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New Haven Railroad EP-5 Electric “Motor” #371.

The New Haven Railroad’s electrification went into operation in 1907 for 21 miles between Woodlawn, New York and Stamford, Connecticut following a ban on steam locomotives in New York City enacted in 1903 and effective in 1908. The electrification was extended to New Haven in 1914, 72 miles from Grand Central Terminal. Steam locomotives, and later diesels, covered the remaining 157 miles to Boston until Amtrak completed its electrification around 2000, so a locomotive change was part of the scene at New Haven for decades. I used to stand on the platforms at New Haven and watch as the change was done.

The EP-5s began passenger service between New Haven and Grand Central Terminal in 1955, the last NYNH&HRR electric “motors” designed for that purpose. As with earlier New Haven electric passenger power, they operated on overhead 11,000 Volt AC catenary between New Haven and Woodlawn and then transitioned at speed to 650 Volt DC third-rail power for the remaining 12 miles into GCT on the tracks of the New York Central’s Harlem Division.

By the 1950s, the New Haven needed new electric passenger power and contracted with General Electric for a 4,000 horsepower, rectifier-equipped “motor.” They were delivered during the administration of Patrick McGinnis, whose wife was instrumental in creating the modern red-black-white paint schemes and block-lettered “NH” logo that became symbols of the railroad and subsequently appeared on many of its diesel locomotives.

The EP-5s weighed 350,500 pounds and produced 34,100 pounds of tractive force with 87,000 pounds allowed momentarily. They were geared for 105 miles-per-hour and ran at up to 90 miles-per-hour on the railroad, but the speed limit was 70. On the New Haven, they were known as “jets” because of the loud noise from blowers that cooled the electrical components. The EP-5s suffered from deferred maintenance due to the 1959 closing of the Van Nest Shops (in the Bronx, NY) and the New Haven’s deteriorating financial condition during the 1950s and ‘60s. When the New Haven was merged into the Penn Central in 1969, only six of the ten EP-5s were still running. All ten were scrapped by 1979.

In my opinion, the MTH scale-sized EP-5 is a landmark O gauge model, just as the Lionel version was in the 1950s. My model of New Haven EP-5 #371 was made by MTH Premier (20-2195-1) and was offered in the 1999 Volume 1 catalog at an MSRP of $349.95. As a New Haven fan, this model was one of my first modern O gauge acquisitions and it has been running on my model railroad for 23 years. It has PS1 and a BCR but no speed control. The sounds, including the cooling blowers, are authentic and loud. The PS1 electronics are satisfactory to me and have been trouble-free. Even without speed control, a well-broken-in EP-5 model with PS1 runs smoothly at low speeds, as seen in the second video.

By the 1950s, the precarious financial condition of the New Haven Railroad resulted in trains made up of multiple types of passenger cars, which is how I run model trains behind my EP-5. Attached below are pictures of the three types of passenger cars in the consist of my EP-5 model, including the 1949 fluted stainless steel sleeping car “Shippan Point” by MTH; the 1934/35 Pullman-Standard “American-Flyer” lightweight passenger car #8204 by Weaver Models; and the 1929 heavyweight parlor-lounge car “Flying Cloud,” also by MTH.

MELGAR

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Mel, thank you for another interesting history lesson.  I would have been a good student if I studied railroads!

Here’s a photo of my K-Line NH EP-5 being assisted by “DOCKSIDER” star 0-6-0T no. X-8688.  A friend has the MTH model; I believe the K-Line is it’s equal, but I haven’t examined them side by side.

My engine operates erratically with cruise engaged under conventional control, so I shut that feature off.  It runs smoothly that way, but I have be careful with the throttle.  The reduced power consumption with cruise off turns my model into a true “jet”!

John

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@Steam Crazy posted:
...snip... A friend has the MTH model; I believe the K-Line is it’s equal, but I haven’t examined them side by side. ...snip...

John

Several folks (into O scale brass) have told me the the K-Line EP-5 betters the Overland brass one so it should be nicer than the MTH one. The last Stout auction had an Overland one up for bid so I was able to scrutinize the photos and they were right.

@Steam Crazy posted:

Dave, the most prominent difference to me is the window trim.  The K-Line is simulated stainless/aluminum while the MTH is black.  I don’t know which (or both) is prototypical, but I like the looks of the bright trim.

John

John,

I have yet to find a picture of an EP-5 that doesn't show the aluminum strip around the front windows. I think the K-Line model is more accurate.

MELGAR

@Farmall-Joe posted:

Sorry Mel,  could be the format. They're old digital camera videos and the file sizes are a bit large.

I was able to view them on Mac Mini using Microsoft Edge browser. Might be browser related as .avi is an older format. You can convert the file to something smaller and more compatible with all browsers, like .MP4. There are some online free converters including one from Adobe using Adobe Express.

@Wvm posted:

Mooner.  The problem seems to be that the files have a file size of 0. So maybe nothing actually uploaded?

Hmm? All 3 videos showing up for me using both Safari and Microsoft Edge on my computer, but only show up as thumbnail photos when I access on iPhone. No clue, but nice short videos.

First, at my age the electronics and such are very confusing. I have a Motorola Note new phone. It seems to take nice videos but I have no idea how to get them onto the forum. I have some videos I would love to post but have no idea how to do. Are there some simple explanations?  I suppose I should seek the help of someone much younger. Getting old sucks!  Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

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The CP also had a line through northern Vermont to Woodsville, NH connecting with the B&M with two pairs of short passenger trains.

I( rode both lines in 1953 returning from summer camp in northern Maine.  First from McAdam Jct. to Sherbrooke in a lower berth behind a royal Hudson.  Next day the Alouette from Newport, VT to St. Johnsbury.

The Alouette was an ideal train for modelers who want a prototypical short train (five cars).with an observation car.  The B&M took it from Woods River, NH to Boston.  Among the cars were a CP RPO-baggage, B&M "American Flyer" car and a CP cafe-parlor-obs.  It would look right with a CP E-8 or a B&M E unit.  I'll try to find my whole train slide and post it.

Thinking of posts from MELGAR, I recall looking out from Burton House and seeing steam rising on the Grand Junction.  We walked over and found a steam powered wrecker lifting a derailed tank car.  I got there in 1955 for the last year of B&M steam.  I believe I have a slide of the 1455 (or maybe the 1453 - looked the same).  I'll try to find hat and post it in the next couple of days

Malcolm Laughlin

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Thinking of posts from MELGAR, I recall looking out from Burton House and seeing steam rising on the Grand Junction.  We walked over and found a steam powered wrecker lifting a derailed tank car.  I got there in 1955 for the last year of B&M steam.  I believe I have a slide of the 1455 (or maybe the 1453 - looked the same).  I'll try to find hat and post it in the next couple of days

Malcolm Laughlin

Malcolm,

You weren't the only one of us who looked out from the windows in Burton House, but I got there a few years after you and only saw diesels crossing Mass. Avenue... I look forward to seeing your posts in this thread.

MELGAR

@Bill Park posted:

First, at my age the electronics and such are very confusing. I have a Motorola Note new phone. It seems to take nice videos but I have no idea how to get them onto the forum. I have some videos I would love to post but have no idea how to do. Are there some simple explanations?  I suppose I should seek the help of someone much younger. Getting old sucks!  Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/...g-videos-from-iphone

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May 21, 2022 - Boston & Maine Railroad 2-8-0 #2403 – Your New England Model Trains

The primary freight locomotives on the Boston and Maine Railroad between 1901 and 1920 were 246 2-8-0 “Consolidation” steam engines in classes K-4 through K-8 built by Alco (Schenectady), Baldwin (Philadelphia) and Brooks (Dunkirk, NY). Some of the K-7 class were used in Boston commuter service, including K-7-c class #2403, which ran on the railroad’s Stoneham branch.

B&M 2-8-0 #2403 had an operating weight of 288,000 pounds (engine and tender with coal and water). The engine weight was 170,000 pounds with 148,000 pounds on its 61-inch-diameter driving wheels. It ran at a boiler pressure of 200 psi and produced 33,443 pounds of tractive effort. It was the last, or one of the last 2-8-0s on the B&M, built by Alco in May 1910 and scrapped in June 1955.

My model of Boston & Maine #2403 was made by Weaver Models. It’s a good-looking die-cast model of a Baldwin 2-8-0 that I run conventionally. The model’s bell, sand and steam domes match the positions on Boston & Maine’s K-8 class “Consolidations” (#2600 to #2689) that were built by Baldwin but differ from B&M #2403, which was built by Alco. The model also lacks the prototypical arched cab side-windows. Track power must be at least 10 Volts for the sounds to play, so the once-per-rev chuffing is heard only when the model is moving rather fast. Nonetheless, I like the way this model looks on my 10’-by-5’ layout and I enjoy running it. The pictures and video show it pulling two recent-issue Lionel wood passenger coaches (Lionel L2227100 Boston & Maine Wood Coach 2-Pack #2).

MELGAR

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@Bill Park posted:

First, at my age the electronics and such are very confusing. I have a Motorola Note new phone. It seems to take nice videos but I have no idea how to get them onto the forum. I have some videos I would love to post but have no idea how to do. Are there some simple explanations?  I suppose I should seek the help of someone much younger. Getting old sucks!  Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Bill- I use a cloud storage service called Dropbox to store and catalog all of my photos and videos.

They have a free subscription which offers limited storage space or you can buy a larger package. Once installed on your computer, you can then also install their app on your phone and any pix or videos you take will automatically sync with your computer. The set up may be a little involved for you so some assistance from a friend or grandchild may be in order.

The Forum has a 100 MB limit for posting videos directly to the site. Anything larger would have to be done through Youtube, etc. Attachments to a post starts with the "add attachments" link at the bottom right in the blue box.

Rich Melvin did a tutorial on posting videos here.

And remember...NO VERTICAL VIDEOS!

Bob

@RSJB18 posted:

Bill- I use a cloud storage service called Dropbox to store and catalog all of my photos and videos.

They have a free subscription which offers limited storage space or you can buy a larger package. Once installed on your computer, you can then also install their app on your phone and any pix or videos you take will automatically sync with your computer. The set up may be a little involved for you so some assistance from a friend or grandchild may be in order.

I also use Dropbox, but there's a better option if you want more storage free with automatic sync of your photos on the phone, MEGA.  Here's one of many positive reviews: Mega Cloud Storage Review.  I also give it high marks.

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