SLQ32 posted:Did anyone get a dummy front coupler for double heading? I don’t have it in the box.
Mine did not com with one either. I probably wouldn't use it anyway.
Mine looks real good except for that silver painted smoke box. Looks like it would be a job to repaint it. I might have to live with it. The parting line covers the full length of the boiler but it's not that bad.
I gave it a test run. Smoke OFF, water pickup smoke OFF, Blue tooth OFF. Runs extremely smooth on all throttle settings from 1 up. IN REVERSE! forward it vibrated like an Odyssey 1 engine! horrible!
SLO32, I am hoping for the best for your new Hudson. Often new engines have a hesitation in one direction as gears wear-in and the oil that I added moves around the axles and bearings. I use Labelle #107 and have had very good luck getting the engines to run smoothly. I am hoping this is just a run-in/start-up issue.
With the boiler front issue, I would make Mr. Muffins aware as soon as possible. They had two left a couple of days ago. Good luck. The Hudson engines that have been posted on OGR look attractive and have appeared to run smoothly: Pat's and Mr. Muffin's videos. Perhaps the shipping gremlins gave your engine a rough delivery.
Have a good Thanksgiving.
Sincerely, John Rowlen
I was looking at the other ones in Lionel's catalog, we'll have to see if the other runs with the silver boiler are darker than ours. I know the Pacemaker set the Hudson is all black(took a bit of looking on my tiny phone screen to be sure) but two of the others look a dark grey color, one slightly darker than the other.
John i understand running in gears ect. When rebuilding automobile engines a break-in oil is used. I believe special gear lubes are available with a bit of abrasive materials to aid meshing gears ect. The fact it runs smooth one way and not the other i have a hard time believing it is mechanical. It might be sensor adjustment related.
SLQ32 posted:John i understand running in gears ect. When rebuilding automobile engines a break-in oil is used. I believe special gear lubes are available with a bit of abrasive materials to aid meshing gears ect. The fact it runs smooth one way and not the other i have a hard time believing it is mechanical. It might be sensor adjustment related.
Its always good practice on a new steam locomotive to make sure the the eccentrics are in the correct position and the screw is tight. That can cause rough running or even lock up if its too far off.
Pete
Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:I was looking at the other ones in Lionel's catalog, we'll have to see if the other runs with the silver boiler are darker than ours. I know the Pacemaker set the Hudson is all black(took a bit of looking on my tiny phone screen to be sure) but two of the others look a dark grey color, one slightly darker than the other.
Getting back to this since I have more time(on lunch now), I snapped out of the catalog the two engines I cited. These definitely look darker, right? Are they the same color in the catalog as they will have been produced at? Only time will tell.
I think from the catalog discussion as well as one of the "Hudson's they got it wrong again" topics, I don't think many were were ordering those, mostly the Black and the Pacemaker set(at least that is how it seemed back then).
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SLQ32 posted:These are computer renderings.
Yes, I know. My point is will these actually have the right color scheme that they were intended to or will Silverfinger get them too.
Let’s hope so. I hope they use the correct font on tender lettering as well as cab number.
Depending on what the next catalog has in store, I may see about picking up one of the other Hudson's from this earlier catalog. I think I'd go for 5418 since this run has the big tender.
It appears that Pat's Trains posted a photo of his Hudsons on another thread, that he just received. Looks like his version has a dark graphite boiler front.
Great 🙄
And the CORRECT FONT
I seriously don’t understand
Pat's is a all black boiler.
Doug
Is the NYC font the same as Lionel used on the Vision Line Niagara PT Tender? I wonder if the PT tender had a different font.
Depending on the year it entered service, the paint shop my have changed type styles. I do not know, but my Pennsylvania steam engines have different fonts.
Sincerely, John Rowlen
Good Question. All i know is this font is different than all my other NYC locomotives. The font used on other Lionel, MTH, K Line, HO Athearn, Kato, Bowser, Rivarossi, Bachmann and micro-mark decals i have are all the same NYC font.
Practically every photo I see online of the J3A's with the PT centipede tender have san-serif lettering, so Lionel did seem to get that right.
Any NYC engine with a PT tender will have gothic font. NYC changed the font from Railroad Roman to Gothic sometime in the early '40s. The PT tender was introduced after the font change. The J3a's were built in the late 30s when RR font was still in use. Pats engine represents as built as should 5405 and the Pacemaker engine as those TT gray cars were in use before the font change. Any Hudson with the standard tender could use either font depending on era. Same applies to Mohawks. The Niagara would only have gothic font as they came along around '45-'46.
Pete
Thanks for the information. Makes feel a bit better. I didn’t research the actual fonts on the prototype j3 w/PT tender.
breezinup posted:It appears that Pat's Trains posted a photo of his Hudsons on another thread, that he just received. Looks like his version has a dark graphite boiler front.
I thought it was all black actually?
Only thing I’ll add to Pete’s comments, which are correct, is, a locomotive with RR font would have been changed to Gothic when it was shopped after the new font was adopted railroad wide. Obviously not all appliances were re-lettered, especially if a particular appliance was coming to the end of its useful service life. But the general rule of thumb was if it came in for shop, and it had RR font, it got the later font..........Pat
Actually here is the link
https://nycshs.files.wordpress...14/07/pt-tenders.pdf
So they did get it right. My apologies.
If I was a store owner I think I'd ditch making special runs rather than dealing with the constant gripping. These guys, Steve, Pat, Charlie, and others put a lot of effort, time, and funds to get these made and then deal with this every time they do this.
Im sure you can give Lionel grief but after a while I'm sure these guys won't want to even try.
I took a few real close up shots of the boiler to see the phantom class lights spot.
spec of something on the boiler
You can see the "class" spots here
More noticeable here.
This angle very hard to see them.
Close up of the boiler's color
My B6 is much darker(and needs a dusting). I would have thought the color of the Hudson boiler would be much closer or just as dark as the B6's?
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MartyE posted:If I was a store owner I think I'd ditch making special runs rather than dealing with the constant gripping. These guys, Steve, Pat, Charlie, and others put a lot of effort, time, and funds to get these made and then deal with this every time they do this.
Im sure you can give Lionel grief but after a while I'm sure these guys won't want to even try.
I really appreciate these guys going out on a limb to try and give us what we wanted. I love my engine no matter what and even thanked Steve at York for doing so. If I could have bought from the others, I would have done so as well and not griped one bit. They did what they did to give us what we wanted, and I myself am very pleased with the end result. Sometimes Marty, we get stuck counting the rivets, I try not to but want to be educated in what the engine(or other such things) are supposed to be.
Thanks again @MrMuffin'sTrains, I am a very satisfied customer.
MartyE posted:If I was a store owner I think I'd ditch making special runs rather than dealing with the constant gripping. These guys, Steve, Pat, Charlie, and others put a lot of effort, time, and funds to get these made and then deal with this every time they do this.
Im sure you can give Lionel grief but after a while I'm sure these guys won't want to even try.
I myself am not griping at Any Store owner who put in the effort to get these special runs made. I appreciate it! My gripe is with Lionel for poor QC! missing parts, Bad running gear, ect!
Some save and budget for these. At this price point i shouldn’t need a 4 leaf clover up my..... And pray i receive a “good one”
If my #5415 Hudson has any hint of a marker light dimple, I will tell friends that the engine hit a cow, no BULL, … and the hoof put a dent in the boiler front. That is my story and I'm sticking to it.
Sincerely, John Rowlen
MartyE posted:If I was a store owner I think I'd ditch making special runs rather than dealing with the constant gripping. These guys, Steve, Pat, Charlie, and others put a lot of effort, time, and funds to get these made and then deal with this every time they do this.
No one is blaming the dealers for putting these together. We can thank these dealers for offering more accurate models than Lionel themselves.
It's on Lionel. Why couldn't they produce a Loco with the proper smoke box color? Ya know . The same dark graphite that was used on every Lionel steamer for over a decade prior to the Legacy H10. In fact the Tmcc H10 has the correct dark color.
Additionally , why not go through the effort of using the boiler front tooling from the 38041 Hudson instead of the sloppy hole patch job done to fill the 28072 boiler front class lights?
Why doesnt Lionel back up their dealers by providing a quality product for the dealers to sell. Or maybe dealers will just stop selling Lionel altogether.
These locomotives are not even new. They are reruns like most other offerings. How can a manufacturer make errors on things it got right 10+ years ago?
What else in life do you purchase for over $1000 and either have to fix yourself or say....well...that's good enough?
Maybe a little less silliness ,and more time spent on paint colors, gearbox engineering, soundboard capacity, etc etc would yield better results.
Lionel doesn’t care about it. It’s all about the bean counters maximizing profits and bottom line for shareholders.
Just my opinion
I think it’s fantastic personally. it matches art steve provided when ordering.
I received mine today and I think it is terrific. Yes there are some really minor spots on the boiler front from where the class lights were. But I have to get real close and put light on it to see it. I don't think anybody would notice unless you get a flashlight and magnifying glass out when somebody comes over. Nobody will see that when they are running. I looked at the bell and it makes a smaller amount of the wobbly look as seen in the video above just sitting on my desk under a ceiling fan. May have to figure out a way to make it more heavier to prevent that. The Graphite looks fine to me and it matches several pictures in "Know Thy Hudson" and"Thoroughbreds" and looks just like the picture Muffins had on his pre-order page and is still on his site now. I think it is a winner. Thank you Steve.
My 5418 shows up Friday and I will get a shot of them side by side. It will have the same Graphite Boiler front as this is what Ryan had told me. I am real excited about the BoxPox drivers as I think they are really cool looking. Also the the 5410 in the Pacemaker Set will be a sister engine to 5416 that Pat has done with black boiler front as this is also what Ryan told me - time will tell.
My dealer says sets are due about mid December - we shall see.
The engine I would like to see is the 5452 - does it have a black boiler front?
@RickO I agree with you with the manufacturers. It seems time and time again that they are either a little off the mark, or something has completely slipped through. I really do hope that they get their A Game going and don't stop. I am fairly sure that all the dealer's are still given them H-E-double hockey sticks as my local dealer has said a few times in the past(the great catalog fiasco comes to mind).
If they want to continue to have record sales, they are going to have to stop having recalls become common place. Word is still out on the Mogul(don't get me started the crowd says). We know that new toolings are expensive, they all tell us so. We know. So, the basics become to either get correct toolings, or do the dang best they can with what they have. I really hope and pray(I pray differently then most, I don't ask for much, lol) that whatever they have planned for the January 20th unveiling, that they have done everything possible, and hold the factories in check so that there aren't any serious issues with what comes out for the final product. I know I can't make a locomotive worth anything, but I know that the community at large can take something old and turn it into something that will work much better than some of the stuff we see that is new.
One can only hope that we get their best possible creation every time.
I’m curious....lately on this forum, I’ve had a lot of curiosity with some of these threads.....so you fellas that are disappointed and dissatisfied with your Hudsons...whatcha gonna do? Are you fellas keepin them or are they going back? Please note, I’m not choosing sides, I’d just like to know if the problems are so grave ( to you guys individually) that it warrants a return/refund..........Pat
harmonyards posted:I’m curious....lately on this forum, I’ve had a lot of curiosity with some of these threads.....so you fellas that are disappointed and dissatisfied with your Hudsons...whatcha gonna do? Are you fellas keepin them or are they going back? Please note, I’m not choosing sides, I’d just like to know if the problems are so grave ( to you guys individually) that it warrants a return/refund..........Pat
There are no sides, In my case i just want a proper working $1,300 product. I was disappointed in the boiler color. I prefer the dark graphite on my Lionel Mohawk. but just this. I am however upset about the horrible way it runs in forward. vibrating increasingly with speed from 1 (on the cab 2 remote) Reverse is absolutely smooth. Of coarse i will have to have to send it back to have it looked at. But i need this?
@RICKO is spot on with his reply. What is most frustrating to me is that this stuff should be simple to get right (i.e. paint color , better packaging to prevent shipping damage) I believe the paint chipping on mine is from the front flopping open/closed during transport because it’s not secured . I have reached out to Lionel , hoping they will send me some paint to touch it up , they seem to have plenty .
