MTH Z-4000 & Lionel Legacy control system

Marc

 

Yes you can. Just follow the instructions. If you have DCS just remember to connect the legacy system to the TIU.

 

Doug

 

Hello Doug,

 

 

At this time I have only one Z-4000 and one Legacy Control System, if I have to buy a TIU it’s not a problem but just can you confirm that with only one TIU it’s perfect ?

 

I have MTH and Lionel engines.

 

Sorry if my English is not perfect.

 

Marc.

Hi Marc,

The #990 Legacy control system will control only Lionel engines in command.

 

Connect the base wire to the black output terminal on the Z-4000 or connect it to an outside rail of the track.

 

Power the Legacy base on first, then the Z-4000 and set the voltage to 17-18 volts. 

 

Now the Legacy remote will operate the Lionel TMCC\Legacy engines.

 

You can operate both the MTH and Lionel TMCC/Legacy engines in conventional mode

( no remote or base powered on), transformer handle control).

Marc, Yes you can the key issue with Lionel electronics is keeping voltage at 18VAC.  No higher.  MTH can work up near 24VAC, and you can get about 22VAC out of your Z-4000.

 

Lionel Design Limit on Legacy and TMCC electronic recommend no higher than 18VAC.  G

Marc

Moonman wrote:

 

Salut Marc,

Le système de commande 990 Legacy # va contrôler seulement les moteurs Lionel en commande. Connectez le fil de base à la borne de sortie noir sur le Z-4000 ou le connecter à un rail extérieur de la piste. Alimenter la base de Legacy premier, puis le Z-4000 et régler la tension de 17-18 volts. Maintenant, l'héritage télécommande fait fonctionner le moteur Legacy Lionel TMCC \. 

Vous pouvez utiliser à la fois le MTH et Lionel TMCC / hérités moteurs en mode conventionnel

(Pas de télécommande ou de la base sous tension), transformateur de contrôle de la poignée).

 

GGG Wrote:

 

Marc, Oui vous pouvez la question clé avec Lionel électronique maintient tension 18VAC. Pas de plus. MTH peut travailler jusqu'à près de 24 V ca, et vous pouvez obtenir environ 22VAC de votre Z-4000. 

Lionel Conception Limite Legacy et TMCC électronique recommandent pas plus élevé que 18VAC. G

 

Marc

Si vous souhaitez exécuter vos moteurs de MTH en mode de commande. Vous aurez besoin d'acheter un système DCS MTH. Puis avec Legacy conected à la DCS vous pouvez utiliser la télécommande à la fois useing DCS.

Doug

Many thanks, but now I have :

 

1 MTH Z-4000

1 Z-4000 Remote

1 DCS Remote Control

1 TIU

1 Lionel Legacy Control System

1 TMCC Track Power Controller

1 connector cable ???

 

And.....I don't know how to connect all...

but now I have :

 

1 MTH Z-4000

1 Z-4000 Remote

1 DCS Remote Control

1 TIU

1 Lionel Legacy Control System

1 TMCC Track Power Controller

1 connector cable ???

 

And.....I don't know how to connect all...

How to connect everything that you listed and a whole lot more is all in the “The DCS O Gauge Companion 2nd Edition", available for purchase from many fine OGR advertisers and forum sponsors, or as an eBook or a printed book at MTH's web store!

warok,

    The very 1st thing you need to do is invest in Barry's DCS O Gauge Companion book, it explains everything in detail, if you are a visual type learner the OGR Video Guide to DCS is also available, a great visual learning guide for the beginner, Rich Melvin does a great visual instructional job on how to set up the DCS/Legacy, especially good for the beginner.  The book and the video eliminate a lot of hands on learning/frustration, with great education, at your finger tips.  I highly recommend the purchase of both.

PCRR/Dave

Want  to try it?   

 DCS command

 Power supply is the Z-4000 which goes to the tiu Fixed 1 input.(2 wires from one handle) Fixed 1 out put goes to the track. Red is always center rail... That's it for DCS command for a small loop or test track.

 

For legacy command... Plug the base in and run a wire from the "U" connection on the base to an outside rail.   (the track power is already there via the Z-4000 and tiu.

 

For DCS add the engine to the remote under menu/system/engine set up/ add engine/ add  mth engine.... The engine should add and then  hit start up.(number 3 on the dcs remote)  good luck.

Gregg,

 

Now that you've done the easy stuff, you need to explain how to use his "Z4000 Remote".

 

 I don't have a Z-4000 remote else I would.    Why don't you instead of flogging your book. 

Gregg,

 

That's too much for a post. The section in the book covers it in several pages of detail. Z4K Tracks is a sub-section all by itself.

Hi all,

 

It’s ok, I have the DCS O Gauge Companion 2^nd Edition.

 

After one night, 10 coffee and some cookies :

 

MTH Z-4000 with TIU and DCS Remote Control : perfect.

Lionel Legacy control System : perfect but need an update.

Test : engines with PS1/2/3 : run perfect.

Lionel engines TMCC : perfect but no horn and no bell

Warok,

 

Congratulations and thanks for purchasing The DCS O Gauge Companion!

Lionel engines TMCC : perfect but no horn and no bell

How are you attempting to operate the horn/bell and what happens when you do so?

 

Also, do the TMCC engines make engine sounds?

Hi warok,

That's great! All working in 1 session is sheer determination!

 

I assume that you are using a step-down transformer to provide 110-120v AC for the train equipment.

 

Legacy update 1.54 specifically addresses issues related to the 50hz frequency.(we have 60hz here)

 

That may resolve the horn/bell issue.

 

Is the legacy base track wire connected to the TIU out Black(neutral/common)

 

Also, try running the Lionel TMCC engines with the Legacy system remote. You may have to manually configure those for Cab1 mode in the Legacy remote. (see Legacy Manual)

I agree with Moonman. everything set up in one day with only minor issues. That's great work.  I wonder how many here can say that.  

Thanks to all but...,

 

I have a problem with my Lionel Legacy Control System :

 

Marc,

 

I apologize for the inconvenience. All Legacy systems with the 1.0 version software need to come to our North Carolina facility for an upgrade before being able to download the subsequent upgrades from Lionel.com. If you can provide me with your address and phone number, I can get a return authorization set up for you to send the system to us for the upgrade.

 

 

Thank you,

 

 

 

Meghan

Lead Customer Service Representative

6000 Victory Lane| Concord, NC 28027

1-800-4LIONEL (o) | LionelSupport.com (web)

well,

That stinks that it's a 1.0. The good news is that they will update everything, and check the charging circuit. It's worth the time and shipping. Send a note requesting v1.54 software as you have 50hz electric and to check the charging circuit.

 

Now you have time to learn the DCS system.

 

 

incredibly easy. All you do is take the transmitter with phone jack and plug it into the back of the sea 4000. Put batteries in the remote that goes in your hand. And you're operating the train exactly as you would if you were staying the exactly at the transformer. The Z 4000 remote is merely an extension of the transformer. I wish they would make more of them. But they're trying to sell command control. The reason I'm not interested in getting command control. Even though command control is better. Is because with his c4000 remote you can run any engine in any area by any manufacturer and it works. And you're not stuck to your Transformer. You are free to walk around your layout with your trains.need to. My layout fills up the basement
       

John,

incredibly easy. All you do is take the transmitter with phone jack and plug it into the back of the sea 4000. Put batteries in the remote that goes in your hand. And you're operating the train exactly as you would if you were staying the exactly at the transformer. The Z 4000 remote is merely an extension of the transformer. I wish they would make more of them. But they're trying to sell command control. The reason I'm not interested in getting command control. Even though command control is better. Is because with his c4000 remote you can run any engine in any area by any manufacturer and it works. And you're not stuck to your Transformer. You are free to walk around your layout with your trains.need to. My layout fills up the basement

You're way off-base.

 

He wants to use it with DCS, not conventionally.

 

Since he has The DCS O Gauge Companion 2nd Edition, he's now all set up.  

Barry's book has saved me more times than I can count on two hands.  I am a firm believer that anyone seriously desiring DCS should not hesitate to get this easy to read and understand book, too!

 

not paid by Barry...George

 

Hello all,

 

Some news :

 

My Lionel Legacy Control returned to me from Lionel with software 1.6

 

My DCS Remote Control after update 4.3 : game over, LCD display not working, I can make an update but nothing…

 

My new DCS Remote control (I have buy another one) : update 4.3 : perfect.

After testing with PS1, PS2, PS3 and TMCC engines :

 

PS1, PS2, PS3, with DCS Remote control : perfect.

 

TMCC with Legacy : so stupid !!!

 

For exemple :

 

The engine on the track

Lionel Legacy Control System : ON

Z-4000 : 18V

 

Engine : runs alone, I can’t control it.

Slide the engine’s program/run switch to program : the engine moves forward alone….

Change the engine ID : impossible.

Reset the engine : impossible.

 

And after I can’t use the engine with only my Z-4000, because my engine does not work anymore.

 

I can use it with the Legacy Control System but ….run…run…run… but I’m happy, I can use the horn and bell !!!!

 

It’s not with one Lionel engine but with all my Lionel engines.

So are you just using Legacy with Z-4000 and none of your TMCC engines are working?  Is the Legacy base output connected to the outside rail?  IS the power cord plugged into a grounded outlet?  G

 

 

Hello,

 

Today I received the TIU/TMCC-Legacy 6’ connector Cable 50-1032.

You can see on my plan with the legacy base my engine does not work and with my DCS Remote Control my engine works but moves forward and slows down I don’t know why.

Aftert testing several system :

 

Only Z-4000 with one TMCC engine : perfect

 

Z-4000 + DCS Remote Control + Trainmaster base + TIU with one TMCC engine : strat up / shut down / AUX1 / AUX2 / Bell / Horn perfect but my engine moves forward and slows down.

 

Z-4000 + Lionel Legacy + TIU with one TMCC engine : start up ok / shut down no / AUX1 ok / AUX2 ok / Bell ok / Horn ok, my engine moves forward and slows down and shut down only with the Z-4000 not with the Legacy base.

 

MTH PS1 / PS2 / PS3 engines : perfect no problem.

Bring up the TMCC engine and then select the soft-key SPD speed steps (s-3)  Select 128 and see if that helps. Other than that you seem to be in good shape.

Warok:

I saw in the picture you supplied the train brake slide was pushed down towards (+) a bit. Try moving it all the way up into the (-) position and see what happens with the TMCC locos.

Joe

Use the bottom configuration with the Legacy base. The DB9 jack is behind the rubber cover. Fire up the legacy system and do what Joe says, move the brake slider to full minus on the Legacy remote.(Good catch, Joe)

 

All devices need to be powered on, except the legacy remote, if you will run all from the DCS remote.