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Gentlemen....

 

I just received an online newsletter from MTH with announcement of their first formerly-SHS release:  the ore car.  So the wheels are turning over there at MTH.  The thing that really caught my eye is that there are many paint schemes being offered for this car and all of them appear very realistic and plausible.  No Zombie cars (yay!), no Coca Cola cars (yay!, again) and so forth.  If I remember correctly, there were about nine paint schemes and every paint scheme looked very realistic.

 

Knowing very well that Lionel/AF is fully capable of producing high quality realistic models, I am bewildered by the latest AF catalog in which only fantasy cars are offered separately.  Not one single realistic AF freight car is offered for separate purchase.  A couple of realistic AF cars are in the catalog, but you have to buy an entire set to get them.  Makes no sense (to me).

 

All of this seems crazy.  MTH, at this time, offers only realistic paint schemes.  AF, at this time, offers only fantasy paint schemes.  Is there a logical reason for this?  What am I missing?  If fantasy sells well, why is MTH missing the boat?  If folks prefer realistic, why is AF missing the boat?  Where is the boat going?

 

"S"incerely......Ed Loizeaux

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Originally Posted by Ed Loizeaux:

Gentlemen....

 

 

All of this seems crazy.  MTH, at this time, offers only realistic paint schemes.  AF, at this time, offers only fantasy paint schemes.  Is there a logical reason for this?  What am I missing?  If fantasy sells well, why is MTH missing the boat?  If folks prefer realistic, why is AF missing the boat?  Where is the boat going?

 

"S"incerely......Ed Loizeaux

Give MTH time, Ed.  MTH does plenty of fantasy stuff in O and HO.

 

Rusty

Ed

I can't say I was thrilled with the overall choice in rolling stock in the 2013 catalog myself. (But was happy with the new scale desiels)  I have several of the cylindrical hoppers on order but took a pass on most of the fantasy schemes and Gilbert branded rolling stock.

I would have to say though, if Lionel didn't think it would sell, they problably would not make it.  I am for anything that increases their sales in S, it can only help to grow their expansion and dedicated resources in our part if the hobby.  

I think we have seen the writing on the wall for the future with AF and I think more scale items (locos and rolling stock and please some structures) will appear while fantisey paint schemes will continue to apper on the warmed over Gilbert based cars that have been around sence the late 40s and 50s. 

Just my uneducated opinion.

Ben

Ben....

 

I would be very happy if both AF and MTH offered a mix of both fantasy and realistic paint schemes on their freight cars.  At least with some realistic schemes there would be a reason to buy a Lionel product.  Obviously, fantasy is not my thing.  Nor is it something most serious model railroaders are interested in.

 

The new cylindrical hoppers are beautifully molded, but lack an authentic paint scheme.  Even the gorgeous Canadian paint schemes are not authentic for this car.  They belong on a car with an one additional unloading bottom hatch, different ends and other differences.  So we have an exquisite car, beautifully molded, with wonderful detail, and which is painted in a variety of non-authentic paint schemes.   This is the part that I find most confusing. 

 

Wouldn't it be better for both AF and MTH to have a mix of both realistic and fantasy paint schemes? Everyone would then be happy (or happier).  But to have only one or only the other makes no sense (to me, at least).  Obviously, I am missing some key concept here.  Is there some logical reason why this is happening?

 

Since you mentioned the SD70, I agree it is a beautiful model.  Like the cylindrical hoppers, I am looking forward to running two of them on my layout.  However, the NYC version comes only with AF wheels.  Scale wheels have been promised, but my inquiry to Lionel (two days ago) resulted in a response that was rather strange.  They still, to this day, do not know if the wheels will be replaceable or if it will be necessary to replace the entire truck assembly.  Price is not known.  Product number is not known.  Availability date is not known.  So I will soon have in my hands a loco with inoperable wheels for a scale layout and without any definitive means, at this time, for obtaining scale wheels or (possibly) a total truck replacement.  But my wallet is $400 flatter. 

 

Lest you think I am just a whining scale rivet counter, let me add that I am VERY impressed with the quality of the newer Lionel/AF molded parts.  The Y-3 articulated, the SD-70 and the cylindrical hoppers are all going to run on my layout.  Every one of them -- one way or another.  Wheels can be changed (machined) even if AF does not offer scale wheels (as with the Y-3).  SD-70 wheels are still up in the air, but my buddy with a lathe can deal with that.  And the cylindrical hoppers are an unknown at this point, but are probably convertible to scale if you have a machine shop. 

 

The part that escapes me is that the serious cost is in the body tooling which is wonderful.  The minor expenses are the paint job and the wheels which are trivial compared to the main body tooling.  Yet the minor expenses, which can open an entirely new market area, are avoided like the plague. 

 

"S"haking my head, but still glad to have what is being offered even if it seems weird to me.

 

Cheers.......Ed L.

Ed,

 

The only thing I can think of is Lionel is riding the NS Heritage wave before it poops out, as apparently the UP Heritage wave has.  Outside of two additonal numbers for the N&W and ATSF Y3's there was no "typical" paint scheme offered for any of the SD's and GE's in the current catalog.

 

I'm afraid we're going to have to wait for the next Flyer catalog to see how serious the "scale" approach is.  If Lionel backs off on the scale wheels for the diesels, maybe Northwest Short Line could be convinced to make replacement wheels.

 

Rusty

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