Yes, there have been several versions of the new Lionel NYC J3a Hudson announced in the 2019V1 Catalog and through other dealers' special runs. However, for some of you, this is the one that you asked to have made, and it's being made as an exclusive for MrMuffin'sTrains by Lionel. 

It's features include:

  • All black; no white walls or white stripes
  • No class lights
  • All boxpok wheels
  • Dark grey boiler – no silver
  • Darkened siderods
  • Darkened cylinder caps
  • PT Tender, with water scoop steam effect
  • Road # 5415

This version is pictured in the book Thoroughbreds by Staufer and May on page 174.

I will send out the confirming art work to all that pre-order this engine from MrMuffin'sTrains when we receive it from Lionel, so you can verify the features are being manufactured as described. 

The MSRP for the J3a's with the PT tender and water scoop steam effect is $1499.99, and we will be taking pre-orders for this engine at $1349.99 through the end of February. 

To preorder yours, use this link, and no deposit is required - just select "pre-order" at checkout. 

Thank you.........  

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I think I know the answer but I will ask anyways. Can I get one just like this except with class lights? I know it's not likely as you can't make every possible configuration desired. If not though, will it be possible to get new boxpok drivers from Lionel? 

I'm speaking from preference, not necessarily from prototypical correctness so there is no reason to debate. My best option is likely one of the two offered in the catalog with the PT tenders and change the drivers myself if they are available.

Randy_B posted:

I think I know the answer but I will ask anyways. Can I get one just like this except with class lights? I know it's not likely as you can't make every possible configuration desired. If not though, will it be possible to get new boxpok drivers from Lionel? 

Why not get this one and then trade someone who has bought one of the Lionel Catalog items with Class lights and swap fronts? I think there are more than a few of us willing to do that.

Pete

I'm not sure what is involved with adding lights but it seems like it would be easier to swap the drivers if they aren't pressed on. I will probably go with the all disc one in the case that boxpok wheels are not available as I don't want to end up with mixed, prototypical or not.

Randy_B posted:

I'm not sure what is involved with adding lights but it seems like it would be easier to swap the drivers if they aren't pressed on. I will probably go with the all disc one in the case that boxpok wheels are not available as I don't want to end up with mixed, prototypical or not.

First you have assume Lionel will sell you drivers without the frame. Currently you have to buy the complete frame for the earlier J3s to get the drivers. Then assume they haven't used loctite on the screws. They did use Loctite on the TMCC drivers so you will want to buy new screws in case you have to drill some out. BTDT.

I would be surprised if Lionel omitted the Class LEDs even on the fronts without markers. It should be just a matter of swapping fronts and inserting the LEDs in the markers.

I actually have a front from 5444 that I would be willing to swap for a front without the class lights. Number plates and headlights are screwed on to the front so changing them out is no big deal.

Thats why I have suggested Lionel just include both styles of fronts with the engine and eliminated most of the discussion about this matter.

Pete

 

If the wiring was the same for all of them in the case of the lights and they're easily changed to exactly match ones produced with them then that's a possibility. I wasn't sure what all would be involved with the drivers and that sounds much more involved. It's just a little frustrating that there are now 6 variants and not one checks all of the boxes.

Lionel had made the drivers available for separate sale when they messed up the J3 from 2001. They delivered the engine with disc wheels when they were catalog with boxpok. I had purchased a few sets. It took 25 minutes to change them out. The drivers are held on with a Philips screw. I'm sure if Lionel wanted to satisfy everybody, they would make the various drivers available for anybody that wanted a certain look.

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superwarp1 posted:

First Pic from the Rutland RR FB page, second photo from Richard Leonard's collection

Thank you so much for these pictures. 

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NVisich posted:

Lionel had made the drivers available for separate sale when they messed up the J3 from 2001. They delivered the engine with disc wheels when they were catalog with boxpok. I had purchased a few sets. It took 25 minutes to change them out. The drivers are held on with a Philips screw. I'm sure if Lionel wanted to satisfy everybody, they would make the various drivers available for anybody that wanted a certain look.

boxpokA

boxpokB

boxpokC

Good to know. 

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I had that engine from 2001, the traction tires were on the center driver and the engine bobbed up and down, rocked back and forth.  Order the kit and the traction tire was one the rear driver.  The mod was more than changing out the wrong drivers than what was cataloged.

MrMuffin'sTrains posted:
superwarp1 posted:

First Pic from the Rutland RR FB page, second photo from Richard Leonard's collection

Thank you so much for these pictures. 

I got my order in last night.  I think I can speak for many of us when I say Thank you!!!!! for getting this done for us!!!!   Maybe when they arrive I can bring a few friends out and to see your place and pick it up.  Thanks again Sir!

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jeremy ferrell posted:
MrMuffin'sTrains posted:
superwarp1 posted:

First Pic from the Rutland RR FB page, second photo from Richard Leonard's collection

Thank you so much for these pictures. 

I got my order in last night.  I think I can speak for many of us when I say Thank you!!!!! for getting this done for us!!!!   Maybe when they arrive I can bring a few friends out and to see your place and pick it up.  Thanks again Sir!

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RickO posted:

Is there a limited number of these being produced Steve?

The minimum number that we need to order is 25 with Lionel.... I am under the understanding that I can bump that number up some as long as I do it before the catalog order date which is 3/08... So, we will make at least 25 of these.... I don't want anyone to miss out, however, I will not be ordering extras..... 

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Norton posted:
Randy_B posted:

I think I know the answer but I will ask anyways. Can I get one just like this except with class lights? I know it's not likely as you can't make every possible configuration desired. If not though, will it be possible to get new boxpok drivers from Lionel? 

Why not get this one and then trade someone who has bought one of the Lionel Catalog items with Class lights and swap fronts? I think there are more than a few of us willing to do that.

Pete

Right here, I’ll trade ya out!....lol........Pat

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MrMuffin'sTrains posted:
RickO posted:

Is there a limited number of these being produced Steve?

The minimum number that we need to order is 25 with Lionel.... I am under the understanding that I can bump that number up some as long as I do it before the catalog order date which is 3/08... So, we will make at least 25 of these.... I don't want anyone to miss out, however, I will not be ordering extras..... 

When the minimum of 25 have been ordered Steve, will you let us know on here?

John Rowlen posted:

Is it possible to have this engine come with two boiler fronts, one with classification lights and another without?

Another dealer is including both fronts with his Hudsons.

Sincerely, John Rowlen

mr muffins is offering an exact representation of 5415, as it ran on the NYC for us scale/rivet counter types.  Why offer class lights when it never had them.  If you want them order from the other dealer.

Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:
MrMuffin'sTrains posted:
RickO posted:

Is there a limited number of these being produced Steve?

The minimum number that we need to order is 25 with Lionel.... I am under the understanding that I can bump that number up some as long as I do it before the catalog order date which is 3/08... So, we will make at least 25 of these.... I don't want anyone to miss out, however, I will not be ordering extras..... 

When the minimum of 25 have been ordered Steve, will you let us know on here?

I’m pretty sure Steve will order as many as he has orders for, weather that’s 25 or 50. With Lionel more than happy to produce but with a deadline of 3/8/19 to get orders in.  I’m guessing by Christmas?

I am almost to 25 now, so keep them coming.... happy to order from Lionel whatever you guys pre-order.... 

Our C420 special runs are filling up too.... really exciting.... 

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superwarp1 posted:

Another question.  Weathering, can these be sent out to someone before delivery to the customer?  Maybe Harry Hieke?

Really up to Harry. We have had customers arrange weathering with him and we’ve shipped the engines to him directly. 

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Just placed my order for #5415!

Traveling last few days so missed the post on first day.  I had a hard time picking which J3a to pre-order. I decided & ordered #5405 last week. Now I guess I'll be getting 2 this year....wife will go ballistic (if I'm still married by then)!

 

Doug

Bulldog_65 posted:

Just placed my order for #5415!

Traveling last few days so missed the post on first day.  I had a hard time picking which J3a to pre-order. I decided & ordered #5405 last week. Now I guess I'll be getting 2 this year....wife will go ballistic (if I'm still married by then)!

 

Doug

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I ordered my 5415 earlier today, February 8, 2019.  The email from Mr. Muffins said they had 22 pre-orders. Mine would make another at 23 or more.  It should be a beautiful engine.  For all the trains in my collection, the only Hudsons are the Empire State Express #5426 and #5429 with plated tenders that pull my two sets of 21" NYC ESE passenger cars.

It will be good to have steam engines for pulling freight; this #5415 and the #5416 Hudson are pre-ordered.  It will be a busy Christmas season with their arrivals.

Sincerely, John Rowlen

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We topped 33 tonight. Pretty exciting. 

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I would like to point out that there are two different price points for these engines - the lower one is $1399.99 list with the 12 wheel tender, and the upper one is $1499.99 with the PT Tender with the simulated water blow down..... we are discounting the special run we are doing with the PT Tender 10% off of MSRP - or $1349.99

Here are our prices for the other J3a's :

  • Lionel L-1931450 New York Central LEGACY J3 #5405 - with 12 wheel tender - sale priced at $1259.99
  • Lionel L-1931460 New York Central LEGACY J3 #5413 - with PT Tender - sale priced at $1349.99
  • Lionel L-1931470 New York Central LEGACY J3 #5418 - with 12 wheel tender - sale priced at $1259.99
  • Lionel L-1931480 New York Central LEGACY J3 #5452 - with PT Tender - sale priced at $1349.99
  • Lionel L-1922050 New York Central Pacemaker set J3 #5410 - with 12 wheel tender - with 4 heavyweight passenger cars and sale priced at $1799.99

 

If you'd like NYC J3a #5410 without the passenger cars, I will do a set breakup and sell just the engine to you, for the first three guys that ask, at the $1259.99 price. Order one here.

 

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Super O Bob posted:

33?  Wow...  soon you should think about offering a SECOND cab number!  I am sure there are alot more like me who take all the time up to order deadline to decide what to get!

 

Interesting idea - the second cab number.... we are at 37 this evening.... 

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MrMuffin'sTrains posted:
Super O Bob posted:

33?  Wow...  soon you should think about offering a SECOND cab number!  I am sure there are alot more like me who take all the time up to order deadline to decide what to get!

 

Interesting idea - the second cab number.... we are at 37 this evening.... 

Rather than another cab number just lobby Lionel to include a marker free smokebox front with every engine. That alone would sell significantly more than 37 engines.

Pete

Norton posted:
MrMuffin'sTrains posted:
Super O Bob posted:

33?  Wow...  soon you should think about offering a SECOND cab number!  I am sure there are alot more like me who take all the time up to order deadline to decide what to get!

 

Interesting idea - the second cab number.... we are at 37 this evening.... 

Rather than another cab number just lobby Lionel to include a marker free smokebox front with every engine. That alone would sell significantly more than 37 engines.

Pete

Yep, this would surely help the catalogued locomotives sell better...........Pat

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Norton posted:
MrMuffin'sTrains posted:
Super O Bob posted:

33?  Wow...  soon you should think about offering a SECOND cab number!  I am sure there are alot more like me who take all the time up to order deadline to decide what to get!

 

Interesting idea - the second cab number.... we are at 37 this evening.... 

Rather than another cab number just lobby Lionel to include a marker free smokebox front with every engine. That alone would sell significantly more than 37 engines.

Pete

But, Steve already did lobby Lionel and put his money where his mouth was. He went on the hook for a whole bunch of expensive engines without marker lights.  Why would he lobby for everyone else to get the same thing he’s already financially committed to provide for his customers?

Rider Sandman posted:
Norton posted:
MrMuffin'sTrains posted:
Super O Bob posted:

33?  Wow...  soon you should think about offering a SECOND cab number!  I am sure there are alot more like me who take all the time up to order deadline to decide what to get!

 

Interesting idea - the second cab number.... we are at 37 this evening.... 

Rather than another cab number just lobby Lionel to include a marker free smokebox front with every engine. That alone would sell significantly more than 37 engines.

Pete

But, Steve already did lobby Lionel and put his money where his mouth was. He went on the hook for a whole bunch of expensive engines without marker lights.  Why would he lobby for everyone else to get the same thing he’s already financially committed to provide for his customers?

I’m not 100% sure where you were going with this, and I can’t speak for Steve’s business model, but I also can’t see where offering a second boiler front in the regular cataloged line would hurt anything or anyone. Infact, it would help the other locomotives move.The folks that ordered the special Hudson from Steve, I would think ordered for more reasons than just the boiler front....those orders are comitted by the customer who placed the BTO special custom run. Steve has added another SKU to his product line in his store. Now add the desired part to the rest of the SKU’s, and those people on the fence for a specific cataloged SKU, will be more likely to purchase the model they want.......correct me if I’m wrong, but the name of the game in retail sales is volume. Not just from a single custom SKU.......not picking a fight Sandman, just seeing if I’m on your frequency or not..........Pat

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What is cool about second cab number is that you can cut sales off at 25 on each one.  It maintains the exclusivity and collectability.  Plus no doubt you might get guys who want to doublehead them and order more than one.

I would rather have 1 of 25 of a great hudson, than one of 48! 

And i personally know several guys who would buy more than one cab number...  lots of us want hudson to come out of the box with NO class lights...

The demand is there, lionel minimum of 25 only helps you...

Bob

Lionel Fan and Super "O" Track Enthusiast

Rider Sandman posted:
Norton posted:
MrMuffin'sTrains posted:
Super O Bob posted:

33?  Wow...  soon you should think about offering a SECOND cab number!  I am sure there are alot more like me who take all the time up to order deadline to decide what to get!

 

Interesting idea - the second cab number.... we are at 37 this evening.... 

Rather than another cab number just lobby Lionel to include a marker free smokebox front with every engine. That alone would sell significantly more than 37 engines.

Pete

But, Steve already did lobby Lionel and put his money where his mouth was. He went on the hook for a whole bunch of expensive engines without marker lights.  Why would he lobby for everyone else to get the same thing he’s already financially committed to provide for his customers?

Kudos to Steve for stepping up and offering a more prototypically correct model but why would he have to put any money up to do this? These are BTOs and if he didn't get at .least 25 orders none would have been produced. Now that they will get produced the only way he is put out on a limb is if everyone backs out and he is stuck with the lot.

BTW he wouldn't have to lobby for Lionel to include these fronts with every model, only for the ones he sells. 

Were these still available from Lionel as they once were I would have done that myself, assured I could resell every one I had.

In this case Steve is producing a model representing the engine in service. I already have two of those and many more in other classes. The only one I am interested in is the first one of the class as shown in the builders photo. Lionel's is close but it could be better. If its possible to get it better I am in. 

Pete

I applaud the muffin man for going NO CLASS LIGHTS out of the box.  That assures the front of engine must be painted to match.

Just slapping a front end part on from service may not look as good because there is no way to track down all the different smokebox colors and get a match with the front.  This is what worries me.

I have seen smokebox colors vary alot in these catalog pics, like 3 different colors it appears.  So i want my completed engine to match...

Now, if i can inspire the second cab number to be a little different...  i want the cool disc drivers on a black engine!

Bob

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Without reference to catalog pictures this is confusing. I am trying to figure out, will Mr. Muffin's Hudson look like catalog pictured Hudson No. 5452 (with disc wheels), PT tender, and the primary difference being new cab # and no classification lights? Anything else different?

Paul Kallus posted:

Without reference to catalog pictures this is confusing. I am trying to figure out, will Mr. Muffin's Hudson look like catalog pictured Hudson No. 5452 (with disc wheels), PT tender, and the primary difference being new cab # and no classification lights? Anything else different?

Read the initial post, Steve listed the specs clearly line item by line item.....it’s all right there........Pat

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harmonyards posted:
Paul Kallus posted:

Without reference to catalog pictures this is confusing. I am trying to figure out, will Mr. Muffin's Hudson look like catalog pictured Hudson No. 5452 (with disc wheels), PT tender, and the primary difference being new cab # and no classification lights? Anything else different?

Read the initial post, Steve listed the specs clearly line item by line item.....it’s all right there........Pat

I read the description again...I was trying to extrapolate what'd it look like from one of the catalog pictures, but it'll be quite unique if I understand the description correctly. I have been waiting for a Lionel scale Hudson for a few years now, but in B&A roadname.

harmonyards posted:
Rider Sandman posted:
Norton posted:
MrMuffin'sTrains posted:
Super O Bob posted:

33?  Wow...  soon you should think about offering a SECOND cab number!  I am sure there are alot more like me who take all the time up to order deadline to decide what to get!

 

Interesting idea - the second cab number.... we are at 37 this evening.... 

Rather than another cab number just lobby Lionel to include a marker free smokebox front with every engine. That alone would sell significantly more than 37 engines.

Pete

But, Steve already did lobby Lionel and put his money where his mouth was. He went on the hook for a whole bunch of expensive engines without marker lights.  Why would he lobby for everyone else to get the same thing he’s already financially committed to provide for his customers?

I’m not 100% sure where you were going with this, and I can’t speak for Steve’s business model, but I also can’t see where offering a second boiler front in the regular cataloged line would hurt anything or anyone. Infact, it would help the other locomotives move.The folks that ordered the special Hudson from Steve, I would think ordered for more reasons than just the boiler front....those orders are comitted by the customer who placed the BTO special custom run. Steve has added another SKU to his product line in his store. Now add the desired part to the rest of the SKU’s, and those people on the fence for a specific cataloged SKU, will be more likely to purchase the model they want.......correct me if I’m wrong, but the name of the game in retail sales is volume. Not just from a single custom SKU.......not picking a fight Sandman, just seeing if I’m on your frequency or not..........Pat

Hey Pat, also definitely not picking a spat - this is all fun stuff!  My only concern - and I think Pete hit on it in his response - is that Steve committed to something unique that if it becomes “ununique” might cause folks to back out and leave him stuck with some of these engines. Remember, he is one of the guys who never requires a deposit. So, my point was intended to be that it may not be in his best interest to lobby for all SKUs (available from everyone) to have the same unique feature his specific SKU does. 

Rider Sandman posted:
harmonyards posted:
Rider Sandman posted:
Norton posted:
MrMuffin'sTrains posted:
Super O Bob posted:

33?  Wow...  soon you should think about offering a SECOND cab number!  I am sure there are alot more like me who take all the time up to order deadline to decide what to get!

 

Interesting idea - the second cab number.... we are at 37 this evening.... 

Rather than another cab number just lobby Lionel to include a marker free smokebox front with every engine. That alone would sell significantly more than 37 engines.

Pete

But, Steve already did lobby Lionel and put his money where his mouth was. He went on the hook for a whole bunch of expensive engines without marker lights.  Why would he lobby for everyone else to get the same thing he’s already financially committed to provide for his customers?

I’m not 100% sure where you were going with this, and I can’t speak for Steve’s business model, but I also can’t see where offering a second boiler front in the regular cataloged line would hurt anything or anyone. Infact, it would help the other locomotives move.The folks that ordered the special Hudson from Steve, I would think ordered for more reasons than just the boiler front....those orders are comitted by the customer who placed the BTO special custom run. Steve has added another SKU to his product line in his store. Now add the desired part to the rest of the SKU’s, and those people on the fence for a specific cataloged SKU, will be more likely to purchase the model they want.......correct me if I’m wrong, but the name of the game in retail sales is volume. Not just from a single custom SKU.......not picking a fight Sandman, just seeing if I’m on your frequency or not..........Pat

Hey Pat, also definitely not picking a spat - this is all fun stuff!  My only concern - and I think Pete hit on it in his response - is that Steve committed to something unique that if it becomes “ununique” might cause folks to back out and leave him stuck with some of these engines. Remember, he is one of the guys who never requires a deposit. So, my point was intended to be that it may not be in his best interest to lobby for all SKUs (available from everyone) to have the same unique feature his specific SKU does. 

Yes, I see that point....and I see the possible pitfall for Steve,....I’d like to hope the folks that ordered the custom run would not back out if they did, they’d certainly deserve to be tarred and feathered....you are quite correct, Steve is out on a limb, and certainly deserves high praises for his efforts, so I tip my hat to him......perhaps if Steve holds some sort of exclusive or comes up with a plan to offer these other key components folks are looking for (myself included) it’ll just be a win win for Steve.....merely a suggestion, not setting anything to stone.........Pat

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Paul Kallus posted:
harmonyards posted:
Paul Kallus posted:

Without reference to catalog pictures this is confusing. I am trying to figure out, will Mr. Muffin's Hudson look like catalog pictured Hudson No. 5452 (with disc wheels), PT tender, and the primary difference being new cab # and no classification lights? Anything else different?

Read the initial post, Steve listed the specs clearly line item by line item.....it’s all right there........Pat

I read the description again...I was trying to extrapolate what'd it look like from one of the catalog pictures, but it'll be quite unique if I understand the description correctly. I have been waiting for a Lionel scale Hudson for a few years now, but in B&A roadname.

Paul, I hear ya, and on another thread they’ve been discussing the B&A J2s......I think the three major drawbacks to using the current tooling for B&A’s are the driver diameter, the unique sand box, and the 4 axle tender that the B&A had coupled to their Hudsons.....Pete (Norton) and I were just talking the other day how a Premeir Blue Comet tender would almost be a dead ringer for a B&A J2 ....interesting promise for some future kitbashing.....Pat

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I don't see why anyone would "back out" if Lionel provided fronts for all of their hudsons.

Steves a reputable dealer that offers free shipping. And.....

This loco is still the only one thats all black, with a PT tender and boxpok drivers. The lack of class lights is just the icing on the cake.

With all of the different offerings, Pats offering an optional boiler front now too.  Given Lionels recent manufacturing issues. Does anyone honestly think theres no possibility of someone getting class lights that shouldn't and/ or shorted the extra boiler front?

 An extra boiler front for every loco( proper color of course), might be a touch easier for the factory to get right.

It would still be Steve that "got it done". I'm sure it wouldn't hurt his reputation.

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harmonyards posted:
Paul Kallus posted:
harmonyards posted:
Paul Kallus posted:

Without reference to catalog pictures this is confusing. I am trying to figure out, will Mr. Muffin's Hudson look like catalog pictured Hudson No. 5452 (with disc wheels), PT tender, and the primary difference being new cab # and no classification lights? Anything else different?

Read the initial post, Steve listed the specs clearly line item by line item.....it’s all right there........Pat

I read the description again...I was trying to extrapolate what'd it look like from one of the catalog pictures, but it'll be quite unique if I understand the description correctly. I have been waiting for a Lionel scale Hudson for a few years now, but in B&A roadname.

Paul, I hear ya, and on another thread they’ve been discussing the B&A J2s......I think the three major drawbacks to using the current tooling for B&A’s are the driver diameter, the unique sand box, and the 4 axle tender that the B&A had coupled to their Hudsons.....Pete (Norton) and I were just talking the other day how a Premeir Blue Comet tender would almost be a dead ringer for a B&A J2 ....interesting promise for some future kitbashing.....Pat

I myself would like to see some B&A as well, but I don't think this tooling would do for it. Perhaps Steve can influence Lionel to offer them in the future as well as our voices. It would be great if they would make what is right and what we all want, but those are hard to come by. I am pretty certain that if these Hudson sales(their cataloged ones) do very well, this will open the door to try and pursue making others.

RickO posted:

I don't see why anyone would "back out" if Lionel provided fronts for all of their hudsons.

Steves a reputable dealer that offers free shipping. And.....

This loco is still the only one thats all black, with a PT tender and boxpok drivers. The lack of class lights is just the icing on the cake.

With all of the different offerings, Pats offering an optional boiler front now too.  Given Lionels recent manufacturing issues. Does anyone honestly think theres no possibility of someone getting class lights that shouldn't and/ or shorted the extra boiler front?

 An extra boiler front for every loco( proper color of course), might be a touch easier for the factory to get right.

It would still be Steve that "got it done". I'm sure it wouldn't hurt his reputation.

I agree RICKO, the only way I'm not getting the engine Steve is offering that I purchased is if I die before delivery. I don't see that happening though.

RickO posted:

I don't see why anyone would "back out" if Lionel provided fronts for all of their hudsons.

Steves a reputable dealer that offers free shipping. And.....

This loco is still the only one thats all black, with a PT tender and boxpok drivers. The lack of class lights is just the icing on the cake.

With all of the different offerings, Pats offering an optional boiler front now too.  Given Lionels recent manufacturing issues. Does anyone honestly think theres no possibility of someone getting class lights that shouldn't and/ or shorted the extra boiler front?

 An extra boiler front for every loco( proper color of course), might be a touch easier for the factory to get right.

It would still be Steve that "got it done". I'm sure it wouldn't hurt his reputation.

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Thanks for supporting this project.... All we did is listen to what you guys said you wanted and tried to make it happen.... Lionel was very receptive.... I am really excited about it..... Same thing with the NKP #757..... You know, us Muffins are in the hobby too, and there are projects for engines, like my Monons, that we have been able to do because others jumped in and helped.... I am all ears on the B&A and I would like to see the NKP #170 too.... There will be more special runs down the road, I am sure.... Thanks again. 

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wmcwood posted:

I’ve been waiting for a re-released J3a for a while, then I couldn't decide on the version I wanted.  After a week of going back and forth.. .. 5415 ..5416..5415......5416 

I finally decided 5415 it is. 

Just placed the preorder. 

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wmcwood posted:

I’ve been waiting for a re-released J3a for a while, then I couldn't decide on the version I wanted.  After a week of going back and forth.. .. 5415 ..5416..5415......5416 

I finally decided 5415 it is. 

Just placed the preorder. 

~Bill

 

A week?  I am still deciding...  i usually drag mine out so it gives me something to take my mind off things...

I will decide at end of this month!

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Super O Bob posted:
wmcwood posted:

I’ve been waiting for a re-released J3a for a while, then I couldn't decide on the version I wanted.  After a week of going back and forth.. .. 5415 ..5416..5415......5416 

I finally decided 5415 it is. 

Just placed the preorder. 

~Bill

 

A week?  I am still deciding...  i usually drag mine out so it gives me something to take my mind off things...

I will decide at end of this month!

The decision may be made a lot easier for you by the end of the month. From what I last read both Muffin's and Pat's are down to 3 left.

Skip  

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This was the e mail I received from STEVE on Sunday.  I then ordered mine.

37 J3a's are ordered - we can do 40; lots of sales on Lionel; MTH Arrivals; don't miss out on Stockyard Express' military flat cars. Maybe an LV C420?

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Norton posted:
superwarp1 posted:

Wonder why the limit is 40?  More sales equals more money for all involved.  Maybe Steve can comment.

I am guessing exclusivity, collectability. Also gets the procrastinators off the fence.

Pete

You figure the drop dead date of 3/8 to get orders in to Lionel  would get the procrastinators off you know what.  But, I don't know the in and outs of these dealer /Lionel special run agreements.

"Steve you do a run of a B&A Hudsons, with the short tender square Sandome and paint them green with grey smoke box.    Man I’ll dont know what I’ll do"

I haven't read this entire thread, so maybe this gets mentioned above, but:

The B&A Hudsons were J2's (essentially J1's, like the 5344 and 200 or so others, but with smaller, 75" drivers), not J3's. AB&A "J3" (no such animal) would make the wee class light issue fade into nothingness. Why would you want the wrong engine, when all you have to do, pretty much, is get a non-Vision Lionel J1 (Pullmor, but OK) or an MTH J1 and letter it for B&A? The small sandbox is even accurate at the beginning, and a modeler could take care of the big box, anyway.

Probably covered above, but I couldn't help it. Bad idea.

Our plan is to have all of the engines you guys want, and ordered, by 3/01 made.... I have to give Lionel a final number before 3/08..... we are significantly over 40 now..... Thank you, all.... 

In my opinion, I think announcing an "only xx are available" at this point is sort of unfair to you guys - creates a false scarcity.... Once we get past 3/08, then the production number is locked in, and there will only be xx available.... Given the cost of these things, I can't afford to order more than you guys pre-order from me. It took me 2 years to sell all of the Lionel ESE Hudson's I ordered based on the pre-orders I had received. Ouch. 

On the diesels, if I can get say half of the minimum quantity pre-ordered, then I am willing to take the risk on the rest - I know they will sell, though it will take a little longer than one would like.... 

Right now I don't have enough pre-orders for the NKP GP-35; the D&H C420; and the LV C420 to go ahead and make them.... Still like 3 weeks to go - maybe we will make it. I just need a few more of each.

All three C420's in Monon and the ex-Monon L&N have plenty of pre-orders. 

Our pal, David, suggested we make the LV with the silver trucks - what do you think? I would like to do two of them - but I need more pre-orders!

tr_lv407

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Thanks again Steve for clarifying the order date and number of order. It is great that the quota was made, and like most LHS's only order what the pre-order quantity is. My LHS does the same as well. A few years ago I had asked about some other engine that was available the year before and I happen to get lucky(M1A Coal Hauler Set). I got that no problem and asked about something else and asked in the same sentence if they ordered extra. It is not something that is good unless they know they can sell them, big steam engines tend to sit where diesels can more easily be sold. I love steam and will always get my full head of steam.

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I believe that he said that Lionel would have the delivery sometime around the 1st and that it typically takes about 10 days or so to get to them. I don't know if it is business days, but I would lean on that being what he meant. I'm sure that there will be an email and post here when they are in and shipping, so hold fast.

I talked with Lionel on the 31st and they told me it would be this week sometime before they are in.... We can take a couple more preorders.... Regularly $1499.99 - Pre-order sale priced at $1349.99.

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c.sam posted:

Am sure this has been asked earlier, but is the new legacy Hudson using the K-Line tooling or something new please?

K LINES Hudson is a J1e.

These Hudsons are J3a's. The ones with class lights use Lionel 6-28072 tooling.

Those without class lights use Lionels 6- 38041 tooling. 

These models are basically the same aside from the class lights.

Having said that.  Yes there are some small errors( headlight type for one) but,Lionels 6-38041 Hudson is arguably their most accurate as well as highly detailed hudson.

 

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RickO posted:
c.sam posted:

Am sure this has been asked earlier, but is the new legacy Hudson using the K-Line tooling or something new please?

K LINES Hudson is a J1e.

These Hudsons are J3a's. The ones with class lights use Lionel 6-28072 tooling.

Those without class lights use Lionels 6- 38041 tooling. 

These models are basically the same aside from the class lights.

Having said that.  Yes there are some small errors( headlight type for one) but,Lionels 6-38041 Hudson is arguably their most accurate as well as highly detailed hudson.

 

Lionel J3a with a correct headlight thanks to Precision Scale. It will be interesting see if Lionel got it right this time but I wouldn't count on it.

Pete

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Definitely not the K-Line J1e casting. J3a's have a different profile than  J1e's. They also appear chunkier. J3a's are a totally different boiler casting. 

 

Dave told me it was old tooling, so I'm guessing it's the tooling from the early 2000's J3 with added detail.

Just for mention, 28072 & 38041 share the exact same boiler casting sans some coloring and of course, cab numbers. Differences between to two complete locomotives are all the mentioned differences , time and time again...,it’s easy to make 28072 into a fine model...here’s 28072 complete, next to a 38041 boiler casting...every cast in detail same as.............PatA26B8355-B9A0-49EF-A597-38FFCA1E1DBA

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harmonyards posted:

Just for mention, 28072 & 38041 share the exact same boiler casting sans some coloring and of course, cab numbers. Differences between to two complete locomotives are all the mentioned differences , time and time again...,it’s easy to make 28072 into a fine model...here’s 28072 complete, next to a 38041 boiler casting...every cast in detail same as.............PatA26B8355-B9A0-49EF-A597-38FFCA1E1DBA

Ah, the anniversary set. I do remember RickO and or Norton giving me a lengthy explanation about the differences between these two and other such Hudson's on one of the many Hudson topics. It always seems that the 28072 is out on the bay, and the 38041 comes up every now and again.

superwarp1 posted:

Dave told me it was old tooling, so I'm guessing it's the tooling from the early 2000's J3 with added detail.

I'm guessing its the same tooling with the exact same level of detailing, right down to the incorrect headlight Pete mentioned.

......and if there's any of that bright silver left from recent legacy steamers. It'll have that on the smokebox too.

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Saw The video of the new Hudson YEP SILVER SMOKE BOX! How disappointing. I live 20 minutes out of Schenectady NY specifically asked the ALCO Museum! NYC USED BLACK GRAPHITE Why Lionel insist on these fantasy colors for NYC is pathetic!  Sorry

I can't tell if it's the lighting on Steve's layout or not, but the smoke box looks dark gray to me.

Certainly not the bright almost-white silver that was on the H10 Consolidations. The sounds are pretty much as I predicted. Good, but no real surprises either.

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Yeah I hope so but even still the black grafite that was actually used is a very flat non reflective very dark gray to the point it looked black. This is how it was explained to me. This is the way NYC ordered from ALCO. I want to ask around I am sure someone in Schenectady has a sample of the stuff. 

Yeah, it is a little too shiny. It should be a little lighter than the drive rods I would think since those a darkered and the color chart from the drawing they are very close. A little off, but I can live with it. Someone commented on the video about something else being off as they said when they switched to the bigger tenders that changed, superheaters.

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649B43F0-0F6E-4BF4-BB7B-EDDF92272F68Well Very disappointing for me! Not a new casting!! class light holes filled ONLY!! 

here is a comparison. Oh the second to last photo has the K Line Hudson all black. 

So they got the NYC graphite coating CORRECT on the mohawk!!! The Erie Pacific is correct graphite color. WHY CANT THE GET THIS HUDSON RIGHT??????? It’s not rocket science LIONEL!!  I don’t why these were even accepted by Mr Muffins trains. They should have all been returned to Lionel! obviously they got the order WRONG. I am sure Mr Muffins ordered the correct “DARK” grafite like the Mohawk!! as stated on the description.  This silver not even an attempt at graphite!

How absolutely disappointing. 

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Norm Charbonneau posted:

Parting line across the top of the smokebox forward of the stack is not too cool. Suppose it could be smoothed down if one was to repaint the smokebox.

Good catch Norm! I thought Lionel learned their lesson from the H10 .

No parting lines on any of my  "Reagan era" Legacy stuff, or TMCC stuff for that matter......I'm finding TMCC locos more desirable  these days due to the build quality.

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Is that a flaw in the top right of the smokebox front?  It almost looks like they filled in where the class lights mount on the 28072 tooling intsead of using the 38041 tooling that lacks the class lights.

I think Mr. Muffins custom run is the only one without class lights, so I suppose its "possible" they casted all the boilers and then made the correction for the Muffin order.

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