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FYI.  
For awhile, Wabash and the Texas Special (MKT and Frisco) had a thru sleeper agreement. It doesn’t get much print coverage, but I hope to get Wabash cars added to the offering as “extras”.  The configuration is 12-4 - a bit different from the 14-4. Wabash cars (3 assigned) rode onto MKT and Frisco to Texas or MKT and Frisco (1 each) rode on Wabash to Chicago.

Reservation numbers will be important to get this Wabash car executed. 🤔

The Wabash car is Blue. Together with the B&O extra, the cars will add an interesting color contrast to a Texas Special consist. I doubt these cars have ever been offered before in O scale  - Always a nice “plus”. Email Scott you’d like to see the the Wabash cars added to the offering !!!

Cheers 😉

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@TrainBub posted:

FYI.  
For awhile, Wabash and the Texas Special (MKT and Frisco) had a thru sleeper agreement. It doesn’t get much print coverage, but I hope to get Wabash cars added to the offering as “extras”.  The configuration is 12-4 - a bit different from the 14-4. Wabash cars (3 assigned) rode onto MKT and Frisco to Texas or MKT and Frisco (1 each) rode on Wabash to Chicago.

Reservation numbers will be important to get this Wabash car executed. 🤔

The Wabash car is Blue. Together with the B&O extra, the cars will add an interesting color contrast to a Texas Special consist. I doubt these cars have ever been offered before in O scale  - Always a nice “plus”. Email Scott you’d like to see the the Wabash cars added to the offering !!!

Cheers 😉

Wabash thru sleepers would be great. But how about the PRR thru sleepers. A few of us have been asking & we seem to be getting nowhere with them.

Wabash thru sleepers would be great. But how about the PRR thru sleepers. A few of us have been asking & we seem to be getting nowhere with them.

Sorry this is slow. For comparison, I can say it took awhile to get the MP Eagle to its final offering - listing.  
We will get there. 👍🙂

So for now ……  🤔
“Extras” I’m wanting to add —>
*PRR through sleeper    
*Wabash through sleeper  
and Not Mentioned Before
*Frisco METEOR sleeper Cimmaron River BUT in Amtrak Era finish. This would be original paint but with painted smooth silver siding. To me, this would be cool as I think it would be a first private car we can add onto our Amtrak consists.  I frequently see the “Cimmy” passing thru Kirkwood Mo. - a St. Louis suburb.

My Photo.

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For ALL of these, Please Send Scott an Email asking him to add these extras !!!!  AND by all means, when they get listed / offered, Place a Reservation. 😉

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I’ve copied my comment from a Rob Leese thread to add some info here / here in top part

Just some more FYI for everyone.

The early E7s for the Meteor were painted the same as the Texas Specials (MKT and Frisco) except the nose and side Had Only Frisco signage. Pictures of the Frisco E7 are a bit difficult to find - especially in color. This paint version lasted only 2 or 3 years and when E8s were delivered in a different paint scheme, the 7s were redone to almost match. There are tell-tale bits that show their “E7ness”.
I believe 3rd Rails offering of a Meteor E7 is a first. If you like the Meteor and E7s, this one’s for you. 3rd Rail will eventually get to another run of E8s and will undoubtedly offer a Frisco E8. 7s before 8s. It can be your choice. Your other choice is to troll the secondary market. I never see 3rd Rail Tx Specials 7s offered. MTH has 2x offered E8s - about 15 years apart. Early was an ABA - not prototypical. Later        just as individual “A”s and with an unpowered option. These rarely show up. Lionel - I don’t know.
Here’s the 3rd Rail Tx Special. Pretend it has only Frisco markings and you have an early Meteor diesel.  I like 3rd Rail as I can easily remove the lobster claw coupler and replace with the enclosed closed fixed pilot.

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The below pic shows 3rd Rail Frisco E7 on left before removal of coupler. Notice it has fixed pilot.
The E8s are MTH and shows a 3rd or 4th iteration paint scheme (not final).

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The second Paint version has been done by Key Models - very scarce and very expensive (and perhaps only in 2rail ???).  This paint scheme is quite detailed.  Later paint schemes always became more   simple.

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The Frisco Meteor ran with 2 “A” units. They had no “B”s.
FYI - I’m in for an 3rd Rail E7 as I don’t have one !!!  
Cheers 😉

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And just to top off the diesel pix, here is HO pic of a Meteor diesel but Sans the Frisco emblem between the nose and ladder, in the silver area.

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NEW Comments  
I’m trying to stimulate a bit more interest in this offering.  This Texas Special / Meteor offering will be the Most Accurate, Prototypical Offering Ever Done In O Scale !!!  Each car type will have accurate interiors - nothing generic !!!  
The Meteor has Never been done - and is do-able because of almost identical consists (a few car differences).    

It is Possible that Every Car Could be done - if reservations support doing so.  The total number of different cars is Not Large.

Heres hoping the people that bought into the MP T&P Eagle offering will also consider this Tx. Special/ Meteor offering. The attention to ALL the Details will be as accurate as seen with the Eagle !!!

As Scott offers items in my collecting area, I always buy in as it is Always Superior. I Do Sell Off the items it will be replacing - the proceeds get applied to the new item. I’ve done this in MP, Frisco, and MKT areas - engines and passenger cars. (Just how I operate. 🤔)

Just trying to “stir the pot” !!!!!!

Cheers 😉



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A friend recently sent me a stunning (IMO) B&W- colorized picture of the early Meteor E7s passing the old Webster Groves station in southwest St Louis county. I Really Like this image as I live only 10 minutes from here. The image is by Don Wirth - more of a Frisco steam guy. Here is his recent book.

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In a round about way with some help from a friend, I Was Able to Get Permission from Mr. Wirth to use the early E7 image (circa 1947 or 8?) here in the forum. Early Meteor diesel photos are pretty scarce so that make this image pretty special. Look closely - you’ll see only Frisco Logos.  
What a Beauty !!!  
Enjoy !!!!!!

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Used with photo owner Permission  NOTE FROM OGR PUBLISHER:  Greg contacted me prior to this posting concerning his permission to use the photo.

Cheers 😉

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And if you do a Cimarron River, be sure the name is spelled correctly.   One M, two R---Cimarron.

The photo is Cimarron River and J. Pinckney Henderson, an MKT Texas Special coach from the 1950's, rebuilt into a private car.   The red paint on the two cars matched perfectly, although each was painted totally independently, as the cars are owned by different folks.  On a special train in Albuquerque, April 2015.

Tony

Cim River and JP Henderson ABQ April 2015

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And if you do a Cimarron River, be sure the name is spelled correctly.   One M, two R---Cimarron.

The photo is Cimarron River and J. Pinckney Henderson, an MKT Texas Special coach from the 1950's, rebuilt into a private car.   The red paint on the two cars matched perfectly, although each was painted totally independently, as the cars are owned by different folks.  On a special train in Albuquerque, April 2015.

Tony

Cim River and JP Henderson ABQ April 2015

Busted on my earlier misspelling !!!!  Where was spell check ??? 😵‍💫🫣😮.
How embarrassing 😳.  Well … at least it wasn’t on a GGD car.
Anyway, nice photo Tony. Good to see you jump into this thread. Let Scott at Golden Gate know you’d like to see the “Cimmy” done, hopefully as your pic shows - an Amtrak era restoration sans fluting. I’ll make sure the spelling is correct !!! 😜
Cheers 😉

@TrainBub posted:

I’ve copied my comment from a Rob Leese thread to add some info here / here in top part

Just some more FYI for everyone.

The early E7s for the Meteor were painted the same as the Texas Specials (MKT and Frisco) except the nose and side Had Only Frisco signage. Pictures of the Frisco E7 are a bit difficult to find - especially in color. This paint version lasted only 2 or 3 years and when E8s were delivered in a different paint scheme, the 7s were redone to almost match. There are tell-tale bits that show their “E7ness”.
I believe 3rd Rails offering of a Meteor E7 is a first. If you like the Meteor and E7s, this one’s for you. 3rd Rail will eventually get to another run of E8s and will undoubtedly offer a Frisco E8. 7s before 8s. It can be your choice. Your other choice is to troll the secondary market. I never see 3rd Rail Tx Specials 7s offered. MTH has 2x offered E8s - about 15 years apart. Early was an ABA - not prototypical. Later        just as individual “A”s and with an unpowered option. These rarely show up. Lionel - I don’t know.
Here’s the 3rd Rail Tx Special. Pretend it has only Frisco markings and you have an early Meteor diesel.  I like 3rd Rail as I can easily remove the lobster claw coupler and replace with the enclosed closed fixed pilot.

6F42CAB2-5F1D-4270-840A-2ED5F9C161B8

The below pic shows 3rd Rail Frisco E7 on left before removal of coupler. Notice it has fixed pilot.
The E8s are MTH and shows a 3rd or 4th iteration paint scheme (not final).

9D7286BA-96BA-43DD-9AB8-EA47B0EFD801

The second Paint version has been done by Key Models - very scarce and very expensive (and perhaps only in 2rail ???).  This paint scheme is quite detailed.  Later paint schemes always became more   simple.

42106282-AF48-48FE-A9C5-47CAB8786914

The Frisco Meteor ran with 2 “A” units. They had no “B”s.
FYI - I’m in for an 3rd Rail E7 as I don’t have one !!!  
Cheers 😉

==========
And just to top off the diesel pix, here is HO pic of a Meteor diesel but Sans the Frisco emblem between the nose and ladder, in the silver area.

3B5EB5C3-3098-41BF-85D5-D3C276FCFA7A

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NEW Comments  
I’m trying to stimulate a bit more interest in this offering.  This Texas Special / Meteor offering will be the Most Accurate, Prototypical Offering Ever Done In O Scale !!!  Each car type will have accurate interiors - nothing generic !!!  
The Meteor has Never been done - and is do-able because of almost identical consists (a few car differences).    

It is Possible that Every Car Could be done - if reservations support doing so.  The total number of different cars is Not Large.

Heres hoping the people that bought into the MP T&P Eagle offering will also consider this Tx. Special/ Meteor offering. The attention to ALL the Details will be as accurate as seen with the Eagle !!!

As Scott offers items in my collecting area, I always buy in as it is Always Superior. I Do Sell Off the items it will be replacing - the proceeds get applied to the new item. I’ve done this in MP, Frisco, and MKT areas - engines and passenger cars. (Just how I operate. 🤔)

Just trying to “stir the pot” !!!!!!

Cheers 😉



A few years ago, Lionel imported Frisco E8’s in the same as-delivered paint scheme as the Key model, but with the yellow Frisco lettering, which I believe is accurate for the time period shortly after they were delivered.

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Again …. E7s will happen before we see the E8.
But to comment  ….
The Lionel E8 is kinda ok - I wouldn’t have as the nose isn’t quite done correctly. (My opinion - I’m Very Picky !!!) The white part is much to wide. It should a Very Thin accent against the gold. 🤔

Here is the Lionel (top) side by side with the Key.
The Key gold nose with subtile white trim paint is Much better but is off a bit too - a bit to high (to much red visible under the gold.)


Interestingly, the earliest delivered Frisco E8s did Not have the white trim at all and are quite stunning. To see this, google Frisco E8A Twenty Grand. You’ll see this and several paint iterations.  
Cheers 😉

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