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RickO posted:
c.sam posted:

Am sure this has been asked earlier, but is the new legacy Hudson using the K-Line tooling or something new please?

K LINES Hudson is a J1e.

These Hudsons are J3a's. The ones with class lights use Lionel 6-28072 tooling.

Those without class lights use Lionels 6- 38041 tooling. 

These models are basically the same aside from the class lights.

Having said that.  Yes there are some small errors( headlight type for one) but,Lionels 6-38041 Hudson is arguably their most accurate as well as highly detailed hudson.

 

Lionel J3a with a correct headlight thanks to Precision Scale. It will be interesting see if Lionel got it right this time but I wouldn't count on it.

Pete

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Just for mention, 28072 & 38041 share the exact same boiler casting sans some coloring and of course, cab numbers. Differences between to two complete locomotives are all the mentioned differences , time and time again...,it’s easy to make 28072 into a fine model...here’s 28072 complete, next to a 38041 boiler casting...every cast in detail same as.............PatA26B8355-B9A0-49EF-A597-38FFCA1E1DBA

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harmonyards posted:

Just for mention, 28072 & 38041 share the exact same boiler casting sans some coloring and of course, cab numbers. Differences between to two complete locomotives are all the mentioned differences , time and time again...,it’s easy to make 28072 into a fine model...here’s 28072 complete, next to a 38041 boiler casting...every cast in detail same as.............PatA26B8355-B9A0-49EF-A597-38FFCA1E1DBA

Ah, the anniversary set. I do remember RickO and or Norton giving me a lengthy explanation about the differences between these two and other such Hudson's on one of the many Hudson topics. It always seems that the 28072 is out on the bay, and the 38041 comes up every now and again.

superwarp1 posted:

Dave told me it was old tooling, so I'm guessing it's the tooling from the early 2000's J3 with added detail.

I'm guessing its the same tooling with the exact same level of detailing, right down to the incorrect headlight Pete mentioned.

......and if there's any of that bright silver left from recent legacy steamers. It'll have that on the smokebox too.

Yeah I hope so but even still the black grafite that was actually used is a very flat non reflective very dark gray to the point it looked black. This is how it was explained to me. This is the way NYC ordered from ALCO. I want to ask around I am sure someone in Schenectady has a sample of the stuff. 

Yeah, it is a little too shiny. It should be a little lighter than the drive rods I would think since those a darkered and the color chart from the drawing they are very close. A little off, but I can live with it. Someone commented on the video about something else being off as they said when they switched to the bigger tenders that changed, superheaters.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IfvMbX76Vi4

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649B43F0-0F6E-4BF4-BB7B-EDDF92272F68Well Very disappointing for me! Not a new casting!! class light holes filled ONLY!! 

here is a comparison. Oh the second to last photo has the K Line Hudson all black. 

So they got the NYC graphite coating CORRECT on the mohawk!!! The Erie Pacific is correct graphite color. WHY CANT THE GET THIS HUDSON RIGHT??????? It’s not rocket science LIONEL!!  I don’t why these were even accepted by Mr Muffins trains. They should have all been returned to Lionel! obviously they got the order WRONG. I am sure Mr Muffins ordered the correct “DARK” grafite like the Mohawk!! as stated on the description.  This silver not even an attempt at graphite!

How absolutely disappointing. 

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Norm Charbonneau posted:

Parting line across the top of the smokebox forward of the stack is not too cool. Suppose it could be smoothed down if one was to repaint the smokebox.

Good catch Norm! I thought Lionel learned their lesson from the H10 .

No parting lines on any of my  "Reagan era" Legacy stuff, or TMCC stuff for that matter......I'm finding TMCC locos more desirable  these days due to the build quality.

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Is that a flaw in the top right of the smokebox front?  It almost looks like they filled in where the class lights mount on the 28072 tooling intsead of using the 38041 tooling that lacks the class lights.

I think Mr. Muffins custom run is the only one without class lights, so I suppose its "possible" they casted all the boilers and then made the correction for the Muffin order.

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I wonder what they filled it with?

They should have dug around in the chinese warehouse a bit more and found the smokebox front tooling for the 38041 hudson without the class lights.

A few of the models are depicted as having a darker smokebox in the catalog, including the one in the Pacemaker set. It will be interesting to see if thats actually the case.

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My Lionel 1931810 New York Central J3a Hudson #5415 from Mr. Muffins Trains is perfect.

I checked the boiler front and there are NO flaws, divots, or scratches at all.  Can you believe that John Rowlen actually got a perfect engine?  The graphite boiler front is the same color as my Challenger #3985, though the paint has a little shine under lights. The Challenger is completely flat - no reflection.

All features work well after an hour and a half run time.  The engine is pulling five NYC Milk Cars and ten Pennsylvania 21" passenger cars on my minimum O-72 curve "Valley of Bridges" layout.

I will shoot a few more pictures and post them when I go back down stairs to get the wash from the dryer. I tweaked my right knee when I was out raking leaves. Trips down the stairs are at a minimum.  Aspirin is at a maximum.

Sincerely, John Rowlen

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Shouldn’t have to spend this kind of money and regret it! I think i will stay with MTH and Sunset! I got the MTH Premier Challenger last year and EXTREMELY satisfied with it, Sunset CNW 4-8-8 and Sunset NW Y6 GREAT runners Hard pullers!  All my diesels are MTH accept the Legacy NYC e8 (crazy light gray color). 

SLO32,  I would call Mr. Muffins Trains and tell Steve or Jeff about the engine. They did have two engines still available.  The boiler front should be available as parts arrive from China, but leave that for Mr. Muffins to handle.  See if they have another engine to swap.

As some on OGR may remember, my new limited edition Nickle Plate GP35 #910 from Mr. Muffins arrived with paint missing on the front lift bar brackets and two colors of yellow on the end lift bars.  I am waiting for Aaron at Lionel parts to get a replacement front step assembly when parts finally arrive from China. There are no guarantees that Aaron will find the parts in the correct paint. Wish me luck.

Have a Happy Thanksgiving.

Sincerely, John Rowlen

Here are a couple pics of the front of mine. I have some paint loss that  is much more noticeable when the front is open.  I did email Lionel if some paint was available as my fear is it will get worse over time, no reply yet.  Also think one of the steps on the front is bent up but probably an easy fix.  Certainly seems like mine bounced around on the front .

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SLQ32 posted:

Saw The video of the new Hudson YEP SILVER SMOKE BOX! How disappointing. I live 20 minutes out of Schenectady NY specifically asked the ALCO Museum! NYC USED BLACK GRAPHITE Why Lionel insist on these fantasy colors for NYC is pathetic!  Sorry

There seemed to be a certain amount of variation. Dirt and grime enter in, of course, and we're looking at old black and white images. It appears evidence of lighter colors does show through on the boiler fronts in several of the photos, though.

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RickO posted:

Is that a flaw in the top right of the smokebox front?  It almost looks like they filled in where the class lights mount on the 28072 tooling intsead of using the 38041 tooling that lacks the class lights.

I think Mr. Muffins custom run is the only one without class lights, so I suppose its "possible" they casted all the boilers and then made the correction for the Muffin order.

Not quite the only one. I remembered reading a comment that Pat (from Pat's Trains)  made a while back when he was taking orders for his custom Hudson, which some may find of interest.

"I wanted to let you guys know of our solution to the classification lights. I had a great conversation with John Bickford from Lionel today and we talked about the solution of the classification lights on the boiler front. Here is our solution, I will for no extra cost to the customer order extra boiler fronts without the lights and include them for free with the preorder of our Hudson." 

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I did not get a dummy front coupler or a smoke fluid funnel.  Otherwise, my engine is perfect.  I received the nut wrench and pipette and traction tires and a small bag of parts.

Pat did mention that he was getting both boiler fronts for his #5416 Hudson. I contacted him last week and he had no definite date for their arrival. I have a #5416 on order.

Sincerely, John Rowlen

John Rowlen posted:

I did not get a dummy front coupler or a smoke fluid funnel.  Otherwise, my engine is perfect.  I received the nut wrench and pipette and traction tires and a small bag of parts.

Pat did mention that he was getting both boiler fronts for his #5416 Hudson. I contacted him last week and he had no definite date for their arrival. I have a #5416 on order.

Sincerely, John Rowlen

John, I for one, am sure glad your happy!...you definitely deserve a break!.......Pat

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