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I am, Rege, a relatively NEW member to this blog but a 75 year OLD man who needs help trying something new.

(Incidentally, if you need help installing smoke units into vintage Lionel locomotives,

I've had a lot of unique experience and would be glad to help you with pics and notes.)

 

I bought a Lionel Whistling Shed, hoping to take out the whistle and install it in a tender without a whistle.

 

AfteDC Motor on Whistle Br finding an air whistle breakdown on Lionel’s site, I removed the 4 diodes (pic B) that were on the shed whistle.

 

From Brasseur Train Parts, I bought an 86-3320 circuit (pic A) that I thought

New Rohs with Bag A I needed to make the salvaged shed whistle work.

 

I have an old ZW transformer that blows all my vintage whistles very well.

 

I have a Lionel Sound Activation (pic C) device and know how to insert it into my circuit.

 

I also have a Lionel Sound Triggering Button (pic D).

 2-wire Sound Activation Button CSound Triggering Device D

Can one of you electronic experts help me hook up my shed whistle?

 

Is it even possible with the parts I have?

 

Im not sure what the small circuit is in pic E but it is 

similar to the 86-3320.

Old Rohs from Brasseur E

 

Thanks!

Rege in Pittsburgh

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • New Rohs with Bag A: Circuit Seen on Lionel Site
  • DC Motor on Whistle B: Air Whistle on Tender Base
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Hi Rege, I'm no expert but your using a modern era whistle which has a DC can motor so one of the issuses is the DC voltage. The other issue is the electronic relay to make the whistle blow. Your photo E might be all you need but I'm not sure. Also do you have the wiring diagram for the triggering buttons? I know I didn't answer your questions but at least this will put the question on the top of the list again.     Lenny

Thanks, trainmen, for your information!

I will give it a try.

Do you know what kind of whistle the 8633-20 circuit is used for?

 

Also, keep in mind that I've successfully installed Lionel smoke units into 1654s, 1655s, 1668s, 1688s, 1666s, 224s, and a host of others BUT not a 1615. These are regular smoke units, not drop down the chimney Sleuth devices.

 

 

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Lionel may have variations of that relay. Matter of fact, I know they do, because at some point they made a change in it, adding a resistor so that the whistle does not blow as loud. Very annoying... you hear the noise of the motor and air fan more than you do the whistle. Lionel has a video on their website on how to "disable" the resistor to make the whistle louder.

 

But I have only seen that relay used for the typical air whistle starter locomotives, which would be a DC can motor driven air whistle.

 

The older AC motored air whistles have a totally different, bigger mechanical relay. Whether this relay would work with a post war AC motored air whistle, I don't know... I would guess not, but sometimes I get pleasantly surprised.

Written off & on over hours(if its been said, sorry)

 

 Brianel-A low power draw coil, from an add on relay, could be powered from that dc units board, then introduce AC on the relays points. A relays linear motor(sol. coil) uses dc well, and uses less power than a rotary motor most often.

 

 How do you happen to own "pic E"? Was that part of the whistle shed? What is the part number for your shed. You do have some experience obviously, but how much you know is still a bit of a mystery so...

 Assuming your using a conventional Lionel ac transformer.

 

You need the modern equivalent of a whistle relay first, a whistle relay board! It ignores the equal pos/neg waves (like on an oscilloscope) of AC volts normally on the track, instead its triggered by a "DC voltage offset". An increase in just the positive ac wave (or negative for a bell) gets used as the relay trigger. A D cell battery touching the ac powered track will trigger it (but don't long term, batteries of the 1950s were made different, a little ac to them was ok. Exploding alkaline, etc. is bad.)

   These modern board type relays aren't always easily triggered by PW transformers because they still use the whistle rectifier disc, and issue a smooth wave on a Osc. scope (full sine wave). New stuff "chops" the wave up, because what it does, happens so fast. Those smooth waves, look like steep cliffs now. Visa versa, modern sound buttons, not inside a transformer, don't supply the 5v boost the transformers do, to start the old whistles moving. The older whistles need a quick 5v boost and the dc offset(1.5-2volt) for whistle, new ones do not. That 5v is the speed up you see when you hit the button. The principle is the same.

   Your old transformer could be updated with a large diode to do the same job as the disc. It will operate newer items much better, and leave in the boost for the old stuff. 

  The wh.motor you have now is likely dc, so the tracks ac must be converted to dc before reaching the motor. Or the relay board may change it to dc.

  Point is, once we figure which trigger to use, we need a reading off the Wh. relay board, to see if its ac/dc/ or a switch happening to the outputs.

  You have sound buttons, I can read a diagram, but I have not used either Part, so a part number would help for everything and/or where you got it. 

I'll try to help out here.

From what I am reading you want to put a DC motor whistle assembly from the shed in to a tender. Should mount OK. To trigger the whistle the circuit board 8633-20 between the DC motor and the Ground/pick-up assembly. Picture A and E are the same circuit board, parts just arranged different. You can use the 5906 controller, or on your ZW, just push the whistle lever half way. Sound triggering button not needed.

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