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trnluvr posted:

Glad to hear you got it working. I've never seen an engine that had a separate hole for the stack smoke before and have always added the fluid in the stack. Could you post a pic of this?

Doug

The recent J3a has 2 separate smoke units in the locomotive.  Whistle steam is filled under the dome. The dome has 2 rare earth magnets to hold in place. It is a nice system.

Page 8 in manual.

https://www.lionelsupport.com/...1450250LegacyJ3A.pdf

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wmcwood posted:
trnluvr posted:

Glad to hear you got it working. I've never seen an engine that had a separate hole for the stack smoke before and have always added the fluid in the stack. Could you post a pic of this?

Doug

The recent J3a has 2 separate smoke units in the locomotive.  Whistle steam is filled under the dome. The dome has 2 rare earth magnets to hold in place. It is a nice system.

Page 8 in manual.

https://www.lionelsupport.com/...1450250LegacyJ3A.pdf

I understand that about the 2 smoke units. The way I read his post he's saying there's a separate hole for filling the main smoke unit.

Doug

JB, my apologies; I thought you were putting smoke fluid into the stack; before my 5452 arrived, I downloaded its owner's manual from the Lionel website - Lionel Legacy Hudson J3A.pdf -

Lionel
Legacy J3A
Steam Locomotive
Owner’s Manual

In there it states on page 8: Loading smoke fluid into the smoke stack will provide
smoke fluid for the stack smoke effect. Loading smoke fluid
into the hole underneath the dome on the boiler
will provide smoke fluid for the whistle steam effect.

Didn't mean to depress you; I got into the hobby in 2014 (inspired by the Polar Express movie).  Studied this forum first and knew that some locomotives might have to be sent back to Lionel for repair.  Since then I have purchased 16 Legacy locomotives and have sent 5 back to Lionel for repair out of the box - 4 due to my starving or overfeeding the smoke units.  All were fixed by Lionel in N.C. and returned within 5 business days of their arriving at Lionel; all were fixed and returned in pristine condition - glad Lionel has a support facility; Happy Camper!

Rickm46 I am happy you have had great success with Lionel support. I had problems with this locomotive and 2 weeks of calling and emails with no response from Lionel i gave up and returned it. Can’t understand why, but this is the way it was. Would have loved if they responded in some way. I don’t know about anyone else but i could not register it for warranty on the website because the custom run has a custom product number not recognized by them. 

SLQ, Found a few years ago that I could not register new locomotives on Lionel's website; Lionel support informed me that to return a locomotive for warranty repair to just include the sales receipt along with the RA letter and RA number on the shipping box.  My last engine returned to them in 2019 was an E6 with a short in a truck; due to the Mogul returns, it took them 10 business days to return it; it was fixed and has been running ever since.

Good to know but i could not get any response much less an RA number. Now i regret my lack of patience. Steve Offered to swap it with the one he shot in his video. At the time i was quite depressed and fed up with it and returned it. Maybe my Italian got the better of me LOL.  Once i reorganize some finances I can look for another. 

SLQ32 posted:

Good to know but i could not get any response much less an RA number. Now i regret my lack of patience. Steve Offered to swap it with the one he shot in his video. At the time i was quite depressed and fed up with it and returned it. Maybe my Italian got the better of me LOL.  Once i reorganize some finances I can look for another. 

It used to be that an RA # was just an email and 24hrs or (usually)less away. ( M. R. we miss you)

The general concensus seems to be, Lionel is back to the "old" way doing warranty claims by phone.

I've either waited 30+ minutes with no answer or gotten a message saying they left early, try again the following day. No luck either way.

Not all O guage modellers are retirees that can sit on hold for hours.

Having said that.  The loco in Steves video seemed to have the same shudder yours did anyway, so your probably better off.

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Thanks guys.  I thought the hole hidden under the dome was for both smoke units, not just the whistle smoke unit.  RickM, thanks for pointing out what was in the owners manual.  I read it incorrectly (several times).  I dread sending the engines back and forth, my other Legacy Hudson seem to be on the frequent traveller program.

I love the engine.  It's awesome!!!

Again thanks for the help.

John

It is always a good idea to read the manual a few times to familiarize yourself with what you are working with. After having some downtime myself I actually forgot some of the basics of my Legacy Remote(and felt like a complete idiot having to get the manual out again). It doesn't hurt that's for sure. I think when I get to having a big layout I will have to keep a short information guide handy about my remote as well as an engine list.

Also, about different colored smoke, it is probably the concentration of it. I know some time last year there was a discussion about black smoke as in a manufacturer producing some, but that is not very likely. I think I made the comment on there, "Black smoke is waste" quoting signage from one of the N&W engines. But hey, who knows what'll come out in the future.

Regarding reading the manual....  "I read it incorrectly (several times)."

I agree 100%, read the manuals (correctly), that's why they are provided.

Dave, I agree, it was likely the concentration that made it look different.  It was definitely NOT a different color black to white.  It looked different and that was kind of cool to me.

Engine is great, I am very happy with it!!!

John

" I know some time last year there was a discussion about black smoke as in a manufacturer producing some"

The only thing that will make black smoke is small particulates in the smoke, as is seen in the products of combustion.  They may be realistic but will destroy your heart and lungs so that ain't happening .  There's a reason that wood burning and coal burning shorten folks' lifespan.

Landsteiner posted:

" I know some time last year there was a discussion about black smoke as in a manufacturer producing some"

The only thing that will make black smoke is small particulates in the smoke, as is seen in the products of combustion.  They may be realistic but will destroy your heart and lungs so that ain't happening .  There's a reason that wood burning and coal burning shorten folks' lifespan.

I agree, it ain't happening. I don't remember who was it that had said that there was no easy way to create black smoke short of as you stated above, but I also believe that it may have been said about it dirtying up everything this killing the smoke unit and the operator in the process. Some like smoke, some don't. Regardless of that, we should be happy that there is the option at all, which I'd say we pretty much all are.

Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:
Landsteiner posted:

" I know some time last year there was a discussion about black smoke as in a manufacturer producing some"

The only thing that will make black smoke is small particulates in the smoke, as is seen in the products of combustion.  They may be realistic but will destroy your heart and lungs so that ain't happening .  There's a reason that wood burning and coal burning shorten folks' lifespan.

I agree, it ain't happening. I don't remember who was it that had said that there was no easy way to create black smoke short of as you stated above, but I also believe that it may have been said about it dirtying up everything this killing the smoke unit and the operator in the process. Some like smoke, some don't. Regardless of that, we should be happy that there is the option at all, which I'd say we pretty much all are.

Not only that but, lets remember that what everyone is calling "smoke" coming out of your model trains, is NOT actually "smoke", but oil vapor. Thus, it is always white, and will always be white.

Hot Water posted:
Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:
Landsteiner posted:

" I know some time last year there was a discussion about black smoke as in a manufacturer producing some"

The only thing that will make black smoke is small particulates in the smoke, as is seen in the products of combustion.  They may be realistic but will destroy your heart and lungs so that ain't happening .  There's a reason that wood burning and coal burning shorten folks' lifespan.

I agree, it ain't happening. I don't remember who was it that had said that there was no easy way to create black smoke short of as you stated above, but I also believe that it may have been said about it dirtying up everything this killing the smoke unit and the operator in the process. Some like smoke, some don't. Regardless of that, we should be happy that there is the option at all, which I'd say we pretty much all are.

Not only that but, lets remember that what everyone is calling "smoke" coming out of your model trains, is NOT actually "smoke", but oil vapor. Thus, it is always white, and will always be white.

I think you said that on the black smoke post last year, and I think I liked your reply then.

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I have the 5405 and the 5410 from the 1939 Pacemaker set and I didn’t notice and hiccups right away but I do plan to have a 2 hr break in period then will add the grease as Alex suggests. 

I am going to check my 6005 Niagara s was which I had to send back to Lionel for a minor repair. When I get to the NJ Hi-Railers I will check my new Visionline Challenger to ensure they don’t have similar issues.

Great thread folks. Very informative and educational.

Thanks Alex for the heads up.

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