Skip to main content

To the best of my knowledge, there were four wrecks involving the N&W J Class locomotives. These include:
 
604 derailed pulling the Powhatan Arrow at Powhatan, WV in 1946

604_06121946

 

607 also derailed pulling the Powhatan Arrow at Franklin Furnace, Ohio in 1948

607_1948

 

611 derailed pulling the Pocahontas at Tug River near Cedar, WV in 1956

611_1956

 

613 Rear-ended a timed freight near Bristol, VA in 1957 

613_1957

 

I have seen and read the accident reports for the 604 and 611. Given that there are numerous photos of the 604 and 607 in the 1950's, they were obviously rebuilt. The only thing I have found regarding the 607 and 613 are these single photographs. Does anyone have links to the 607 & 613 accident reports?

 

It has been thoroughly discussed that the condition of the 611 following being rebuilt after the 1956 accident was a factor considered when the 611 was saved. Is it safe to assume that the 613 was scrapped following it's 1957 accident?

 

Were there any other wrecks of these locomotives that I'm not aware of? For a class of 14 locomotives, having more than 25% of them wrecked during their career is most unfortunate.

Attachments

Images (4)
  • 613_1957
  • 604_06121946
  • 607_1948
  • 611_1956
Last edited by Gilly@N&W
Original Post

Replies sorted oldest to newest

Originally Posted by BessemerSam:

Isn't the reason 611 was preserved was because it was in that wreck?

There were several reasons, and I believe that was one of them. It's storage position in the deadline was another. 

 

The cast frames must have been incredibly strong, especially for the 613 survive.

 

Last edited by Gilly@N&W
Originally Posted by Gilly@N&W:
To the best of my knowledge, there were four wrecks involving the N&W J Class locomotives. These include:
 
604 derailed pulling the Powhatan Arrow at Powhatan, WV in 1946

604_06121946

 

607 also derailed pulling the Powhatan Arrow at Franklin Furnace, Ohio in 1948

607_1948

 

611 derailed pulling the Pocahontas at Tug River near Cedar, WV in 1956

611_1956

 

613 Rear-ended a timed freight near Bristol, VA in 1957 

613_1957

 

I have seen and read the accident reports for the 604 and 611. Given that there are numerous photos of the 604 and 607 in the 1950's, they were obviously rebuilt. The only thing I have found regarding the 607 and 613 are these single photographs. Does anyone have links to the 607 & 613 accident reports?

 

It has been thoroughly discussed that the condition of the 611 following being rebuilt after the 1956 accident was a factor considered when the 611 was saved. Is it safe to assume that the 613 was scrapped following it's 1957 accident?

 

Were there any other wrecks of these locomotives that I'm not aware of? For a class of 14 locomotives, having more than 25% of them wrecked during their career is most unfortunate.

Interesting that the 613 numeral in the photo is not the painted number on the locomotive but a handwritten "613", probably on the negative. My guess is that the number on the engine didn't photograph well in the artificial light so the number was added for the historical record.

Last edited by Nick Chillianis

A lot of locomotives on a lot of railroads have been wrecked and repaired.  That was one of the jobs given to the large backshops, which were filled with the proper equipment and the skilled employees to do this work.  In most cases, nobody seeing or running the repaired locomotive would know.  



In the diesel era, EMD repaired a small number of wrecked engines, and Alco also did a smaller number.  That was the owning railroad's decision, based on a number of factors, but they could have made their own repairs if they had desired to do so.  In the steam era, there was no such option, and many steam engines were repaired and returned to service after serious wrecks.

Last edited by Number 90
Originally Posted by SteamBoy:

But the best thing about steam engines if it breaks down ( ik a bit off topic ) it rolls for a while.

For a Diesel, not so much. 

Really??  Ever seen photos of a steam locomotive with a broken main rod, or side rod?

 

With a diesel electric locomotive, it could have a catastrophic engine (prime mover) failure, and the unit will still roll right along.

Maybe I should've cleared this up better sorry

 

What I really meant was if the steam locomotive had something wrong inside but was not the boiler. The driver could stick the engine into neutral, power off, and do his best to keep it moving before something else bad happened. 

 

But if the Diesel stalls, then a steam engine like the 844 can help its 100+ car train slowly but easily. 

Originally Posted by SteamBoy:

Maybe I should've cleared this up better sorry

 

What I really meant was if the steam locomotive had something wrong inside but was not the boiler. The driver

 

The "driver"?????  Please, you must be new at this. He/she would be the Engineer. The term "Driver" on steam locomotives, is generally used throughout Europe.

 

could stick the engine into neutral, power off, and do his best to keep it moving before something else bad happened. 

 

Nope.  Shouldn't do that either, as without lubrication carried by the steam flow to the valves/cylinders, both would subsequently be damaged. Also, the running gear on steam locomotives do not like to be in "neutral" while moving.

 

But if the Diesel stalls, then a steam engine like the 844 can help its 100+ car train slowly but easily. 

 

That was only one unit that had a grounded traction motor, on that freight train. Also, with 844 pushing on the rear, we got the train speed back up to about 20MPH.

 

Add Reply

Post

OGR Publishing, Inc., 1310 Eastside Centre Ct, Suite 6, Mountain Home, AR 72653
800-980-OGRR (6477)
www.ogaugerr.com

×
×
×
×
Link copied to your clipboard.
×
×