use Ross, Gargraves or Atlas it is a problem.  Those trucks don't like the frogs,  gaurd rail or crossovers.  Forget about trying to traverse a double slip switch or a large switch like a number 6 or 7.5

Please  help me out here. I measured  inside flange to inside of flange on a Lionel  and Menards,  they both measured 1 1/16 inch. What am I missing here ?

Bob, you're missing that these simply don't run well on Gargraves/Ross or Atlas track.  I've measured a number of them, and the wheel gauge is .04 to .05 too tight on all of them when compared to my MTH Premier or Lionel cars.  A string of Menards boxcars will rarely make it more than two-three times over the double-slip switches, and they also derail on the curved O96/O72 switch at my service track.  I can't remember any MTH or Lionel cars having either of these issues.

@cabinet Bob posted:

Here's  a video showing the Menards  engine pulling 11 tankcars, 6 which are new. The other photos show the design and the gauge of the wheels. I ran these around my layout 18 times with no problem. I do have a mix of Lionel and Menards track to verify.

Thank you very very much, Bob!  I really appreciate this information.  We only ever run Lionel, Menards or the occasional bit of American Flyer O-31 tubular track (and an odd mix of AF O-40-something and Lionel 022 switches).

The fact that you had no issues is a great relief.

How weighty are the cars?

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