Need help removing body from Allegheny Virginian 6-28028

Here’s a shot of the underside I took when I was getting ready to lube everything.

Can anyone verify the screws that I need to remove to separate the body from the chassis on this locomotive?
The manual pic only shows for screws but that’s hard to believe.

I believe that may be one with a harness looped over the crossmember for the front power truck.  I know some of them you have to take the front power truck off using that one screw and unplug one or two plugs to remove it.  Newer ones come apart intact.

@gunrunnerjohn posted:

I believe that may be one with a harness looped over the crossmember for the front power truck.  I know some of them you have to take the front power truck off using that one screw and unplug one or two plugs to remove it.  Newer ones come apart intact.

Is there any way to verify this? I have never done a disassembly on a locomotive before and am worried I may screw something up because I do not know what it is that I don’t know - but should.

Since I don't currently have one of these to look at, I can't verify it.  I have repaired and upgraded a few of these over the years, and I didn't have any problem getting them apart.  I had one recently for a Super-Chuffer installation, and I don't remember any issues doing the upgrade.  However, not all of the articulated stuff comes apart exactly the same way, so there's sometimes a wrinkle or two.

Ok thank you GRJ. If I run into a snag I’ll put a post on the forum.

The CC-M is supposed to be delivered tomorrow.

Just had mine apart several times doing upgrades.  Yes, 4 screws to get the body off (2 at cab, 2 at first set of steam chests).  First though, I'd remove the front set of drivers (big flat head screw, then push down gently and slide towards rear of locomotive).  I don't recall about the front pilot, but those are generally one screw if you need to remove it.  I might be forgetting something, but it was much easier than I had thought it would be.  It was my first upgrade on a modern locomotive, so I had it apart a dozen times getting it to all work.  It does now though, and I'm quite pleased.

@Burl posted:

Just had mine apart several times doing upgrades.

Wasn't there a connector from the front truck to the main chassis you had to unplug?

This is a view of my front driver and pilot. Are you referring to the big flathead screw at the right of the pic?

This one?

Yes, that is the screw to remove the front power truck.  It's also hooked inside so you'll have to slide it a bit to unhook it.  Also, the drive shaft coupling will slide off, to allow you to remove the truck.

Does anyone have a parts breakdown for this Allegheny Virginian locomotive ? Lionel 6-28028?

@gunrunnerjohn posted:

Yes, that is the screw to remove the front power truck.  It's also hooked inside so you'll have to slide it a bit to unhook it.  Also, the drive shaft coupling will slide off, to allow you to remove the truck.

How does the coupling reconnect during reassembly? Or is that done before the shell is reattached? I’ve never seen the inside of one of these so I’m not sure what to expect.

@Burl posted:

Just had mine apart several times doing upgrades.  Yes, 4 screws to get the body off (2 at cab, 2 at first set of steam chests).  First though, I'd remove the front set of drivers (big flat head screw, then push down gently and slide towards rear of locomotive).  I don't recall about the front pilot, but those are generally one screw if you need to remove it.  I might be forgetting something, but it was much easier than I had thought it would be.  It was my first upgrade on a modern locomotive, so I had it apart a dozen times getting it to all work.  It does now though, and I'm quite pleased.

Thank you.
How about reassembly? Gunrunner John mentioned the drive coupling sliding off etc., how hard is it to put the front truck back on? Is that done before the shell is put back on?

I have the C&O version of that engine. To disassemble:

• Remove the large screw that connects the front engine to the rear engine.
• Move the front engine rearward until you can unhook the L shaped hanger from the bracket inside the engine. Be careful not to loose the conical shaped washer and spring. Pull the front engine up and forward (this will disconnect the drive shaft) until you can see a connector with wires. Pull the connector apart and the front engine can be removed and set aside.
• Remove the 2 screws in the cylinders on the rear engine. Remove the 2 screws at the front of the firebox. You should be able to remove the frame from the boiler now by pulling them apart. If they don't want to come apart you may need to use a flat bladed screwdriver to gently pry them apart at the firebox.
• Once you can remove the boiler you will have to disconnect the wires going to the handrails (that's the antenna). Should be a yellow wire nut. Gently pull the cab light out of the backhead. I also think you have to pull apart the wire connector at the smoke unit as the smoke unit is mounted to the boiler.

Look out for other wires that may connect the frame to the boiler. It's been a while since I've had mine apart so I might have missed something. Take pictures as you take it apart so you if you don't remember how to put it back together, the pictures will help. Above all- take your time.

As articulated engines go this one is fairly simple to get apart. There aren't any wires for marker lights and number boards to contend with.

Ken

I think you all have it covered, but yes, there is a connector for the front pick-ups.  But, I have a cradle that let's me lay the shell over next to the frame, so often I'm able to do things without disconnecting all of the wires.  Ken's instructions look spot on to me as I read them.

Thank you all! This is the most expensive locomotive that I have bought so far - and I’m probably overly cautious because it is now my favorite even though it’s not a Legacy - so I appreciate every bit of advice all of you have given me.

So, I was able to get the shell off easily enough and yes there was a connector to the front truck as you guys mentioned. I took a lot of pics (these are only some of them!) for reference but because I have the foam cradle I was able to lay the shell onto it without disconnecting any other wires yet. Should I disconnect everything from the shell?

A couple of items… 1) when I lifted the shell off the light for the cab light (maybe the firebox glow?) was already exposed as you can see in one of the pics just behind the motor. And 2) is there anything else I should disconnect (other than what is needed for the CC-M installation) that will make this easier?

@Raven87 posted:

Does anyone have a parts breakdown for this Allegheny Virginian locomotive ? Lionel 6-28028?

https://www.lionelsupport.com/...;submitButton=Search

@gunrunnerjohn posted:

https://www.lionelsupport.com/...;submitButton=Search

Excellent. Thank you John!