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I am looking for a small N&W loco, not the Class A or the J or the streamlined K4.  Wikipedia shows that N&W had hundreds of the smaller locos in their inventory, Consolidations,10 Wheelers, etc.                                                                                                                      Has Lionel ever produced these smaller engines and if so when? Thanks for your help.

 

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Perhaps the classic branch line N&W steam locomotive in the late steam era were the  M, M1, and M2 4-8-0 mastodons.  O Winston Link did a color photo study of the breed operating on the Abingdon, VA branch to Jefferson City NC.  Nicknamed the Virginia Creeper I assume for it's slow pace.  Today the branch's right of way is the core of the state's Virginia Creeper bike trail (I've ridden it many times).  One of the N&W 4-8-0 s (433) sits under a shelter at the trailhead in Abingdon.  A sister locomotive 475 powers steam trains on the Strasburg RR.  Sunset 3rd Rail recently imported brass 2 and 3 rail scale models of the M (info corrected  thanks Jim and HW) .

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If you want to learn about N&W motive power, there's only one place to go.  The Norfolk and Western Historical Society.  Here's a link to their online archive which includes thousands of photos, blueprints and corporate records: https://www.nwhs.org/archivesdb/.  Check out classes G-1 (2-8-0), M (4-8-0) and W\2 (2-8-0) which I think are closest to what you're looking for.  The N&W bought several 0-8-0's from C&O in the S-1 class which they later copied and refined as class S-1a.  That's about as close as either Lionel or MTH has ever come.  Some brass models of smaller power exist but they can be hard to find.

Becky

 

N&W also bought several 0-8-0s from C&O.  Lionel made 0-8-0s with TMCC in C&O livery back in the mid 2000s.  I have one and am considering changing to N&W livery.

I don't think any manufacturer has ever made the N&W 4-8-0 mastodon.  Might be nice project for 3rd Rail.   The Abingdon branch mastodons had spark arrestor stacks. Others such as the Stassburg 475 do not.

Hot Water posted:
Big Jim posted:

"Sunset 3rd Rail imported models of theM1 a few years back in 2 and 3 rail."

Actually it was a Class M. This is the big tender version.

You misquoted me. Pleas go back up and reread what I posted, i.e. the "N&W M class".  I did NOT state M1!

HW,
I didn't misquote you at all. You've been listening to too much Carly Simon. I actually quoted "KEYSTONED ED" and he has since corrected his error! Yet "TRUMPTRAIN" has made the same error! "It's LEMONADE"...read the sign!" 

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trumptrain posted:

N&W also bought several 0-8-0s from C&O.  Lionel made 0-8-0s with TMCC in C&O livery back in the mid 2000s.

Big Jim posted:

I think that Weaver made a 2-8-0 lettered for N&W. I haven't seen any for sale on the 'bay, but, I haven't been looking.

The Lionel 0-8-0 was a USRA version; not a S1a. It does have the headlight in the correct position but that is about all that is right. The tender isn't even close. I have all but begged Scott Mann to do a N&W S1a. There was one 2 rail version (forget the vendor name), but just too expensive to buy for a kit-bash.

Jim, Yes Weaver did do a N&W Class W2 2-8-0. I was very fortunate to buy one from here on the Forum. It was originally undecorated, was weathered and lettered for Lackawanna. My friend Walt repainted it (kept the undercarriage weathering) and lettered it for Cab #917. It runs very well, but the electronics are "dated". It has a TMCC SAW board.  FWIW, I have the Weaver 4-6-2 N&W as well. Same deal with the electronics. I'll plan to run both at the GBGH this weekend and will post some pictures.

I snagged the Weaver spreadsheets before their website shutdown. Here's the info on the N&W 2-8-0.

1810-S/L/LP 1810-S/L/SP/LPBALDWIN CONSOLIDATION / 2-8-0 DIECASTN&W / NORFOLK & WESTERN678, 690 675, 6982002 2006$495.00 $595.00 TMCCBODY/BLACK              SMOKE BOX/GRAPHITE          PRINT/WHITE

 

There is one Weaver 2-8-0 on eBay now, but it has the Belpaire firebox. There is a 3rd Rail Santa Fe that looks nice.

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Would love to see Scott Mann do and N&W S1a. I would definitely be in for one of these. Last steam locomotive built for an American RR. I'm sure there are a lot of guys who have A's, J's , K's and Y6's, but no S1 or S1a's. If you are a big N & W fan, this would be a must have. I have considered trying to kit bash one from and MTH or Lionel engine, but to make it accurate is a tall order.      JG

 

 

 

 

        

I sent Scot Mann an email last night asking if there where any M1's available, and if not, any plans to rerun the engine, so far no reply. I would be reluctant to try to re identify an engine. Also, I have a GGD and 7 Lionel engines all running via TMCC would a MTH run in that environment or would I have to wire up a TIU? Thanks for all the info, very informative so far.

dickkyle posted:

I sent Scot Mann an email last night asking if there where any M1's available, and if not, any plans to rerun the engine, so far no reply.

I believe Scott may still be in China, thus his replies to you may be at odd times. However, I can tell you that Scott RARELY does reruns of steam locomotive models. You may just have to resort to watching eBay for a 3-Rail model to popup. 

I would be reluctant to try to re identify an engine. Also, I have a GGD and 7 Lionel engines all running via TMCC would a MTH run in that environment or would I have to wire up a TIU? Thanks for all the info, very informative so far.

 

dickkyle posted:

I sent Scot Mann an email last night asking if there where any M1's available,

Pretty sure that those sold out in advance.  You see one now and again on eBay

and if not, any plans to rerun the engine, so far no reply.

Not often that he re-runs stuff, but given that it sold out, I'd think that there is some potential there unless the number produced was spot on to the market.

I have all of these but I didn't want to go into the train room to take new pictures:

I have one of the Weaver N&W Class W.

Yes, N&W had a Shay at one time. MTH even got the number right.
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Railking 0-6-0 is pretty good as well.

The Lionel 0-8-0 is a pretty good representation of a N&W S1
http://www.collector-modeltrai...tem/?my_item_id=2924

The 3rd Rail streamlined Class K

Scott Smith

 

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pennytrains posted:

And then I saw: Precision Scale model # 15876-1. N&W 0-8-0 Class S-1-a

pennytrains posted:

I'm trolling The Bay right now and I spotted a shiny Williams 2156 Pacific in N&W paint.

I just looked on eBay at the #15876-1 box. It's HO, whew! Price would have been great if it were O Scale. Yes, I know it's listed in the O Gauge section.

The Williams looks pretty nice. Probably  a good candidate for a command control upgrade. One very little problem, 2156 is a Y6a. 

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You have three options:

  • Conventional: It will run with the throttle on your transformer.
  • MTH 50-1033   DCS Remote Commander: Provided the locomotive has a FACTORY RESET (easy to do w/ a full DCS system). If it is new out-of-the-box, you're good to go. $60 list 
  • DCS: Yes you can pony-up for a full DCS system. You'll also want MTH 50-1032 cable $25 list. This connects the TIU to the TMCC Command Base.

 

The rule of thumb is; you can run TMCC w/ DCS, but you can't run DCS w/ TMCC.

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TM Terry posted:

I see they had some 0-8-0 steamers too.

A N&W expert would know if any of their 0-8-0's were USRA Yard Goats. Lionel made some great USRA Yard Goats scale and in Legacy. (I think mine is one of my favorite locos). If so, you could look into what is involved in changing the decals, or send it to a professional.

 

TM Terry, the N&W 0-8-0's were copies of several Chesapeake and Ohio C-16b that N&W received in 1950, and the C&O had a different design than the USRA. The Lionel model is fairly close but some modifications would be needed if one wanted it to be accurate. For N&W, they had the headlight centered on the smokebox, had the coal bunker built up, and I believe had a slightly different cab. Precision Scale Company has a lot of brass and plastic detail parts that can be added to a Lionel or other manufacturers 0-8-0 and it would look much closer to an N&W S1 or S1a.

N&W also added a clerestory on the tender for increased water capacity, over-fire air jets and a cinder screen on the stack.  Not to mention that under new ownership the locos got washed more regularly.  It would be great to have a loco with all of those refinements.  But personally I'm satisfied enough for now with my MTH 0-8-0 with the headlight in the wrong place and the wrong tender. 

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