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E5, E6 now up for reservations !!!!!!!!!!!!! Time to step up for the MP E6. I believe only 10 A and 7 B Total (3 and 2 rail combined)  in Run 1.  No Jenks Blue option yet. 😖☹️😑.  Email Scott if you was a Jenks option !!!! Never done before !!!!  

PS Scott’s posted all the production pix to see. 👍👍👍 Nice.

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If ordering an original E6 AB consist and Jenks, order specific road numbers to avoid “running “ the same train.
Numberings for the two AB
Initially 7002, 7002B  / later 11, 11B
Initially 7003, 7003B  / later 12, 12B  
I have  7003, 7003B.  I’ve now reserved Jenks 11, 11B.
They were renumbered when repainted later in Jenks blue.  
Reference  
“Missouri Pacific Diesel Power” by Kevin EuDaly. Page 27.
When you take delivery, check your boxes to make sure you have matched pair    But !!!!! … take both units out of box !!! to make Really sure one has a matched    pair !!!!  Always be cautious. Mixups can happen.
Cheers !!!!

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38D9A23F-B037-4DAC-82ED-C63E54A31B2FSo my reservation for the 8-car set is in! I ordered the MoPac AB E6 diesels as well plus one Jenks blue A unit. I also ordered some extra run through cars. I would also love to see some Jenks blue add on cars offered, maybe a coach, dome, 10-6 & 14-4 sleepers.

Thanks for “joining” with your EAGLE reservation !!!! A Double Thanks for your Jenks reservation !!!!!!  It will be Cool to have the Jenks E6 - Never done in “O” !!!!!  Email Scott that you want Jenks cars too.
Cheers 🙂🙂🙂

D26493C3-BC97-45FC-92F0-7478221371CA99ED012C-5718-4251-8D44-69ABF90C973AIts great that the E6 is now offered in Jenks. I’m sure interested in some Jenks extras too !!!!  Email Scott if you also want Jenks extras !!!  
Just to “split some hairs” - I think the photos of the two earlier Jenks models are a bit on the dark side - - a bit tending to blackish. I don’t know if the models are Really that dark or if the photography drove it that way. See my two MP Jenks images here. One is a MTH Premier model and the other is an Atlas Trainman model.  The colors are definitely lighter than the earlier posted models. I think these two images nicely represent Jenks Blue. IMO.  Lighting makes a difference.
Cheers

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@TrainBub posted:

E5, E6 now up for reservations !!!!!!!!!!!!! Time to step up for the MP E6. I believe only 10 A and 7 B Total (3 and 2 rail combined)  in Run 1.  No Jenks Blue option yet. 😖☹️😑.  Email Scott if you was a Jenks option !!!! Never done before !!!!  

PS Scott’s posted all the production pix to see. 👍👍👍 Nice.

Give me a link to see the pictures and update reservation list.

thanks

bob

@Bob Harris posted:

Give me a link to see the pictures and update reservation list.

thanks

bob





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Here is just a copy of 3rd Rail web page showing offerings. (Hmmm. Doesn’t copy very nice. Sorry)  
Both MP Eagle  and Jenks paint schemes Now offered !!!!!!!!!!!!!          
Go to web page to see “real deal” with link to reservation page.  There are 2 MP options for both A and B - Eagle colors and Jenks Blue.   The GGD webpage for the EAGLE passenger cars shows that the E6 is available for reservations but there is no link to the 3rd Rail webpage to reserve. You need to navigate that yourself.

Cheers 🙂👍

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If l was buying diesels, the Eagles E's as well as the also beautiful Rock Islands on the same page in the 1941 Loco. Cyclopdia would be them.  But l would like to know, since the diesels were in this 1941 book, were any of the Eagle cars  running in MoPac trains in 1940?  And if not, what was? And skimming back in this posting, l didn't see the Eagles introductory date settled (1941-42??)

Very nice operation and a well done layout! Even if it’s Mop and not T&P motive power!

Well Griff, here’s a small mixed train that’ll kind of get you there until the EAGLE cars arrive.
MP Alco PA “A” / 3rd Rail, T&P Mail Storage / Atlas, T&P Baggage Heavyweight / Golden Gate Depot, MP Coach Heavyweight / GGD 🙂🙂🙂B25EEE5E-2B67-4875-949B-F9D4F27E12D2

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Hi everyone.

What a fascinating thread! Thanks to everyone who has posted!

Can I fire off a few questions please, as I'm pretty new to the MP/T&P and loving trains that ran 4,500 plus miles away from home isn't always easy...lol.

Are the cars all marked with the generic 'The Eagle' with owner's marks just at the car ends, or are the cars lettered for individual named trains?

Did MP and T&P cars get mixed up in the various Eagles, so effectively they were 'pool' cars or did each road keep it's own set of cars? (I'm modelling mid-late 50s here).

Will the dome be the PS or Budd version?

Was the grill-chair car a later conversion or part of the original 40s set?

I've tried to research as much as I can in  booksi have here but the information varies tremendously or in the case of Dorin's book leaves gaps.🤦‍♂️

MANY thanks for any help or pointers you can offer.

(Oooh...has anyone asked Scott about doing the GP7 in MP two tone blue and grey scheme...or did T&P locos get used over the MP system?).

@Steve Adby posted:

Hi everyone.

What a fascinating thread! Thanks to everyone who has posted!

Can I fire off a few questions please, as I'm pretty new to the MP/T&P and loving trains that ran 4,500 plus miles away from home isn't always easy...lol.

Are the cars all marked with the generic 'The Eagle' with owner's marks just at the car ends, or are the cars lettered for individual named trains?

Did MP and T&P cars get mixed up in the various Eagles, so effectively they were 'pool' cars or did each road keep it's own set of cars? (I'm modelling mid-late 50s here).

Will the dome be the PS or Budd version?

Was the grill-chair car a later conversion or part of the original 40s set?

I've tried to research as much as I can in  booksi have here but the information varies tremendously or in the case of Dorin's book leaves gaps.🤦‍♂️

MANY thanks for any help or pointers you can offer.

(Oooh...has anyone asked Scott about doing the GP7 in MP two tone blue and grey scheme...or did T&P locos get used over the MP system?).

Lots of good questions. I’ll do my best to answer them - and add some other info if appropriate.
There are TWO different 1950’s Texas Eagle trains consists being offered, one for Missouri Pacific ((MP) and one for Texas & Pacific (T&P). T&P was a MP subsidiary but Often acted independently - especially when ordering cars. This has made my research exceptionally complicated.
All cars had “The Eagle” on the letter-board and small ownership initials were posted by the car door. Though just guessing, I would assume cars got mixed between the two roads just on the basis of car availability and All the Different Destinations. For example, A train leaving St. Louis could have cars going to Houston, San Antonio, Dallas, and El Paso. The consist was split up in Texas into smaller trains. Dining cars came and went depending on destinations and needs. Car names were specific to MP or T&P but not all cars had names - some just numbers. Complicated. There were pool cars though I’ve stayed away from those in the offering. The Budd dome cars were Colorado Eagle cars and did not run in the Texas Eagle trains.
Thru sleepers from Pennsylvania and B&O ran on the Eagle painted in Eagle colors, Small letters by the door the only clue of ownership. A National de Mexico also could be seen. It stood out as it was Not painted in Eagle colors. Certain specific Named MP and T&P thru sleepers would be seen on these Three roads. The NdM had the Texas Eagle extended to Mexico City as the Aztec Eagle. The Eagle 5BR- Lounge cars actually were assigned for a time to the B&O National Ltd and we’re used as an “end of train” car in Eagle paint - and has been pictured with a B&O drumhead.

Scott initially offered 2 MP and 2 T&P GPs all in different paint schemes.  Only the blue/white T&P had enough (barely !!!) reservations to be made.

I’ll revisit this reply and add to it a bit later.

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Incidentally I’ve almost finished my Hallmark Texas & Pacific Muley Caboose. Thanks first to Tom Stamey who facilitated my acquisition of the car and as the Dean of T&P knowledge supplied reference photos and interior plans plus did the Decaling. Second huge thanks to master O scaler Dr. Mike Walter who invented a novel third rail pickup hidden by the underframe and who also wired the interior lighting. I scratch built the bunks, cupola risers and seats, conductor’s desk, locker, water barrel, coal stove (PNW resin), ice box, and washstand. According to Tom Stamey there was no toilet and crews could be seen relieving themselves out of the back door; lighting was by kerosene type lamps. He objected a bit to the bright interior light but I want the interior visible. My figures are converted 1/48 military figures, the Brakie is a Monogram B-17 mechanic with western hat. Mike Walter says that it is the first time he has seen a scale brass car converted to three rail. 5C9F11F6-0646-40F5-8799-88522D89C8328AB0B339-3027-4947-9D00-BAF369EACF906E4C694A-5189-4070-92AA-4180A2FF06ADBF1E67E5-79E2-4ACB-A1E7-56F98671F02BB33FE027-547E-4236-AAF3-1EED6456EDDEE5341208-B1DD-4B6F-A755-FAC0569EEA15DC9D7EB0-E801-4304-8E9C-BB221D2A237E76CAEDAD-07F9-40BA-A413-E626899C67DB6CEAF8DF-60DF-4C8C-8F2E-FC9F865C1EFCDCF47B7C-8DBA-4B43-AF5C-C9E283ACD87F

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Are these the new ones?

No these are run 1. Run 2 are anticipated November- ish. We are getting close. 😜
I look for delivery in January. IMO of course. Run 2 will be in both Eagle colors And in Jenks blue.
Reservations are closed ….. But ….. a “standby reservation” is available if someone fail to pay/cancels their reservation. It happens.

Cheers 🙂

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No idea where this falls in the production schedule but the set is in design which means it is a real project.  I am personally interested in the Budd Built NdeM sleepers.  Same 6 wheel trucks that went under the Super Domes and the El Capitan Diner due to the rougher track conditions in Mexico.  I will be ordering one or two of those even though I have nothing to pull with them just because they are so unique.

@GG1 4877 posted:

No idea where this falls in the production schedule but the set is in design which means it is a real project.  I am personally interested in the Budd Built NdeM sleepers.  Same 6 wheel trucks that went under the Super Domes and the El Capitan Diner due to the rougher track conditions in Mexico.  I will be ordering one or two of those even though I have nothing to pull with them just because they are so unique.

Oh that is an interesting car. I may add one to my reservation. I’m particularly interested in the run through possibilities with this set. Seems to me the following is true:

The B&O 10-5 sleepers, The MoPac bedroom lounge sleeper, Plus the B&O & MoPac slumbercoaches ran through on the B&O national limited.

The PRR 10-6 sleepers & 10-5 sleepers ran through on the PRR Penn-Texas.

The New York Central Southwestern limited also carried MoPac sleepers, just not sure which ones. Anybody have more details about that?

also Anybody know how far North the NdeM 10-6 sleepers traveled? Would they be run through to New York?

I believe this is going to be an unbelievable set. A Raymond loewy scheme that’s just as pretty as the PRR FOM & the NP two tone green. Just not nearly as famous. And such a complex RR operation. It will be fun trying to replicate all this switching.... I may need to also reserve a Jenks GP7

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@GG1 4877 posted:

No idea where this falls in the production schedule but the set is in design which means it is a real project.  I am personally interested in the Budd Built NdeM sleepers.  Same 6 wheel trucks that went under the Super Domes and the El Capitan Diner due to the rougher track conditions in Mexico.  I will be ordering one or two of those even though I have nothing to pull with them just because they are so unique.

Jonathan,    
Thanks for letting the EAGLE fans have a “heads up” that the set is “in design which means it’s a real project”.  It’s great that the project is moving along.  Reservations are Still Wide Open !!! 👍👍👍

And if anyone is interested, the TRRA HS will be issuing a new book in November or December this year on the N de M “Aztec  Eagle “ - the continuation of the Texas Eagle to Mexico City. I’m anxiously awaiting that issue. I’ve found that N de M info is tough to find.

What are the chances of getting Scott to do some Jenks blue add-on cars, coaches, domes, & sleepers? A few of us have asked and so far notta....

This one is not my project other than acting in a QA / QC role, but I can pass that on.  Adding some paint schemes should be easy .... except when it's not.

Ordered my NdeM sleeper today.  I'll run it behind some Viewliners to make the Amtrak fans heads explode.

@GG1 4877 posted:

This one is not my project other than acting in a QA / QC role, but I can pass that on.  Adding some paint schemes should be easy .... except when it's not.

Ordered my NdeM sleeper today.  I'll run it behind some Viewliners to make the Amtrak fans heads explode.

Gotya, thanks in advance for passing it on. Yes definitely run that NdeM car with your Amtrak! 🤪 I look forward to that.

@GG1 4877 posted:

I believe the NdeM cars ran through to St. Louis, but that is based on limited knowledge and research.

The NdeM cars Did run thru to St. Louis Union Station - but not beyond.  Occasional they are shown in a consist or in a yard. Though pictures Are scarce, the sleepers stand out with their very different paint scheme. Sometime they are visible but not noted.

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The NdeM sleepers were purchased from the NYC. In fact 10-5s we’re purchased first, then later 10-6s.
I anticipate Scott will offer 4 or 5 named 10-6 cars if someone reserved that many. If there is Any interest in having 10-5 sleepers Added to the offering, I Strongly suggest you ask him Via Email to Add those sleepers to the offering and let him know how many you would like to reserve. Numbers count !!! Beyond the Eagle, this is an opportunity for N deM fans to add multiple cars to their budding ((pun ? No) consists. Down the road, I think you could see Scott  offer N de M cars in the next heavyweight offering - IMO of course.

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@TrainBub posted:

The NdeM sleepers were purchased from the NYC. In fact 10-5s we’re purchased first, then later 10-6s.
I anticipate Scott will offer 4 or 5 named 10-6 cars if someone reserved that many. If there is Any interest in having 10-5 sleepers Added to the offering, I Strongly suggest you ask him Via Email to Add those sleepers to the offering and let him know how many you would like to reserve. Numbers count !!! Beyond the Eagle, this is an opportunity for N deM fans to add multiple cars to their budding ((pun ? No) consists. Down the road, I think you could see Scott  offer N de M cars in the next heavyweight offering - IMO of course.

10-5’s are already being offered as B&O run through cars.

A response for Steve Adby … continued.  

There’s not a lot of MP and T&P reference  books / information out there. You can search for them via “Abe Books” or Ron’s Books or even occasionally Amazon will turn up a surprise. My primary keys have been  
*Missouri Pacific Color Guide to Freight and Passenger Equipment by Kinkaid *Pullmans to St. Louis/ TRRA of St. Louis H and T Society Issue 63, 2003  
*Route of the Eagles by Stout  
*Missouri Pacific Passenger Trains by Dorin.
* Missouri Pacific Historical Society
These will load you up for starters with info but there are information gaps, omissions, and at times conflicting information.

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@TrainBub posted:

Lots of good questions. I’ll do my best to answer them - and add some other info if appropriate.
There are TWO different 1950’s Texas Eagle trains consists being offered, one for Missouri Pacific ((MP) and one for Texas & Pacific (T&P). T&P was a MP subsidiary but Often acted independently - especially when ordering cars. This has made my research exceptionally complicated.
All cars had “The Eagle” on the letter-board and small ownership initials were posted by the car door. Though just guessing, I would assume cars got mixed between the two roads just on the basis of car availability and All the Different Destinations. For example, A train leaving St. Louis could have cars going to Houston, San Antonio, Dallas, and El Paso. The consist was split up in Texas into smaller trains. Dining cars came and went depending on destinations and needs. Car names were specific to MP or T&P but not all cars had names - some just numbers. Complicated. There were pool cars though I’ve stayed away from those in the offering. The Budd dome cars were Colorado Eagle cars and did not run in the Texas Eagle trains.
Thru sleepers from Pennsylvania and B&O ran on the Eagle painted in Eagle colors, Small letters by the door the only clue of ownership. A National de Mexico also could be seen. It stood out as it was Not painted in Eagle colors. Certain specific Named MP and T&P thru sleepers would be seen on these Three roads. The NdM had the Texas Eagle extended to Mexico City as the Aztec Eagle. The Eagle 5BR- Lounge cars actually were assigned for a time to the B&O National Ltd and we’re used as an “end of train” car in Eagle paint - and has been pictured with a B&O drumhead.

Scott initially offered 2 MP and 2 T&P GPs all in different paint schemes.  Only the blue/white T&P had enough (barely !!!) reservations to be made.

I’ll revisit this reply and add to it a bit later.

Good heavens! Thank you SO much for such a comprehensive reply. It really is a fascinating and complicated thing, isn't it! (It makes SF's Texas-California service look like a walk in the park...lol).

I truly appreciate the time and trouble you have taken here. I've the Stout and Dorin passenger service books currently here, with the 'MP through passenger car service's on it's way, plus the book on MP motive power which is a start, but your message here answers the questions I couldn't find in the books.

Did motive power get mixed around like the cars, or did it stay very much more on 'home tracks'? I'm wondering if I can get away with a T&P Geep pulling a predominantly MP train of Eagle cars?

Thank you very much again!



Steve

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