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Page 8 & 9 of the new, Volume II 2021 Lionel Catalog shows the new 2-10-0 Engine. It looks beautiful! However, the drive rods look as though they are made of plastic, not metal. Is this just a mock-up before the engines went into production to get a photo into the catalog?  Or have my worst dreams come true and they really are plastic?  There's no mention of the drive rods specifically, but I can't imagine the drive rods on the production models look like what's in the catalog. Anyone?

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@Dave Olson posted:

It's a brass hybrid Legacy scale model. We would never put plastic drive rods on it.

Dave two questions...

Will all versions have builders plates? They are only visible on certain images in the catalog.

Is there a reason why only the "In service" 90 (top left) has dark graphite on the smokebox and the rest look lighter? In real life, 90 has a dark graphite smokebox EXCEPT from 2013-2015.

No secret that this engine is a small fortune, I (and I assume most others) want to know exactly what we are ordering before placing the pre-order.

@Prr7688 posted:

Dave two questions...

Will all versions have builders plates? They are only visible on certain images in the catalog.

Is there a reason why only the "In service" 90 (top left) has dark graphite on the smokebox and the rest look lighter? In real life, 90 has a dark graphite smokebox EXCEPT from 2013-2015.

No secret that this engine is a small fortune, I (and I assume most others) want to know exactly what we are ordering before placing the pre-order.

The "Ryan and Dave Show" or as Dave likes to call it the "Dave and Ryan Show" will be on FaceBook and Youtube today at 3pm.  That would be a great question for Dave and Ryan to answer there as well as here.  I'm sure a lot of folks are curious.

@Prr7688 posted:

Dave two questions...

Will all versions have builders plates? They are only visible on certain images in the catalog.

Is there a reason why only the "In service" 90 (top left) has dark graphite on the smokebox and the rest look lighter? In real life, 90 has a dark graphite smokebox EXCEPT from 2013-2015.

No secret that this engine is a small fortune, I (and I assume most others) want to know exactly what we are ordering before placing the pre-order.

We have our catalog show at 3pm today. We'll talk in-depth on the 90. Hopefully most of your questions will be answered there, and if not let me know.

Not sure we covered all the questions on the FB post today so let me jump in on a few while I have a chance:

1. Metal side rods of course.  Most will be "polished" but some will feature blackened rods for other roads to represent a more in-service appearance.  (In service on a railroad that doesn't keep them as prim and proper as the SRC anyway!)

2. All of the catalog art is based off of our initial drawings which Dave helped render into an image format.  There will be some detail differences between some of the Strasburg units and especially the Strasburg and other railroads.  We will post updated images as we can.  The art is correct for the current Strasburg scheme.

3.  1967/2020 - 90 was repainted in this 1967 paint scheme last year for a photo charter.  It didn't last long (less than a week I think.)  But we wanted to offer it anyway because it is such a striking paint scheme.  A future run of these locomotives will include the extended smokebox.  When we have that, we'll re-run this paint scheme with the appropriate details. (And of course the later GW paint as well.)  So if you're looking for an accurate 1967-1980s #90, its in the works.  Didn't want to drop another 27 loco run on all of you at once like we did with the GS locos!  There are lots more Decapods in the future. (Hang in there KO&G fans!!!)

4.  Likewise the details on the Great Western 90s shown here will both be different.  One will be the loco as delivered on the GW.  The other is the original paint with modern SRC details.

5.  All will have builders plates.

6. We're working with the SRC every step of the way on these and we'll match graphite colors as closely as possible to the different eras as shown in the catalog.

7. Not asked here but bears repeating.  This locomotive is all new tooling.  Unlike past hybrids where we started with an existing drive/frame, this one required new tooling for all of those parts.  Most of you already know because I've certainly dropped enough hints that this project has been in development for quite a few years.  It is not an MTH Russian Decapod with Strasburg paint.

8. We are working with the SRC on sounds - including loco and dialog recordings.

9. Don't think it was mentioned in the catalog but like other brass hybrids, these will be individually numbered.

10. Swinging bell - we tried.  Won't fit!  Really, we tried!  I still owe Dave a dinner for that...

I'll be on a live Facebook and YouTube broadcast with the Strasburg on August 2.  So hopefully I'll be able to catch any questions I've missed or any new ones which come up then!  Please join us.  And we hope to have a first sample on hand by October - I want the photo op of our 90 with 90! 

@Jeff2035 posted:

What is meant by "1967/2020"?

Is it the way it was painted in 1967 and in 2020?

Short Answer: Yes

Long Answer: That was how 90 was painted in 1967 although at the time she had an extended smokebox. In the fall of 2020, the Strasburg RR painted 90 in its 1967 paint and ran a series of photo charters where she pulled both passenger services. After a couple of weekends. of photo charters, it was repainted back to its current appearance (the 2000s Lionel scheme. HERE is a video of the photo charter.

@Dave Olson posted:

We have our catalog show at 3pm today. We'll talk in-depth on the 90. Hopefully most of your questions will be answered there, and if not let me know.

@Conrail6358 posted:

Not sure we covered all the questions on the FB post today so let me jump in on a few while I have a chance:

1. Metal side rods of course.  Most will be "polished" but some will feature blackened rods for other roads to represent a more in-service appearance.  (In service on a railroad that doesn't keep them as prim and proper as the SRC anyway!)

2. All of the catalog art is based off of our initial drawings which Dave helped render into an image format.  There will be some detail differences between some of the Strasburg units and especially the Strasburg and other railroads.  We will post updated images as we can.  The art is correct for the current Strasburg scheme.

3.  1967/2020 - 90 was repainted in this 1967 paint scheme last year for a photo charter.  It didn't last long (less than a week I think.)  But we wanted to offer it anyway because it is such a striking paint scheme.  A future run of these locomotives will include the extended smokebox.  When we have that, we'll re-run this paint scheme with the appropriate details. (And of course the later GW paint as well.)  So if you're looking for an accurate 1967-1980s #90, its in the works.  Didn't want to drop another 27 loco run on all of you at once like we did with the GS locos!  There are lots more Decapods in the future. (Hang in there KO&G fans!!!)

4.  Likewise the details on the Great Western 90s shown here will both be different.  One will be the loco as delivered on the GW.  The other is the original paint with modern SRC details.

5.  All will have builders plates.

6. We're working with the SRC every step of the way on these and we'll match graphite colors as closely as possible to the different eras as shown in the catalog.

7. Not asked here but bears repeating.  This locomotive is all new tooling.  Unlike past hybrids where we started with an existing drive/frame, this one required new tooling for all of those parts.  Most of you already know because I've certainly dropped enough hints that this project has been in development for quite a few years.  It is not an MTH Russian Decapod with Strasburg paint.

8. We are working with the SRC on sounds - including loco and dialog recordings.

9. Don't think it was mentioned in the catalog but like other brass hybrids, these will be individually numbered.

10. Swinging bell - we tried.  Won't fit!  Really, we tried!  I still owe Dave a dinner for that...

I'll be on a live Facebook and YouTube broadcast with the Strasburg on August 2.  So hopefully I'll be able to catch any questions I've missed or any new ones which come up then!  Please join us.  And we hope to have a first sample on hand by October - I want the photo op of our 90 with 90! 

Dave and Ryan, thank you guys for finally getting this locomotive from floating idea bubbles, blueprints, to being a production model. I know the you Ryan have talked quite a bit about getting this one done, and a few times that we had talked about it. I remember myself saying I had no idea how many other Decapods existed out in the world other than those that had been used in Russia from some historical footage from the History Channel I saw. I still have to review the cars to see what I am ordering on those, but I am going with the 2000's version since that was what it was wearing when I saw the Great Train Robbery in 2016.



I'll have to catch the FB live show tomorrow as I don't have time to watch it tonight.

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Hey, there's Dave and Ryan from October 2017 York. Who is having more fun? This was that Saturday well after too much smoke fluid was in the VL Niagara sample, and it threw it's traction tires, but still ran on. I would have popped #90 pictures I took at Strasburg in 2016, but I think that is on the flash drive I loaned to my sister who has had it since early 2017. I will have to get that back from her.

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It is impossible for me to tell from the catalog pictures, will the boiler be prototypically round on the underside? If so, that would clinch the sale for me. If you've ever seen No. 90, or any steam locomotive up close and in person for that matter, you'll know how the underside of a steam model should look. Since this is a hybrid brass-diecast model I am keeping my fingers crossed.

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@Paul Kallus posted:

It is impossible for me to tell from the catalog pictures, will the boiler be prototypically round on the underside? If so, that would clinch the sale for me. If you've ever seen No. 90, or any steam locomotive up close and in person for that matter, you'll know how the underside of a steam model should look. Since this is a hybrid brass-diecast model I am keeping my fingers crossed.

I'm guessing not. I can't imagine how they would have the motor drive the wheels unless the tender was the powered unit like soime of those 4-4-0s.

@Paul Kallus posted:

It is impossible for me to tell from the catalog pictures, will the boiler be prototypically round on the underside? If so, that would clinch the sale for me. If you've ever seen No. 90, or any steam locomotive up close and in person for that matter, you'll know how the underside of a steam model should look. Since this is a hybrid brass-diecast model I am keeping my fingers crossed.

Paul, I tried to get a close up view on the web page looking at 22231030(the 2000's model), I don't know if this answers your question at all since it is only art.

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I imagine that once it gets past the front of the boiler where the colors change, the underside will as well to make way for all the gears, shafts and other such things that drive the engine. Maybe Dave can answer @Dave Olson this in more detail if possible. Dave, can you answer Paul's question if it is round on the underside, or is it just until the front of the boiler ends going further into the black part of the shell where the gears, shafts and such change? I think that is what Paul means, but what do I know.

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@Paul Kallus posted:

It is impossible for me to tell from the catalog pictures, will the boiler be prototypically round on the underside? If so, that would clinch the sale for me. If you've ever seen No. 90, or any steam locomotive up close and in person for that matter, you'll know how the underside of a steam model should look. Since this is a hybrid brass-diecast model I am keeping my fingers crossed.

Here you go Paul. This is what your talking about.

The catalog photos seem to show that open space back as far as the first two sets of drive wheels. I assume there is a prototypically round boiler underside up until that point. But it's only a catalog photo and we know how that goes.

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Thanks for posting the video, Skip, it's always neat to see No. 90 in action. I am lucky to have seen it in person numerous visits to Strasburg. It's quite an experience for me standing next to a fire-breathing machine.

Many of Lionel's scale diecast steamers designed in early 2000's and re-issued again and again have the leaf springs and suspension cast in as part of a U-shaped boiler - it's hideously un-prototypical to say the least. I think it was Korean Brass or another Korean contractor who chose that design, and Lionel just stuck with it over the years. Newer scale engines like the Reading T1 and Milw. Rd. S-3 have rounded boilers with an open slot on the underside to accommodate drive mechanisms and wiring; and am hoping the new 2-10-0 will as well. MTH has utilized the round boiler with open slot for many, but not all, of its scale steam engines for a long time.

I am not a rivet-counter per se, but getting the boiler as accurate as possible is a no-brainer, or at least it should be given the cost of these models.

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@Mikado 4501 posted:

The only thing that’s confusing me a bit is its pricing with dealers.

Most of the dealers I purchase from have the prices of this locomotive fluctuating from MSRP to a preorder price and back again. What’s up with that?

What I heard from my dealer is that Lionel gave the dealers an incorrect pre-order discount. Lionel realized this on the day of the catalog release so a lot of the prices that were originally published by the dealers was with the incorrect discount. Perhaps there is still some confusion on prices going around.

My dealer also mentioned that there will not be a huge pre-order discount on these since it's new tooling AND brass hybrid.

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