As some of you know I'm in the process of restoring a Pre-War Standard Gauge Scenic Railway:

https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/...gauge-display-layout

I am missing some of the smaller scenery pieces and hoping I might get lucky and find a few or get a lead on some. Sometimes the odd-ball stuff gets mixed in with other stuff or the owner is unsure of it's origin. One of the small metal grass plots I needed was found sitting by itself on a swap meet table.

In their Pre-War catalogs Lionel listed No.505 Oak trees and No. 504 Rose bushes.There were also other "500 series" trees and shrubs like the No.500 Pine Bushes and 501, 502 and 503 Pine trees of varying size. These were not the same as the Sisal rope or Hemp twine "mud trees" commonly seen on Scenic Plots. As best as I can tell from the remnants of a broken one, these trees all had a 1/8" wood dowel trunk and were made to insert in a pre-drilled hole . Likely made using Luffa sponge material.  It's too bad Ron Morris is gone he seemed to be the authority on this type of stuff. 

If anybody has anything (old) that looks like this or something that would be a suitable, period correct substitute , could you please post a picture ? Maybe Lionel sourced from another manufacturer like Ives or Hornby ?

The catalog picture doesn't help much as it just an artist's illustration but here's a blurry close up:

Trees

Any ideas or input is appreciated


Gerry

 

 

 

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Sounds like you are describing something similar to these

These trees came to me with an American Flyer set c. 1925 and I can verify they came with the set through an advertisement in a Butler Brother's catalog from 1925.

The trees are comprised of what I believe is natural sponge.  I know American Flyer cataloged trees and shrubs in their 1922-1924 catalogs.

NWL

Here are a few photos I have saved of old Lionel pre-made layouts, hope they help a bit.

 

 Thanks for posting this photos. Those factory layouts built on the tables with removable legs were fantastic. I've been looking for one for 30 some years. Even the factory built crate is magnificent looking. 

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Sounds like you are describing something similar to these

These trees came to me with an American Flyer set c. 1925 and I can verify they came with the set through an advertisement in a Butler Brother's catalog from 1925.

The trees are comprised of what I believe is natural sponge.  I know American Flyer cataloged trees and shrubs in their 1922-1924 catalogs.

NWL

Those are really neat looking and are probably very close or spot on to some of the smaller trees Lionel used . Certainly they are from the correct era. I'm sure they are also difficult to find. 

Since I posted I found an old thread where Ron Morris offered some of the examples from his collection. He shows the No. 505 Oak Tree as one of the "Sisal twine" style trees commonly seen on the Scenic Plots with the exception that these have a stand alone base rather than the roots being glued directly to the platform. While it deviates from what is shown in the catalog illustration I have to defer to Ron's expertise as he devoted many years to collecting and studying Lionel's Pre-War scenic offerings. 

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 Lionel No.505 Oak Tree (photo Ron Morris)

He also showed some interesting looking  Pre-war trees made of wire ...presumably of German origin :

deciduos%20trees%201 [1) (photo Ron Morris)

Another thread pointed to a German Company called Erzgebirge as a manufacturer of Pre War trees with wooden trunks. 

Thanks for the input, the search continues...

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I have a square milk box container of pre war style trees, shrubs and material that we will be listing on eBay this week. It came from a shop we bought out about 40 years ago. We just found when cleaning out a storage section in the basement. I think we will break up into smaller lots when listing. This might be what you are looking for.  Harry 

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