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@GG1 4877 posted:

A properly done Crescent has been long overdue.  Good thing I have the plan book for it.  

I also have several books and few issues of the Eagle to cover that train as well.

Good news!

Well this will be vary interesting on the Mopac and T&P sets. His advertisement lacks a little to be desired information for me to jump in and order set sat this time .    The dome car  should be an all welded car not riveted as some may think built by Pullman. Just make sure of what you will get.  Budd cars as well they are distinctive in style.    The attached photos  model was made of ,020: Brass  sheeting from scratch, the Dome section was fabricated from 17 pieces and soldered together .  Won first place O scale West 2019 By Bill Basden.

A really true Texas Eagle train is more than 8 cars .  Originally it ran with 14 cars and with Porthole E 6 A B locomotives. He will need to do a rerun corrected model of  E6 6 A B from the first run. He did not want to do E 7 he would have to do a new die with Portholes

Now if he does this correctly , you can make up 3 separate trans. Texas Eagle ----- West Texas Eagle--- and  Louisiana Eagle . With Pool cars from B&O    NYC   PRR Pen Texas Eagle.

So The reservations will tell the story.

Bob Harris

 

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@Bob Harris posted:

Well this will be vary interesting on the Mopac and T&P sets. His advertisement lacks a little to be desired information for me to jump in and order set sat this time .    The dome car  should be an all welded car not riveted as some may think built by Pullman. Just make sure of what you will get.  Budd cars as well they are distinctive in style.    The attached photos  model was made of ,020: Brass  sheeting from scratch, the Dome section was fabricated from 17 pieces and soldered together .  Won first place O scale West 2019 By Bill Basden.

A really true Texas Eagle train is more than 8 cars .  Originally it ran with 14 cars and with Porthole E 6 A B locomotives. He will need to do a rerun corrected model of  E6 6 A B from the first run. He did not want to do E 7 he would have to do a new die with Portholes

Now if he does this correctly , you can make up 3 separate trans. Texas Eagle ----- West Texas Eagle--- and  Louisiana Eagle . With Pool cars from B&O    NYC   PRR Pen Texas Eagle.

So The reservations will tell the story.

Bob Harris

 

 

@Bob Harris posted:

Well this will be vary interesting on the Mopac and T&P sets. His advertisement lacks a little to be desired information for me to jump in and order set sat this time .    The dome car  should be an all welded car not riveted as some may think built by Pullman. Just make sure of what you will get.  Budd cars as well they are distinctive in style.    The attached photos  model was made of ,020: Brass  sheeting from scratch, the Dome section was fabricated from 17 pieces and soldered together .  Won first place O scale West 2019 By Bill Basden.

A really true Texas Eagle train is more than 8 cars .  Originally it ran with 14 cars and with Porthole E 6 A B locomotives. He will need to do a rerun corrected model of  E6 6 A B from the first run. He did not want to do E 7 he would have to do a new die with Portholes

Now if he does this correctly , you can make up 3 separate trans. Texas Eagle ----- West Texas Eagle--- and  Louisiana Eagle . With Pool cars from B&O    NYC   PRR Pen Texas Eagle.

So The reservations will tell the story.

Bob Harris

 I petitioned hard to get the E7 but I understand a new die just to get the portholes would not be economically feasible.  I’ve suggested An E6 (or 8) rerun to Scott - and tack it onto the E1,EA offering to make it happen quicker.  And what wrong with the MP E6 First run ?  Short of a “Key” model, it’s the best offered to date.

The MP TP EAGLE offering is barely announced.  I hope some “experts” can ALL step forward and contribute to fine tuning this never done before in “O” train.  There’s all kinds of possibilities on building a wonderful consist to either your taste, mixes of MP TP, or as close to prototypical as you can/want.  We Won’t get everything we want but it’ll be better than anything out there. The Texas EAGLE was a complex consist with Splits to New Orleans, Dallas-Fort Worth-El Paso on TP then another split to Houston and another to Austin, San Antonio-Laredo, then Via NDM to Mexico City.  Build your consist to meet what YOU like.  LOTS of options !!!!  (And the NYC pool sleeper was not included as it ended by 1950. The 5 bedroom-lounge is a cool extra to add as there were only 3 / one MP and two TP.  And I’d like to see a NDM 10-6 added too.

Bring on the MP TP experts !!!!!!  Make this as good as it can be !!!!!

Im sure I’ll have more to add later.  Cheers

TrainBub

 

 

@Will Ebbert posted:

I'm in a dilemma as to whether or not I want Scott to do another run of E8s. Southern usually ran 4 of them on the Crescent, and so while the 3rd Rail units would be gorgeous, that's a ridiculous amount of money for me to spend on top of the train itself. I may have to go with Lionel's upcoming release at roughly half the cost.

Wow. 4 units. To accommodate that plus the minimum 8 car consist you need to have a layout that fits in a strip shopping center. 😳

Well.  A bit of an exaggeration but still ....... a huge layout. I’m glad I don’t have to worry about that. 

@TrainBub posted:

 

 

 

The person who helped put the data package together for the MP E6 worked very hard to make sure all the ducks were in a row on this model to be really great. It was only  months later things were found  and to late to correct. Scott tried to get things corrected but it was to late in the process  a lot of money that the builder wanted to correct.  The A unit rates an 9 on a 10.

The main issue is the B unit is a 7 out of 10. The photo will show the biggest error is the Porthole location, builder wanted 6 K to correct it. It did not get done. But if he does these again you may have to live with it as the first.

Bob Harris

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@Bob Harris posted:

The person who helped put the data package together for the MP E6 worked very hard to make sure all the ducks were in a row on this model to be really great. It was only  months later things were found  and to late to correct. Scott tried to get things corrected but it was to late in the process  a lot of money that the builder wanted to correct.  The A unit rates an 9 on a 10.

The main issue is the B unit is a 7 out of 10. The photo will show the biggest error is the Porthole location, builder wanted 6 K to correct it. It did not get done. But if he does these again you may have to live with it as the first.

Bob Harris

Thanks Bob. An E6 with as many corrections as possible on a run 2 will be nice. All except the errant porthole should be easy fixes (And be nice to offer MUs to run one buyers).  Even with the errors I think I’m in “tall cotton” As my E6 purchase was an upgrade from a MTH model - with square “portholes”.  I hope a run 2 happens - I will push for a offering of the late variant in Jenks blue.

The Texas EAGLE Sure needs another run of diesels to finish off the consist. There were only 2 MP E6 AB SETS. E8s were more plentiful and had distinct MP and TP nose art. Alco PAs are always gorgeous. The 8s are nice for specific MP or TP consists but roamed the entire “empire”. Let’s hope there will be enough interest to make a run 2 happen. The 6 has only one run so far so might be a more likely possibility as part of a larger 6 run.  
Let’s hope some good diligence will be present in the Texas Eagles planning and production !!!!

@TrainBub posted:

Thanks Bob. An E6 with as many corrections as possible on a run 2 will be nice. All except the errant porthole should be easy fixes (And be nice to offer MUs to run one buyers).  Even with the errors I think I’m in “tall cotton” As my E6 purchase was an upgrade from a MTH model - with square “portholes”.  I hope a run 2 happens - I will push for a offering of the late variant in Jenks blue.

The Texas EAGLE Sure needs another run of diesels to finish off the consist. There were only 2 MP E6 AB SETS. E8s were more plentiful and had distinct MP and TP nose art. Alco PAs are always gorgeous. The 8s are nice for specific MP or TP consists but roamed the entire “empire”. Let’s hope there will be enough interest to make a run 2 happen. The 6 has only one run so far so might be a more likely possibility as part of a larger 6 run.  
Let’s hope some good diligence will be present in the Texas Eagles planning and production !!!!

Let’s hope some good diligence will be present in the Texas Eagles planning and production !!!!   I totally agree that this is needed, and the porthole is not an easy fix. You are looking to correct the die or insert that is the issue. The cost is still there.

I too hope Scott has some good experts on board on this one. there is only maybe two people that I know of that have the knowledge and time to help. I do not know if they are. It is a lot of work to put a package together to meet the goal to please people.

Bob Harris

 

 

@Bob Harris posted:

Let’s hope some good diligence will be present in the Texas Eagles planning and production !!!!   I totally agree that this is needed, and the porthole is not an easy fix. You are looking to correct the die or insert that is the issue. The cost is still there.

I too hope Scott has some good experts on board on this one. there is only maybe two people that I know of that have the knowledge and time to help. I do not know if they are. It is a lot of work to put a package together to meet the goal to please people.

Bob Harris

 

 

Steering the offering to Just the Texas EAGLES was a good first step.  All EAGLES would have been a dysfunctional manufacturing pain. Even though the Texas EAGLE will be two offerings, they have the same paint and equipment with mostly only Differences of Numbering, names, and small road lettering by the doors. Even Penn and B&O thru sleepers conform to MP TP standards. There are some details that will probably come out But there’s plenty of time to fine tune. 

I know this isn't the O Gauge Railroading library shelf, however, Texas & Pacific modelers may not know about a book that perhaps many T&P fans have never heard of themselves.  It's not a railroad book, rather an indepth study that covers railroads, highways, avation, industry, oil, gas, ranching, cattle, etc. found on the T&P between Ft. Worth and El Paso.  It still remains a very interesting read in itself. 

Title: Tomorrow in West Texas:Economic Opportunities Along the Texas & Pacific Railway

Author: Sidney L. Miller

Publisher: The Texas Tech Press, Lubbock, TX, 1956  (This book was their entrance into the publishing field and was financed in part by the T&P no less!)

Hardcover, published with dustjacket, 643pp

Do a Google search or check out: www.abebooks.com

 

 

 

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@Will Ebbert posted:

Fantastic! I'll update my order! 

Great! Same here. I do have one questions. I know the Crescent ran sleepers through from the PRR & the Southern Pacific’s Sunset Limited. So would the proper PRR sleeper be a Tuscan 10-6 or one of the Southern 10-6 sleepers lettered “Pennsylvania”. If the Southern has some sleepers with Pennsylvania written on them it would be a great suggestion for Scott. 

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Great! Same here. I do have one questions. I know the Crescent ran sleepers through from the PRR & the Southern Pacific’s Sunset Limited. So would the proper PRR sleeper be a Tuscan 10-6 or one of the Southern 10-6 sleepers lettered “Pennsylvania”. If the Southern has some sleepers with Pennsylvania written on them it would be a great suggestion for Scott. 

I'm not familiar with them having Pennsy and SP cars. Louisville & Nashville had a significant number of cars in the pool I know, then I think Atlanta & West Point had a few coaches. To me, L&N would be the best option besides Southern. 

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