MTH Railking Imperial USRA 0-6-0 switchers

RARITAN RIVER x2 roadnumbers

Walter

Walt....will do.

Thanks,

beth

I believe we just got OK from MTH on raritan river and either CV or rutland on this run and the other on next run...  So far, we are selling more rutland items than CV, but LMK preference ASAP, before I lock things down with MTH.   Personally  Im thinking rutland because we already have the CV RS-11 coming, and the Rutland RS-1's are still a way off.  OTOH, the CV with the slope tender is very accurate....the rutland square tender is not as accurate...and IDK how bent out of shape that gets ppl.   Please LMK

thx

beth

I’m in for a CV!
Thanks!

Beth,

I will purchase a Rutland version.

Just curious - do you know if this engine will be made in S. Korea or China?

I just consulted a Rutland Railroad website. Rutland operated 0-6-0 switchers #100 to #107. Pictures show Rutland 0-6-0 steam switchers #106 and #107 have piston valves like the MTH Railking Imperial model. Rutland 0-6-0 #100 is pictured with slide valves that look different than the MTH model. So, if MTH and PDT make a Rutland model, road numbers #106 and #107 would be closer to prototypical. Both these engines had white trim on the edges of the running boards. I will check for additional photos and let you know what I find for the other road numbers.

The MTH engine appears to be a USRA 0-6-0 switcher.

MELGAR

Super excited to see more Rutland and CV! Thank you for offering these!

Personally, I’d go for the CV in 2 road numbers over the Rutland because it’s more prototypical. Also the CV sloped tender is different. The MTH premier USRA  0-6-0 tooling Lionel now owns with the more accurate tender (not the last one Lionel offered) would be a better fit for Rutland IMO. I’d prefer a Lionel Rutland 0-6-0 with swinging bell and the accurate tender, even knowing it’ll cost more. Just my 2 cents!

Rutland 0-6-0 #107 actually came to the Rutland pretty late in life. Around 1946. It was originally owned by the Clarendon & Pittsford. They dieselized way before the Rutland.

@EricTrainMan posted:

Super excited to see more Rutland and CV! Thank you for offering these!

Personally, I’d go for the CV in 2 road numbers over the Rutland because it’s more prototypical. Also the CV sloped tender is different. The MTH premier USRA  0-6-0 tooling Lionel now owns with the more accurate tender (not the last one Lionel offered) would be a better fit for Rutland IMO. I’d prefer a Lionel Rutland 0-6-0 with swinging bell and the accurate tender, even knowing it’ll cost more. Just my 2 cents!

I would rather have the MTH Railking version. I don't need the swinging bell or the tether issues with the Lionel model and the square tender is close enough for me to Rutland #106 and #107. I also think it's less likely that Lionel would be willing to make a special run of Rutland or CV.

MELGAR

@Dave_C posted:

Rutland 0-6-0 #107 actually came to the Rutland pretty late in life. Around 1946. It was originally owned by the Clarendon & Pittsford. They dieselized way before the Rutland.

Rutland #106 was built in 1914 and scrapped in 1953. It was running on the Rutland by 1939.  #107 was built in 1924, purchased by the Rutland in 1946, and scrapped in 1953.

MELGAR

@EricTrainMan posted:

Personally, I’d go for the CV in 2 road numbers over the Rutland because it’s more prototypical.

Interesting that you think the CV is prototypical. 

In the prototype CV photo above, it has tall rounded domes, slide valves on the cylinders and the main rod connects to the center driver.  There is no eccentric, since the engine has slide valves.  The USRA 0-6-0 has flat-top domes, piston valves on the cylinders, and the main rod (and eccentric) are on the rear drivers.

@Bob posted:

Interesting that you think the CV is prototypical. 

In the prototype CV photo above, it has tall rounded domes, slide valves on the cylinders and the main rod connects to the center driver.  There is no eccentric, since the engine has slide valves.  The USRA 0-6-0 has flat-top domes, piston valves on the cylinders, and the main rod (and eccentric) are on the rear drivers.

Well I said more prototypical, obviously not entirely. I should say it’s as close existing tooling allows in O scale. As close as we can get.

No answer yet on "Are these scale?"

1. Thanks for those who acknowledge that "prototypical" means not too far off, considering that these are not brass models for $2000+ each.     I realize that some ppl are super into all the details. These are just nice models for those (like me) who are happy with "not too far off.   Look at  all the stuff out there that is way off from prototypical.   Believe me, its a lot of work just to get these items close to prototypical.

2.  Im no expert on Steam.  I know the basics, but I dont steam engines that well.   Ive been told by MTH that this is a Railking Scale model, and it looks like it to me.  It's certainly not way undersize or way oversize. 

thx

beth

@CAPPilot posted:

No answer yet on "Are these scale?"

However the description says "Near Scale Sizing"

@MELGAR posted:

I also think it's less likely that Lionel would be willing to make a special run of Rutland or CV.

MELGAR

Lionel will make a special run for whoever is willing to pay for it.  If Beth wants a Lionel special run Rutland or a Lionel special run CV, boom, it's done as long as she's willing to pay for it.

Stu

@CAPPilot posted:

No answer yet on "Are these scale?"

These are scale size, but they are not fully scale-detailed (still good engines). MTH's scale-detailed USRA 0-6-0s are part of the Premier line.

MTH gives the dimensions of their Railking Imperial 0-6-0 steamer (sloped and square tenders) as:

Overall length (engine/tender) = 17-1/2 inches = 70 feet full scale (USRA = 65 feet 3 inches with square tender)

Overall width = 2-7/8 inches = 11 feet - 6 inches full scale (USRA = 10 feet)

Overall height = 3-1/2 inches = 14 feet full scale (USRA = 14 feet)

I scaled the USRA overall length from an HO scale drawing in Model Railroader Cyclopedia - Steam Engines by Linn Westcott - Kalmbach Publishing Company - 1960.

The overall length of the MTH engine and tender is larger than the USRA length because of the oversize O gauge couplers and because the spacing between the model's engine and tender (drawbar length) is greater than scale so that the model can operate on O-31 curves. The model's width is greater than scale and the model's height is exactly equal to scale.

The general features of the model compare closely to the published drawing of the USRA locomotive.

I've been waiting for MTH to offer a small steam engine model and will definitely buy a Rutland version.

MELGAR

Thx for all the info...

beth

@NOT LionelLLC posted:

Lionel will make a special run for whoever is willing to pay for it.  If Beth wants a Lionel special run Rutland or a Lionel special run CV, boom, it's done as long as she's willing to pay for it.

Stu

To do a special run of the MTH railking scale 0-6-0's  roughly would cost me 10K.   Lionel, more like 25K.

I'll let the larger companies do the Lionel special runs....

Raritan River with square tender has piqued my interest!

I like the rutland.  I wonder if anyone will do Baldwin 26?? Now that's a cool paint scheme on an 0-6-0!

@Brian DeFazio posted:

I wonder if anyone will do Baldwin 26?? Now that's a cool paint scheme on an 0-6-0!

Yes it will be done.  I don't want to hijack Beth's thread, so I'll make that announcement in my own thread.

Stu

@NOT LionelLLC posted:

Yes it will be done.  I don't want to hijack Beth's thread, so I'll make that announcement in my own thread.

Stu

You'll have my order for that!

@H1000 posted:

However the description says "Near Scale Sizing"

Thank you.  My interest is will it be noticably smaller than my AtlasO USRA 0-6-0 when side-by-side.  Sounds like they will be close enough.

The Atlas looks great but not a great runner.

Will it be offered in 2 rail?

You're not the only one asking...but MTH has never offered the Railking Scale engines in 2 rail.    And they havent made any 2 rail engines in about 3 years now.   Im talking with them about making some 2 rail engines in the future... we'll see how it goes.

The way MTH did Proto 3/2 steam the first time was a boondoggle.  There were two different SKU numbers having flanges designed for EITHER 2-rail or 3-rail with no easy way to convert between.  They needed to retool for a split chassis with a removable "bottom plate."  Then the owner could easily install scale or hi-rail wheelsets, and the loco would be truly convertible.

Some recent Lionels are made this way, and MTH knows how to build locos with replaceable wheelsets -- all of their HO locomotives had this feature from the beginning.  If you can convince them to make this tooling change in their O gauge product line, it will make a lot of people happy down the road.  My $.02.

Thanks for the info....

beth

The MTH model is not close enough to the former US ARMY Raritan River locomotives for me, in particular it does not have the air compressor in front of the smoke box.

I hope these locomotives do well.

Against my self-imposed moratorium on buying new motive power, I ordered one of the Raritan River locos from Beth.  Not sure how many she needs to sell in order to get them made.

Hey @Beth Marshall-The Public Delivery Track, D&M had an 0-6-0 switcher that's currently at the Henry ford museum awaiting restoration.. would look pretty good as a o-scale model...

http://www.rrpicturearchives.n...ture.aspx?id=3604001