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My O-gauge White Pass collection (Shovelnose 3d prints now for sale).

Tom MTom MOGR Forum Member

I had the opportunity to work closely with The White Pass and Yukon Route railroad for 5 summers. I became friends with many  Conductors Brakemen and Engineers. I used the railroad to facilitate hikes to Laughton Glacier and the Chilkoot trail ending at Bennett, B.C..
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I fell in love with this railroad and found myself disappointed with available O-gauge White Pass offerings. Over the past few years it seems that Lionel and MTH have given more attention to the WPYR and I am loving it. my first purchase was the MTH 30-73378 silver White Pass tank car. I also purchased the lionel 6-31793 White Pass & Yukon Freight 3-pack and then by pure accident stumbled onto a K Line White Pass 40' container.


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I later acquired the Lionel 6-26422 White Pass & Yukon Ice Breaker Tunnel Car

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My next purchase was the New Jersey Transit 4302 GP-40 from the 6-30185 NJ TRANSIT Ready-To-Run Limited Edition Maintenance-of-Way Set. I picked that engine because i was able to find it for a hundred bucks at my local train shop. A nice cheap engine to use.

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I have no experience modeling or painting at all so this next part was a big step for me. I decided to turn this GP-40 into a replica of a White Pass DL535E. I saw someone do it in HO and figured it would work for me.

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Here is the primer coat

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and my yellow coat

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This is as far as I have gotten with my set. I am currently attempting to tape off the engine in preparation for a few coats of green paint. I'm just using Krylon spray paint. I ordered and recieved O-scale white pass dl535e decals from Ozark Miniatures in order to finish the project. I am really freaked out about doing the taping on the hood so that the design looks right. Especially with the headlights on the GP-40. Any ideas?
After I finish this, my plan is to custom decal a caboose with the Thunderbird on the sides. But Ozark says they are currently out of stock, but are working on making some more.


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MTH anounced in their 2014 volume 2 catalog that they will be releasing a 30-79445 White Pass Heavy Duty Snow Plow in September 2014 and I already have one preordered.

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I know That the White Pass is narrow gauge but I love the look and feel of these o-gauge White Pass rolling stock options and I hope to see more in the future. Now I just need to work on a model of the Red Onion Saloon.

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LW Lee WillisOGR Forum Member
Originally Posted by Tom M:

I am really freaked out about doing the taping on the hood so that the design looks right. Especially with the headlights on the GP-40. Any ideas? 

 

Three:

First, get some 1/4 inch painters tape: I use the green type but the blue works well, too.  the thinner tape is easier to work into exactly where you want to put it than broader tape.  Use it to mark the line you want to mask, use a plastic tip (I use the top of a Bic pen) to press the edge tight.  Then come back with broader tape to cover the whole loco, just making sure that tape overlaps this slightly.  

 

Second, after you spray the next coat (of a different color) remove the masking before the tape starts to dry.  If you wait until it dries the tape can pull paint along the edge away - at least that has been my experience.  Now, you have to be careful, and think, removing the masked from a still-wet loco, both in what you touch and how, and it how you pull off the tape so a piece does inadvertently touch anything, and to be sure you take breaks to inspect and clean your fingers if you have paint on them (you will) before touching the loco or holding it again in unpainted places so you can pull the tape away from painted areas, but . . . 

 

Third, if you have or can buy a couple of cheap loco shells, you might practice on them.  

 

I discuss my masking and painting of Warbonnet - about the most difficult paint scheme I know to home-brew, here:

https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/t...57#30713143880655557

TexSpecialTexSpecialOGR Forum Member

Nice collection Tom, brings back memories for sure.  I lived in Juneau and I would take my two boys to Skagway and hike either the Chilkoot Trail or the White Pass tracks.  This is before they started running trains from Skagway to Lake Bennett, I'd say the early 1970's.  We used to camp by the tracks and crawl over the high trestles.  That's when I was a bit younger of course.  My boys and I hiked the Chilkoot Trail 4 times.

 

The history of the White Pass RR and that of the Chilkoot Trail make for some interesting reading.  Many books are available on the subjects.

 

All my photo's of these trek's are not digitized or I would post them.  I will try to scan some to post.

 

Steve, Lady and Tex

 

 

A AMCDaveOGR Forum Member

White Pass is 3 foot gauge correct??? Maybe the reason not a lot of standard gauge models made. I'd like a WP Alco in On30 myself.

Nice to see someone else repainting locos. Follow lee's advice....pretty much the same as I do but I use Tamiya 1/4" tape for the separation line and low tack wide masking for cover.  Burnish the tape with your nail.  I use my digital calipers to make line guides to keep things lined up. 

Good luck!

 

I used Tamiya tape and my calipers to lay out this paint scheme....

 

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T trestrainfanOGR Forum Member

Hopefully this isn't a topic hijack.

 

For Lee or Dave, or anyone else, after you have primed the shell and are ready to paint the primary colors, how do you tend to decide to:

 

1) tape off areas for painting separate colors directly on the primer coat, or

 

2)spray one color, then tape and spray the second color which on part of the shell, goes on top of the first color?

 

For example on the other thread Lee linked to on his Santa Fe locomotive, it looks like Lee used both methods. It looks like the cab (to be painted red) was masked off when the silver was painted, but on the tender, everything was painted silver, and then the red paint on the bottom section was painted  on top of the silver paint.

 

Dave, on the CSX engine above, for the grey, blue, and yellow colors, in what order did you mask and paint?

 

With no practical experience, I'm think taping off lines looks like a real pain to do, so choosing a paint sequence that reduces the amount of taping might be beneficial, or do you want to minimize the layers of paint where colors are painted over other colors?

 

 

Tom MTom MOGR Forum Member

I think the main worry here is the fine details. Too many coats can serve to muddy things up, or so I hear. The Krylon paints I use are paint plus primer so they tend to coat really well. I think the best way to handle it is from light colors to dark colors to get the paint right with the fewest number of coats.

Tom MTom MOGR Forum Member

I have thought about doing a rotary, and I will. But one of the coolest aspects of White Pass rotary #1 is that it was modified to all metal. And those MTH rotaries are wood sided. I know my gp-40 isn't prototypical. But I want to do a really sweet model of rotary #1. I'm friends with the former rotary fleet pilot and I would love to show it to him one day. Heck maybe I'll make two and give him one.

 

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SL Silver LakeOGR Forum Member
Two places you can see "real" ex WP&W equiptment in daily operation in the lower 48 is in Tennessee at the theme park Dollywood are two operational restored steamers and in the far eastern San Diego Califoria desert in Plaster City is the US Gypsum operation that runs the last ordered but never delivered to White Pass diesels. US Gypsum may be the last non tourist narrow gauge in the states.
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Originally Posted by Tom M:

I think the main worry here is the fine details. Too many coats can serve to muddy things up, or so I hear. The Krylon paints I use are paint plus primer so they tend to coat really well. I think the best way to handle it is from light colors to dark colors to get the paint right with the fewest number of coats.

Tom, in your original post, it looks like to me that you are sitting in cab# 73 of the White Pass & Yukon' Mikado Type" steam engine (oil tender of course).

 

Two days ago I just took delivery of the LGB/Aster (brass) White Pass & Yukon, Cab#73 in G scale.  It's a beauty with full sound and smoke.  My photography skills aren't the greatest and I think there is a post on this forum on taking and posting pictures so I should give it a try.

 

 

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Tom MTom MOGR Forum Member

Yes sir, I have spent a lot of time in skagway and have had the pleasure of seeing #73 steam past my house a few times a week. Plus, everyone knows everyone and I think most people in Skagway have their photo hanging somewhere on #73 or #69. I used to go climb on the boiler of derelict #195 and wave at trains as they headed up the pass.

TexSpecialTexSpecialOGR Forum Member
Originally Posted by Tom M:

Yes sir, I have spent a lot of time in skagway and have had the pleasure of seeing #73 steam past my house a few times a week. Plus, everyone knows everyone and I think most people in Skagway have their photo hanging somewhere on #73 or #69. I used to go climb on the boiler of derelict #195 and wave at trains as they headed up the pass.

 

Don't forget the grave of the infamous "Soapy Smith" and the Red Onion Saloon. 

 

Steve, Lady and Tex

Tom MTom MOGR Forum Member

Thanks for letting me know. Those blue and white colors were only used for a little while by White Pass. And I can't bring myself to shell out 70-90 dollars for it. Seems a little high. The original and current colors are green and yellow and all of their current cabooses are straight red.

 

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Tom, here are some photo's, circa early 1980's, I took of Skagway and White Pass RR equipment.  The B&W photo's I bought in the Skagway museum.  Back then there was a "bunk house" you could stay for $5 a night.  Usually someone had a guitar or harmonica and everyone joined in singing old railroad songs.

 

Steve, Lady and Tex

 

 

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K kj356OGR Forum Member SUPPORTING MEMBER

Looking forward to seeing your final version of the engine when done good work so far.

 

I have always wondered why Bachmann has done WP&YR in HO and G but never there very popular ON30 scale???

 

They have done nearly every other road ever produced in ON30 but never anything in WP&YR

You would think that the sets would sell well to all the tourists on the cruise ships when they come to town. The ON30 train sets are a perfect match for the Dept 56 and Lemax buildings that many people collect of which I would think many would visit Skagway on a cruise???

 

The Bachmann ON30 line produces many of the cars equipment that the WP uses.

Sure would be nice  to get some of the shovel nose diesels, the rotary plow etc.

http://shop.bachmanntrains.com...=index&cPath=487

 

 

CDS did a lot of the decals in dry transfer for WP, S scale fits the ON30 cars best.

 

 

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Tom MTom MOGR Forum Member

More than 400,000 tourists ride the White Pass every summer. You would think that someone would want to take advantage of the notoriety of the busiest tourist railroad in the U.S. I have found some passenger cars I think I could modify to work for my collection. 

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As far as my gp-40 goes I was having such a hard time trying to get the front end design perfect that I have just decided to free hand my taping job and hope for the best. 

I saw this White Pass bunk car in G gauge and thought it looked cool.

 

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So yesterday I purchased a Lionel Canadian Pacific bunk car off of ebay.

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I'm trying to decide if I want to paint it blue to match my tunnel car, brown to match the passenger cars, or keep it red and just remove the decals.

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Tom MTom MOGR Forum Member
Originally Posted by TexSpecial:

Tom, here are some photo's, circa early 1980's, I took of Skagway and White Pass RR equipment.  The B&W photo's I bought in the Skagway museum.  Back then there was a "bunk house" you could stay for $5 a night.  Usually someone had a guitar or harmonica and everyone joined in singing old railroad songs.

 

Steve, Lady and Tex

Thank you for the photos Steve. I always enjoy seeing cool White Pass and Skagway pics. 

A friend of mine snapped this pic as we finally came into view of Lake Bennett after hiking the Chilkoot Trail.

 

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Man I was happy to see that lake. 1 mile away a hot lunch was waiting at the old Bennett depot, and after a few hours rest our train departed back to skagway.

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Tom MTom MOGR Forum Member

Finally finished taping the engine and got up the courage to paint it. There are a few rough edges and a couple areas on the yellow in need of touch up, but I'm really excited about how it turned out.

 

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I could never get the front hood design to be exact so I just freestyled it. I think it turned out pretty good.

 

 

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It's a little off, but I think I can make some slight adjustments when I do the pinstriping.

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John23John23OGR Forum Member
Originally Posted by Tom M:

I have thought about doing a rotary, and I will. But one of the coolest aspects of White Pass rotary #1 is that it was modified to all metal. And those MTH rotaries are wood sided. I know my gp-40 isn't prototypical. But I want to do a really sweet model of rotary #1. I'm friends with the former rotary fleet pilot and I would love to show it to him one day. Heck maybe I'll make two and give him one.

 

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You could cover the sides of the MTH plow with sheet styrene to simulate metal.  That's a neat paint scheme.  Don't forget the tender!

Tom MTom MOGR Forum Member

First things first. My best friend, who lives in Juneau, mailed a birthday present to my son for his birthday. He now has his own White Pass train too.

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He loves his new train and even got a White Pass engineer's hat to go with it.

 

I have been pretty busy for the past few weeks so I haven't had any time to work on my engine, but I finally did a little work on it today.

 

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This was my first time ever using dry transfers and I was pretty nervous, but I think it looks pretty good from a distance...

Up close is a different story. I got carried away with the burnishing tool and it accidentally slipped under the transfer paper and scuffed the transfer.

 

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The bottom of the last s in pass is messed up. Does anyone have any ideas on how to repair it? I am excited to finish this engine and take the whole set for a few spins around my track.

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A AMCDaveOGR Forum Member
Originally Posted by Tom M:
 

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The bottom of the last s in pass is messed up. Does anyone have any ideas on how to repair it? I am excited to finish this engine and take the whole set for a few spins around my track.

Fix it???  A few options.....

Use another set to replace the damaged 'S'.  Use some clear tape, apply iy over the bad S, burnish it and pull it off....should remove the letter.  Cut a S from new sheet and apply.

Or use a Sharpie black marker and touch it up!!!

 

Hint for dry transfers. A alternate method of appling them is to apply the dry transfer to clear decal paper and then apply them to the model like a regular decal. I know this voids one of the reasons to use dry transfers.....decal halo.....but when you have a place that is hard to apply a dry transfer or an area with lots of detail to cover it is a good option.

Tom MTom MOGR Forum Member

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I was able to take my white pass set around a loop a few times today.

 

 

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I still have to work on the bunk car and the caboose but they will be sporting the White Pass name soon enough. Also today I got a Lionel ore car in the mail. One more item to work on. I think I'm going to have a total of four ore cars for right now. After I finish the cars I have I will start to think about passenger cars.

 

 

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I just realized that MTH's tank car lettering is wrong. I wonder if there was an alternate used that I don't know about, or if it's just wrong.

 

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The h should be the tallest letter. Not even with the rest of the tall letters. The engine and the ore car have the correct lettering.

It looks like the new MTH White Pass Snow Plow has the same lettering as the tank car.

 

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All Lionel lettering is correct on their White Pass cars. Ozark Miniatures decals are correct as well.

 

 

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Tom MTom MOGR Forum Member

 

 

I applied the pinstriping to my white pass gp-40 today.

 

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I still have to do a little touch up here and there. My last big project on this engine is the number boards. I am thinking about painting the boards black and then applying a dry transfer over that. I wonder if I could use a sharpie maybe?

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Just finished painting my caboose. I was thinking about applying some dull coat on top of this. This is an Aristo Craft caboose with a coat of Krylon Banner Red gloss paint. The white pass decal is from Ozark Miniatures and the Thunderbird decal is from http://www.doityourselflettering.com I plan on adding some number decals and a lighted drumhead, but this looks good for now.

 

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Tom MTom MOGR Forum Member
Originally Posted by Tom M:

I saw this White Pass bunk car in G gauge and thought it looked cool.

 

r1838

 

So yesterday I purchased a Lionel Canadian Pacific bunk car off of ebay.

$[KGrHqIOKocFDwTEgTEBBRCoVEP+g!~~60_57

 

I'm trying to decide if I want to paint it blue to match my tunnel car, brown to match the passenger cars, or keep it red and just remove the decals.

All taped up.

 

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Not finished yet, but this will do for now. I still want to put some dry transfers on it, paint an orange stripe at the top of the car and paint the ladders black.

 

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Tom MTom MOGR Forum Member

"Unless you've got power!" -Whitey, Back to the Future Part II

 

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Here's a close up of an often overlooked part of my White Pass collection.

 

IMG_20140819_165032_205I Don't know if I want to leave the flat car as Lionel or turn it into a White Pass flat car. I love this container, a great shot of the sawtooth mountains that stand high above the White Pass canyon. 

 

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Alan RogersAlan RogersOGR Forum Member
Originally Posted by Tom M:

I had some alone time yesterday and decided to set up a carpet layout in my sons room.

 

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I stopped by my local train shoppe and picked up a 1:43 Peterbuilt tractor and trailer. Now let's see what fun I can have with this one.

 

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 "There's a right way, a wrong way, and a Skagway"

 

 

I always say that there's mortal sin, venial sin and Wiscon-sin......

Tom MTom MOGR Forum Member

I'm taking a break from customizing for a little bit. But I'm very happy with what I've accomplished this year. I started out with an MTH White Pass Tank car and now I have 10 pieces of White Pass rolling stock and a tractor trailer to ride on my flat car. I'm just waiting on my MTH heavy duty snow plow now.

 

 

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Tom MTom MOGR Forum Member

I went to the Wasatch Rails train show in Salt Lake today. There was a lot of neat stuff to check out. I even met some guys from the Utah Train Collectors Association, a local 3-rail group, and I may join them.

I picked up this stock car for $13, not bad. I am thinking of leaving it as D&RGW. During WWII a lot of D&RGW narrow gauge equipment was shipped north to be used on the White Pass railroad to facilitate the building of the Alaska Highway.

 

 

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Hey,  Tom

 

How bout, asking your friend, if he sees the Superliners every now and then

 

WOuld really like to see a long video, of 1 of them in action.  The gentlemen with that

disease, Asp*** and the video, is on the forum I have it copied, but would really

like to view 1 in action,   yes I do like your yellow and green, as it is very remote

and that is why I like the Blue and yellow, Alaska RR  as it also is remote,and the O trains are quite elusive.  thanks

John23John23OGR Forum Member
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I finished the paint job on my white pass tractor trailer.

 

Here is what it started out as.

 

 

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And here it is now.

 

 

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I need to have some door decals specially made for it. I'll probably have doityourselflettering.com make them for me.

 

Here is my inspiration.

 

 

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Who made that tractor/trailer, and is it 1:50 or 1:43?

John23John23OGR Forum Member
Originally Posted by Tom M:
Not quite finished, but here is another White Pass caboose. I found this MTH Premiere Conrail caboose at my LHS for $20. One corner of the roof was broken and then repaired. I'm pretty happy with the results. Next will be the rotary caboose. I need to practice with 3d rendering first.
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That caboose turned out great!

Tom MTom MOGR Forum Member
Who made that tractor/trailer, and is it 1:50 or 1:43?


John, the tractor trailer is a New Ray 1:43 1949 Peterbuilt.
The nice thing is that the trailer comes undecorated and the truck comes apart easily with a screw driver and a hobby knife. (I cut the chrome parts off from the inside for painting and then superglued them on after I was done).  The only problem I have with them is that the trailer sits pretty high off the wheels and truck. I cut it down so it would look better.

1:43 is pretty big for o scale I know. But the trailer is the same size as a k-line shipping container I have and I think it looks pretty good on a flat bed.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Die-Ca...&hash=item4878cfdbe1
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Tom MTom MOGR Forum Member
Well, Paramedic School is finally over and now I might have some time to play. The only problem is that all my trains are in Utah and I'm now living in Juneau, AK. I spent the summer watching White Pass diesel and Steam trains going past my house every day in Skagway. Juneau doesn't seem to have many model railroaders but I do work with someone who is into O Gauge. I won't have my trains till at least January, but I plan to start acquiring rolling stock to customize when I get my supplies moved up to Juneau.
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Here is the original prototype.

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Not a perfect copy, but surprisingly close for my use.

I'm wondering what other minor modifications I could make. I'm thinking of putting in cab figures. I thought about putting in rope to the bell and whistle, but I don't know how I would do that.

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Terry Danks,

It must have been awesome to see the White Pass operating freight all the way to "The Pale Pony" as some locals jokingly call Whitehorse. There is a need for freight operations today, but the golf course company that owns White Pass isn't interested. It would've been neat to see the bridge at Carcross operating and see the S.S. Tutshi in all her glory.

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Yes, the White Pass has steam passenger service 3 times a week from the beginning of June to the end of August. If you go on a cruise to Skagway make sure your ship comes in  to port Monday, Thursday, or Friday. And make sure they stay in Port all day. Some ships are trying to cut Skagway to half a day.

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I finished the relettering and put some clear semi-gloss coat over the top of it.

Lesson learned: black sharpie (which I used for touch up around the lettering) may run when hit with a top coat. The black sharpie ran down over the lettering and I was devastated. My wife suggested using a gold sharpie to fix it. And guess what? It worked! I'm happy to have my lettering back and not have to start all over again.

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And here is its new boiler plate.

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So, my next project is to make a GE Shovelnose diesel.

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My plan is to 3d print the shell...

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And place it onto this postwar alco diesel frame.

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The 3d model will be longer than the frame. I don't know whether to lengthen the frame or shorten the body. It is going to be more toy like than actual scale. Does anyone have any suggestions or advice? I've thought about scrapping the postwar idea and going with a more modern diesel. Theses diesels have 3 axle trucks while the postwar frame has 2 axle trucks.

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I ordered my 3D print of the GE Shovelnose. It should arrive in about 2 weeks. It is being made on a SLS printer, which I had never heard of before. Google it if you want to know more. It's pretty cool technology.

Anyway, I'm excited to get my hands on it. A little sanding and a little paint and I'm in business.

I'm headed up to Skagway for the fourth of July and I would love to take it with me to show friends at White Pass. Let's hope I can find some time to work on it.

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falconservice posted:

Find an Lionel 1970's or 1980's era production U36C that has a damaged shell and use the motors and frames from that after removing the handrails.

Andrew

Oh man. I wish I would have known about that engine before now. I guess I could change out the chassis. Or maybe I could just switch out the trucks...

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aterry11 posted:

Mr. TomM/   any contact info on your 3d printer I'm wondering if they could do this dome in plastic as I cant find any scale dome assemblies anywhere

I am having my loco shell printed by shapeways.com

The loco design was by a guy I met on a shape ways board. 

I am doing a caboose in 3D. You would have to find someone to 3D model it for you. I could take a look at it but realize that I'm a beginner.

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Here is my 3D printed shell. The plow was broken in shipping as well as other minor breaks in post production.

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Shapeways has agreed to reprint a improved version of this model with parts beefed up so they are less prone to breaking.IMG_20160626_232912241

I tried to repair the plow but it definitely needs to be reinforced or it will break again.

I'm expecting the new and improved model sometime next month. I'll post when it comes in.

 

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Strength is an issue with 3D printed plastic. A friend of mine works for our local Vo-Tech school and had the engineering class make us each an O gauge fire tower "look-out building". We used Lionel No.395 Floodlight  towers for the tower portion and will be adding a red beacon to the point of the roofs.Fire Tower The problem seems to be the individual plastic droplets remain individual and don't mold themselves together very well. Maybe someone will come up with a hardener chemical in a spray can that can be applied to help strengthen the plastic and hold the droplets together better.

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Since you went through all the trouble in obtaining that GE shell, it's only fitting you have the right or close to the right trucks. Since noting is really out on the O gauge market that's spot on, I recommend Weaver or MTH ALCo Trimount trucks. You should find them on ps1 and weaver diesels. they will have a can motor so in the future you could add railsounds and TMCC with your loco. In fact get one of those MTH railking "ALCO C628" that are out there. The body is wrong and many are slow sellers. You might even find them in PS2 or Ps3. I hope this helps

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It took a little modification of the trucks and the body but here is the reprinted Shovelnose shell on the alco frame with the u36c 3 axle trucks. This has a fresh coat of primer on it and next I'll do a little sanding to smooth out the top and then it's off to the paint shop.

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I'll also have to paint the truck side frames as well.

Next I need to make a fuel tank and some air tanks to put in-between the trucks. My local library does free 3d printing. I think this may be my chance to try it out.

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Tom, I've been enjoying watching your project(s) progress. I think it's great. Is it trouble? Is it work and effort? Well, probably yes, but this is your favorite railroad, so getting a product you want in the end, I'm sure makes it all worthwhile.

For me being an 027 guy, I like making things smaller. (In case you haven't noticed, the current trend in new products seems to be going in the other direction!)

So..... I've chopped down Lionel RS-3 and U-36 shells to fit on to a K-Line MP-15 chassis. It makes the engines look more at home with my smaller traditionally and 027 sized trains. I have a Geep shell waiting for the same process. To me, I'm an impressionist painter when it comes to trains. I'm not at all trying to make an accurate model... I'm making a representation or impression of the real thing. And I have fun doing that too!

There's no way the train manufacturers and importers can please everyone today... boy that's an understatement! Especially considering how diverse this hobby market has become. You could grumble and complain writing to the train companies, and then wait for years to see your suggestion come to light. Or sometimes you have to be willing to do it yourself.

How big is the overall market for the White Pass Railroad? I don't know. Probably not that big. But on your layout Tom, White Pass appears to be a big market! I applaud you for your creativity and willingness to alter products to get the trains to the road names you want to run.

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brianel_k-lineguy posted:

How big is the overall market for the White Pass Railroad? I don't know. Probably not that big. But on your layout Tom, White Pass appears to be a big market! I applaud you for your creativity and willingness to alter products to get the trains to the road names you want to run.

Thanks for the feedback! 

The White Pass Railroad carried around 500,000 people last year. The thing about it is that the vast majority of those passengers aren't rail fans or modeler's. They are just tourists looking for a unique and highly recommend tour, and that's what they provide. Several members of the forum have ridden the railroad but when it boils down to it, the White Pass and Yukon Route is a small railroad in the middle of nowhere and it's expensive to get there. You add in the fact that it's narrow gauge and that pretty much keeps it off main stream modeler's radar. 

My problem is that I love O-Gauge and the White Pass. So I feel like I'm probably destined to have to model this railroad in this gauge largely myself, and that's okay. My goal though is to turn a few heads while I'm at it.daily affirmations

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I went up to Carcross from Skagway via bus and took the train back a couple of years ago.  I took over 500 photos and it was one of the best train rides I have taken.  https://clarityphotos.smugmug....on-Railway/i-BBhNhj5 The Canadian Toy Train Association  is producing a White Pass 36 foot reefer. http://www.canadiantoytrains.org/  .  They may have some left.  I ordered a couple last week.  For mail considerations do not use Forever stamps (I got two orders back from the USPS).  It took 3 tries to get the order mailed up to Canada if you decide to order one.

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Mikado19 posted:

Hi Tom, 

Is the GE Shovel Nose loco available on Shapeways? Did you draw the 3D model? Please let me know I am very interested but cannot find it there. 

Thank you, 

Mike Anderson

 

Mike,

The shovelnose is not available on the shapeways site. If you would like to print a shell let me know and we can work something out.

Tom.

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winrose46 posted:

I went up to Carcross from Skagway via bus and took the train back a couple of years ago.  I took over 500 photos and it was one of the best train rides I have taken.  https://clarityphotos.smugmug....on-Railway/i-BBhNhj5 The Canadian Toy Train Association  is producing a White Pass 36 foot reefer. http://www.canadiantoytrains.org/  .  They may have some left.  I ordered a couple last week.  For mail considerations do not use Forever stamps (I got two orders back from the USPS).  It took 3 tries to get the order mailed up to Canada if you decide to order one.

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Tom M posted:

Just waiting on some special made vinyl White Pass decals from doityourselflettering.com

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Tom,  did you use one of their fonts or did you supply them one?  I’m looking for the font that BNSF uses on their not repainted but patched engines.  I looked through the fonts available but couldn’t find any that matched.  There were a few that were close.

 

Larry

 

 

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PSAP2010 posted:
Tom M posted:

Just waiting on some special made vinyl White Pass decals from doityourselflettering.com

Tom,  did you use one of their fonts or did you supply them one?  I’m looking for the font that BNSF uses on their not repainted but patched engines.  I looked through the fonts available but couldn’t find any that matched.  There were a few that were close.

 

Larry

 

 

I used one of their available fonts. They have quite a few, and I found something I liked.

If you have something in a different font you can save it as a photo and send it to them 

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Could you start out with one of the MTH RK rotary plows?  I have one of the first D&RG rotaries they made.  Started adding a cupola because I wanted to turn it into an ARR rotary.  Had just started the project, using an Atlas extended vision caboose cupola, when a MTH Premier ARR Rotary hit ebay for a nice price.  You would have a frame with rotating blades you could fashion your own body if modifying the wood sheethed body wouldn't fit your needs.

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Hancock52 posted:

Very nice print indeed. The process seems to have come on since I had any O scale shells done, which is now 3 or 4 years ago. Is it reasonably sturdy or will you have to handle it like glass? 😁

I use a company called shapeways. I had them print these engine shells 5 years ago.20190429_233711

They are very strong, given adequate width of walls. These engines have been through alot and have held up very well.

The company uses a nylon powder, added layer upon layer, in a heated environment, and uses lasers to heat up the powder to its melting point. Because of this it requires no bracing. Very easy to model in.

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coach joe posted:

Tom the caboose looks very god.  It's hard to believe it's been 5 years since you started on the diesels.

I know. And the dummy unit isn't even close to done yet. Hopefully i will have the discretionary funds in the next year or two to get that done. It still needs 200-300 dollars worth of parts to get it where I want. It still needs a frame, wheel sets, and a sound system.

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p51 posted:

I assume you're going to eventually model the large diesels they have on the way?

I'm worried how the line will do this season due to certainly decreased ridership from the cruise ships coming into Skagway...

Don't know if you heard but Carnival Cruise purchased the White Pass almost 2 years, so assuming they stay in business everything should be good. Carnival Corp. Invests In Alaska With White Pass & Yukon Rail Buy

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@oscar golf posted:

GE 107 and one other just went by the house at the stern of a barge load of scrap iron.  Hopefully, they're not  destined to be scrap too.

Good news! They’re headed for the Durango & Silverton in Colorado.

 

Tom, I’m in Juneau and I’d love to check out your shovelnoses...I have permission from the wife to start collecting some O gauge stuff and those look like a really nice setup! A friend/next door neighbor has a 3D printer and he’s always looking for stuff/excuses to print.

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Starting in the 1960s the White Pass railroad started shipping led and zinc concentrates out of the Yukon by way of Skagway. This was achieved using a fleet of trucks and an intermodal yard in Whitehorse known as Utah Yard. This was all made possible with the use of specially designed ore containers, that could move the concentrate to an ore loading facillity in Skagway. Today these containers are known as Anvil Ore Containers after the Anvil Mine they were used for in Faro, Yukon Territory, Canada. They have been produced by LGB but never made in O-scale that I'm aware of. This prohect has been in the back of my brain for a long time. Finally starting to take shape.

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@Virginian65 posted:

Nice caboose, Tom, and I see you've done a custom build-on for a better-looking cupola. Also, nice add with railings, grab-ons, etc. Where did you find WP&Y decals?

The decal line is called CDS lettering. I obtained them from ozarkminiatures.com

Nothing is listed on there right now. However you might be able to email them and see what they have.

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Tom, I love your W.P.&Y. collection. The CTTA has produced some nice cars and you seem to have them all.  The Weaver TOFCs are so nice and the trailer decoration on that one is fantastic.

Good luck at the board meeting.  I don't think manifest destiny will work so the real estate will probably cost you big time.

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Great job on your WP progress. The CTTA is always considering new custom run items. Is there a White Pass freight car O gauge that anyone would interested in seeing done?? Perhaps post some ideas here and forward to the CTTA?? They might do it ?

Silver or black single dome tank car, different reefer or box car design, hoppers or ?? Would like to do that engine some day.

www.canadiantoytrains.org

https://www.canadiantoytrains.org/canada-club-cars/

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This is a piece of rolling stock I decorated for a railroad that never was. The Chilkoot Railroad and Transport Company was founded in 1897 to service miners headed into the Yukon Territory, bound for the Klondike gold rush. Not a single rail was known to have been laid. They ended up making a fortune operating an aerial tram over the summit of the trail before being bought out by the White Pass and Yukon Route and shut down. But what if they laid a couple of rails and brought in an office from the lower 48?

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*The above photos are owned by The National Park Service, and are therefore considered part of the public domain. Furthermore they were taken in 1898 and any copyright the original author had, is now considered null and void.*

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Nice work Tom.  I like the woodside gondola, or is a flat with sideboards?  The ore car looks good,.  What brand is it?  I had Three K-Line NYC ore cars I had gotten for $5 each.  Lowered them by replacing the K-Line trucks with Weaver plastic trucks I had, removed the NYC herald, renumbered two, now all I need is to make some K.C.C. decals so I can pull them with the Collector's club Kennecott Copper MP15.

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@coach joe posted:

Nice work Tom.  I like the woodside gondola, or is a flat with sideboards?  The ore car looks good,.  What brand is it?  I had Three K-Line NYC ore cars I had gotten for $5 each.  Lowered them by replacing the K-Line trucks with Weaver plastic trucks I had, removed the NYC herald, renumbered two, now all I need is to make some K.C.C. decals so I can pull them with the Collector's club Kennecott Copper MP15.

The box called it a woodside gondola. MTH. The ore car is Lionel.

I used to be a contractor at the Kennecott copper mine in Salt Lake City. I have the Kennecott K-line work caboose with spotlight. I'd love to add a few more to the roster including a Kennecott engine.

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That's an impressive roster Tom.  I see some commercially available rolling stock mixed in with your home grown.  What percentage of the consist is your handiwork and how much is commercially available.

Those KCC MP15s used to be plentiful on eBay.  Haven't looked in a while so I don't know current availability.

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This is everything I have that is commercially available.20210823_161757

I have some duplicates that I run or have altered slightly(i.e. car numbers).

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There is another flatcar with trailer from weaver that I do not have. And Lionel has made an engine and caboose. Although those are in the very shortly used  "bankruptcy" paint scheme.



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@coach joe posted:

Tom, did you weather those two tank cars or was the color saturation of the decals not heavy enough to give you bright white decals?

I weathered them. My dry transfer stock dried up and the company I get them from won't answer the phone. These are printed White on clear vinyl decals. The weathering makes the edge of the vinyl nearly invisible.

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