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The majority of items above don't require new tooling and  were never offered yet by MTH. The new PS-1 would require minor changes to the door area. A couple other items require new tooling.

I stay away from non-scale - detailed Railking cars. Never could understand the point of them since there are so many other companies with 027 items flooding the market.

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I didn't have the patience to wait.  I made my own.

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Old RS-27 with PS-1.   Upgraded with ERR Cruise Commander and Railsounds.   It had the red logo.  I didn't like it either.  Removed the red logo and put white logos in their place.  Weathered the crap out of it.  I found out, after I was finished, that 2406 had the black dip scheme with no lettering or side logos.  It would be easy to change the numbers and logos to create a custom scheme.  I don't think any two RS-27 had the same paint scheme.  Don't hold your breath waiting for MTH to re-release the PC scheme again.  If they did, it would be Railking Scale.

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I doubt that any of the manufacturers will ever produce a scale PC transfer caboose.  Too limited in the selection of road names.  If anybody does it will be MTH with various fantasy schemes.  I built a N9 transfer caboose using the chassis from a 40' PS-1 boxcar.  I figured that this is the only way I would ever see, or have one of these cars.  I would gladly take a production N9 or N11 model if they were made.

Tom

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I also want to add these paint schemes for the models MTH ALREADY HAS:

Alco Pa

ALCo PA-1 Demo A/B

ALCO RSD4

Rsd4 Demo unit [yes its in the SF zebra striped scheme!]

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ALCo Fa-2 A-B-B-A Demonstrators [MTH"Marketters"once told me this dip scheme is BLAND and wouldn't sell!

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Rs11 Demonstrators

Alstom sd40

Rebuilt Sd40 demo unit

BLWDEMDT6200

BLW Transfer unit

EMD F7 Demo1

EMD f7 A-B-A demo units

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SD50 Demo unit

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C-liner demo units

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Postcard- artists rendition of an SD60M demo unit

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GP40 Lease unit

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EMD f7 A-B test beds!

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Anybody offer where that CNJ photo was taken? Possibly on Reading somewhere near Philly?

Never saw this photo before.

Thanks.

Walter M. Matuch

PS: I'd buy the A-B 'babyface if MTH made. Use Alco FA chassis and trucks, tooling modification from Centipedes. Make in CNJ (3 different schemes blue/orange - green/yellow stripes and all green) - MoPac - NYC prototypical and then PRR , SAL, NdeM and UP fantasy (logical too)CNJ2

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Walter Matuch posted:

Anybody offer where that CNJ photo was taken? Possibly on Reading somewhere near Philly?

Never saw this photo before.

Thanks.

Walter M. Matuch

PS: I'd buy the A-B 'babyface if MTH made. Use Alco FA chassis and trucks, tooling modification from Centipedes. Make in CNJ (3 different schemes blue/orange - green/yellow stripes and all green) - MoPac - NYC prototypical and then PRR , SAL, NdeM and UP fantasy (logical too)CNJ2

Walter. Here is more picture information: 

JERSEY CENTRAL: Baldwin “Babyface” freight diesel 78 is fresh out of the paint shop as it heads a freight under PRR’s Greenville freight line in February 1952.
Ed Theisinger photo

Hope at we can see that Baldwin babyface model some day. MTH, Lionel, Atlas...... wake up.

-Johan

Make new Plug-doors for the PS-1 50' double-door box car in order to produce these Norfolk and Western plug-door 50' double-door box cars.

There were 1000 of these Norfolk & Western plug-door 50' double-door box cars. They were common in freight trains during the 1970's and 1980's.

Notice that the used deep blue on the early cars and nearly black-blue on the later cars. 

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NW 164800-164999

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MTH 64' Woodside Coaches in "Staten Island" (SIRT) paint including minor modifications suggested by E. Bommer in his OST Mar/Apr '09 article, pages 39-45.  Easiest modifications would be inserts for the 4 end and 4 side end windows and the simple paint job.  Those wishing to go further with Ed's modifications would have that much less to do.

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Three cars with an SIRT camelback would make a swell Premier RTR set.  Pull the lead driver, axle, plus associated running gear from their standard camelback, plug the hole and paint her up. 

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I don’t think they would sell many of those above but the MU & BMT sets in several colors would sell out along with another version of the S2 ALCO.

We need the re-painted S2 9027 large letter S I version with SIRT WHITE stencil logo as shown. 9027 was off to the front side. I believe the blue is a shade lighter than other B&O versions. This was a special paint and lettering scheme by the local Clifton shop!

 

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Well, Steve, I've asked for a rerun of "your" MTH SIRT S-2 so many times I figured I'd have to do something different.  I'm working on Ed's conversion of a Woodsided coach, right now, with a few of my own shortcuts and modifications - having already created one "parts car" due to my incompetence and ineptitude.

Whenever I feel the need a Island-ese language skills refresher, I give this one a listen to hear "the tawkin' an' everything"...  Cuz Oiy was a Staten Oilandah foah twenty yeahz, myself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chV6Iq5elBg

Of course, your videos set at Grasmere and DeJonges are without equal for realism and humor.  I'll never forget the first time I saw them, I had to watch again and again to convince myself that it was O Gauge!  Amazing work!

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Tanks Rapid, LOL!

I fit a lot into a 3' wide space. No need for full bloated O structures when you can achieve a better result with flats and backs. Since a commuter sees the back of structures on the ROW, I model everything backwards. Keep it simple, no need for the cluttered look.

O sales are not as brisk as years ago, maybe MTH will step it up a notch and do something....... BIG LEAGUE.

I would like to see more demo items from models already existing!

ALCo Rs11 demos

ALCo PA-1 demo

ALCO/MLW/GE in the early CN scheme

ALCO Fa-2 A-B-B-A!

ALCo S2 Shop Switcher

ALCO Rs2 Demo in interstate colors?

ALCo Rs2 Demo1

ALCo RSD4/5 Demonstrator in SF Zebra Stripe Paint scheme!

ALCO RSD4ALCO RSD4b

GE U25B demo

GE Dash 9 Demo [ Lionel did this scheme on their OVersized GE which didn't sell well cause it was OVERSIZED! not about the scheme]

Some FM demo models:

H-15-44 in UP colors

FM H-16-44

FM C-Liners A-A

 

and of course the remaining EMD demonstrators that have yet to be done in 3 rail!

3rd just announced these in 3 rail. How about it Atlas O and/or MTH?

EMD SD80 [ Conrail picked the two demo jobs up!]

Self Explanatory

EMD E3 [ PRobably painted in KCS executive colors]

This trio was responsible in putting the proverbial "nail in the coffin" on the Steam vs. Diesel debates of the 1960-1990's

Lionel announced a Tri-Clopes Sd60M so I need your help in pushing Lionel to do this scheme in their second run before the Lionel product managers do thier infamous- hit and run-marketing tactic! 

and some Faux paint schemes but worthy of production mentions:

MTH - PLEASE reconsider demo "dip" Paint jobs!!

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For Lionel since they are bringing out a Tri-Clopse wide cab

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the "controversial"DD40" Lionel did a DD35 and in some faux schemes so why not? 

Even in Red too!

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Well, perhaps if I add my vote to the multitude stumping for the Baldwin Babyface then MTH corporate will become terrified that I'm losing interest in an array of SIRT ALCo S-2s and rush to production.  The only O Gauge Babyface was Lionel's Centipede - pretty to look at but who has 2 degree curves on their layout?  As has been stated elsewhere, Lionel has the basic tooling for the cab and the trucks, therefore, all that's needed more new tooling for the body or to just chop off some of the "pede" in "centipede" and run with it.

Central Railroad of New Jersey Baldwin Diesel Locomotives.:

While I'm at it, I might as well add my voice to the chorus clamoring for the Baldwin DT-6-6-2000.  I grew up with the DTs... Ooops, that doesn't sound right.  Having grown up along "The J", I can remember those units, resplendent in their orange and green, on the road jobs rolling through the corn fields and long to have one even it is only for static display.

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Rapid Transit Holmes posted:

While I'm at it, I might as well add my voice to the chorus clamoring for the Baldwin DT-6-6-2000.  I grew up with the DTs... Ooops, that doesn't sound right.  Having grown up along "The J", I can remember those units, resplendent in their orange and green, on the road jobs rolling through the corn fields and long to have one even it is only for static display.

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This is a rebuilt locomotive with EMD 1200h.p. engines under modified SW hoods.  All of the J's transfer switchers were rebuilt between 1956 and 1962.

Here's a "before" shot:

Baldwin DT66 2000 EJ&E 702

Rusty

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Rusty Traque posted:
Rapid Transit Holmes posted:

While I'm at it, I might as well add my voice to the chorus clamoring for the Baldwin DT-6-6-2000.  I grew up with the DTs... Ooops, that doesn't sound right.  Having grown up along "The J", I can remember those units, resplendent in their orange and green, on the road jobs rolling through the corn fields and long to have one even it is only for static display.

 

This is a rebuilt locomotive with EMD 1200h.p. engines under modified SW hoods.  All of the J's transfer switchers were rebuilt between 1956 and 1962.

Here's a "before" shot:

Baldwin DT66 2000 EJ&E 702

Rusty

Rusty,,

Thanks for the additional information, the modification is obvious - once you know the secret.  They were such magnificent, homely beasts!  An O Gauge version would be delightful.

Tom Densel posted:

I didn't have the patience to wait.  I made my own.

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Old RS-27 with PS-1.   Upgraded with ERR Cruise Commander and Railsounds.   It had the red logo.  I didn't like it either.  Removed the red logo and put white logos in their place.  Weathered the crap out of it.  I found out, after I was finished, that 2406 had the black dip scheme with no lettering or side logos.  It would be easy to change the numbers and logos to create a custom scheme.  I don't think any two RS-27 had the same paint scheme.  Don't hold your breath waiting for MTH to re-release the PC scheme again.  If they did, it would be Railking Scale.

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I doubt that any of the manufacturers will ever produce a scale PC transfer caboose.  Too limited in the selection of road names.  If anybody does it will be MTH with various fantasy schemes.  I built a N9 transfer caboose using the chassis from a 40' PS-1 boxcar.  I figured that this is the only way I would ever see, or have one of these cars.  I would gladly take a production N9 or N11 model if they were made.

Tom

Tom, can you tell me where you found the 70's era barcode reader under the window?

Thanks very much.

Paul

Need to be more specific as to which style & scheme you are requesting. There are many.

I would like see MTH buy the all the Islandmodelworks items and modify them for 3r. They would be HUGH sellers!

LIRR, PATH, SIRT, SUBS...............................................................................................................................................................

Railrunnin posted:
Tom Densel posted:

I didn't have the patience to wait.  I made my own.

 

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I doubt that any of the manufacturers will ever produce a scale PC transfer caboose.  Too limited in the selection of road names.  If anybody does it will be MTH with various fantasy schemes.  I built a N9 transfer caboose using the chassis from a 40' PS-1 boxcar.  I figured that this is the only way I would ever see, or have one of these cars.  I would gladly take a production N9 or N11 model if they were made.

Tom

Tom, can you tell me where you found the 70's era barcode reader under the window?

Thanks very much.

Paul

The ACI plates are Microscale O scale decals 48-650.  The Lube plates are Microscale 48-5002.

Tom

Would like to see more of the later B&O paint scheme.  Being realistic to the fact that we haven't seen much new tooling from MTH in the last few years.  I would like to see the following B&O engines with tooling they already have, SD35's, GP38's and F3/F7's.  Also wouldn't mind seeing Atlas or Lionel doing a few SD40's

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In reading the thread so far, 3rd rail is offering Alco PAs in the demonstrator scheme and the demonstrator F7 will be shipping late August / early September.  3rd Rail also did the FP7 a while back in Southern, but was in the Tuxedo scheme.  A rerun of those with some new road names would be fun someday. 

Personally, I'd be happy with a truly accurate CNJ coach, baggage coach, RPO and open end observation.  Never been done in O scale before outside of some Walthers kits that are long out of production.  70' cars with AAR 4 wheel trucked cars are not common at all in model form, but were very common in service.

Then we could actually get the first scale Blue Comet set ever offered in O.

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Many of you know I'm no fan of 3-rail stuff, but I'd for sure buy an accurate model of this in 3-rail if it ever got released! This is a loco with a family history as it ran in my parent's hometown for several years and later, it's the first cab ride I ever got (at age 11). As it's a well-known excursion locomotive running today, I'm sure it'd sell well:

Better yet, also make a different version of the same loco as my parents knew it in the 50s and 60s (on the tender top was different). Everyone calls this loco "Southern 630" but I'll always know here as "ET&WNC 207":

falconservice posted:

The MTH Premier PS-1 50' box cars can be produced for the 1966 to 1972 ILLINOIS CENTRAL, with Youngstown door and Plug-doors. 

They have short ladders and no roofwalks. 

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Andrew

Yup, I think they could throw a large plug door on those. Even make it into a combo door car.

I believe that was the original MTH plan but haven't seen any variations yet. Don't think those sold well due to the high price which might have made them back off. Only the true O modelers acquired them.

There is a needed part for the Premier O scale auto carriers. It is not huge, but it would make a large difference for the application of railroad graphics.

The Premier corrugated siding auto carrier could have corrugated panels with no perforations like on actual auto carriers.

The panels can be sold seperately with railroad graphics or no graphics. 

Look at these panels for the BNSF, CSX, and Norfolk Southern.

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Lionel needs to correct a horrible wrong, a slight that only the divine can forgive!  Their great invention, the Command Control Industrial Relief Crane and accompanying Service Car, has been issued for roads from ATSF (2 paint schemes) to UP with many others in between, some of which never had such equipment but the pair has never been issued for Baltimore and Ohio.  And don't tell me that Chessie (B&O) and CSX count.  They don't.

X47

One of the few videos of cranes working at a wreck that I've been able to find on the internet is one of two B&O outfits cleaning up the results of an "undesired impact event" at Ravenna, OH - very cool:

https://youtu.be/0zP8qIZpUJs?t=263

Unless I'm mistaken, other notable omissions are CN, CNW, IC, GN, NP, CB&Q, MILW, N&W, and NS, all of which have large followings based on the number of locomotives produced for those lines.  I'm sure I've missed some pretty obvious lines, too.

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falconservice posted:

There is a needed part for the Premier O scale auto carriers. It is not huge, but it would make a large difference for the application of railroad graphics.

The Premier corrugated siding auto carrier could have corrugated panels with no perforations like on actual auto carriers.

The panels can be sold seperately with railroad graphics or no graphics. 

Look at these panels for the BNSF, CSX, and Norfolk Southern.

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Andrew

    Only one MTH style panel so far...........................................

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          Not many layouts can support these limited beasts.

 

 

 

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Milwaukee Road versions of the EMD GP38-2 by MTH.

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MTH has demonstrated a willingness to build road-specific models, as demonstrated by their recent Milwaukee Road GP30 complete with recycled ALCo trucks - I had to have one of each of the two road numbers offered.  They makes a terrific GP38-2 but to the best of my knowledge they've never made a Milwaukee Road version.

The MILW rostered sixteen units were delivered in two groups, the first order of six units without dynamic braking in 1973, and the second order of ten units with dynamic in 1974.  All were equipped with switch engine size fuel tanks to reduce unit weight for operation on poorly maintained branch lines.  Here is a great view of three "first order" units rolling across the now largely vacant RoW between Harlowton and Lewistown, Montana:

https://youtu.be/zD9TYI48T8w?t=103

K-line issued models in 2002, one with and one without dynamic but with what appear to be oversize fuel tanks:

http://www.legacykline.com/app...p_oem_sku=K2443-0350

 

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This is a good thread. Let me add to the demand for 60s-70s trucks.

I'd like a Railking scale C424/C425, and/or a U30B and a correct-nose GP18/GP20, but I won't hold my breath.

If we're trying to make something new out of existing tooling, how about 40 foot boxcars without roofwalks, and with cut-down ladders? IIRC they were removed from older cars after 1966. 

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MTH has consistently produced short line locomotives and rolling stock over the years .... for which many of us are grateful, I'm sure.  

I would like to see MTH produce some steam locomotives and passenger cars for the Chesapeake Beach Railroad which took beachgoers from Washington DC to Chesapeake Beach on the Chesapeake Bay in Calvert County, Md.  

It would be nice if MTH would produce some locomotives of the Washington Terminal Company which did all the switching at DC's Union Station.  WTC had a nice fleet of switchers both in steam and early diesel including Alco RS1s, end cab switchers, and GP7s.   Atlas O did a limited run of the WTC Alco RS1 number 46 about 10 years ago, however they are very rare.    I've never seen another manufacturer do any other WTC equipment.  They also had a big hook and boom car which would be nice to see in production. 

Interurbans ( or doodlebugs )  for the Washington Baltimore and Annapolis Railroad would be nice as well.  

 A Maryland and Pennsylvania doodlebug ( which the Ma & Pa did own ).

An MTH Patapsco and Back Rivers caboose to match their VO1000 locomotive. ( although I don't think the PBR ever really owned a caboose ) 

 

That's all I can think of for the moment.

 

 

 

 

What I need for my Premier O scale Grand Trunk Western GP9 diesel locomotive to pull are Grand Trunk Western 40' steel reefers or 40' REFRIGERATOR cars. They were in the series GTW 206400-206499. They were built in 1955 and painted with a Maple Leaf style scheme. After 1960 they were repainted in the modern GT logo scheme. 

There is a photo of one GTW 40' steel REFRIGERATOR car on the Railroad Fallen Flags website. 

 

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Andrew

 

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The Premier O scale 60' flat car has yet to be produced in the two SOO LINE paint schemes used on SOO LINE 5501 series 60' flat cars built in 1963. The Thrall Car built 1963 flat cars had the slogan CUSTOM EQUIPPED FOR CUSTOM SERVICE. They later had the slogan A SOO LINE Colormark CAR on the deep green panel. 

Here is a photo from the fallen flags website of the SOO LINE 60' flat car with the later Colormark slogan. 

SOO LINE 5507 Colormark 60' flat car.

 

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The Soo Line acquired GSC bulkhead flat cars that match the Premier flat cars with buikheads.

The SOO LINE Historical & Technical Society has published photos these flat cars right after they were built and painted in the SOO Magazine.  

The flat cars were white with green and black markings. The bulkheads were black with white lettering. 

This is a scheme that has not been produced yet. 

 

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harmonyards posted:

Hey SIRT, could I e-mail you or get up with you some kinda way? I would like to know if you may be interested in detailing up a pair of SD50's in premier line. The fella started to weather the trucks on both of these units and that's where he stopped. one is a NS, the other CSX. please forgive me, I'm not trying to hijack the thread........thanks...Pat

I didn't see an email in your profile. Everything is always 47.00 each, shoot me an email.

falconservice posted:

Here is SSW 70429 from railcarphotos.com. It has the heritage logo of COTTON BELT ROUTE applied by somebody working for the Union Pacific. That has not been made in O scale before. 

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Andrew

 

Imagine a short mixed train filled with these types of cars from various roads, pulled by a heritage unit. With new-ish equipment with road names not sued since long before they were built, it sure would be a confusing sight to anyone at a grade crossing who is familiar with the corporate mergers and takeovers!

PREMIER O scale Grand Trunk Western 50' AIRSLIDE hopper

GTW  316021-316027

CU FT 4180 

Built 3-78

There is a notice on the center panel that these Grand Trunk Western AIRSLIDE hopper have to be returned to the Milwaukee Road which became part of the SOO LINE - CP Rail system during 1985-1992 

RETURN TO AGENT

MILW  RD.  MNPS  MINN.

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Here is an example of box car very similar to the MTH PREMIER O scale double-door 50' box car. This UNION PACIFIC 50' box car has two plug doors intead of two Youngstown doors.

How hard can it be for the people at the MTH Premier plant in China to produce two new doors with metal hinges on the guides that allow the door to be pushed flush with the sides? 

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How about a reissue of their Madison 6 window RPOs, and in Pennsylvania colors for me.  Much better yet would be for them to finally change the mold a bit after 20 years with round windows and round roof.  If they would just add the round windows it could pass as a post war BM70k, but the addition of the round roof would make it close to a BM70m which was used into the 70s.  I'd buy a few to go with my 18" cars (I have GGD's scale BM70k to go with my scale cars).

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falconservice posted:

Here is an example of box car very similar to the MTH PREMIER O scale double-door 50' box car. This UNION PACIFIC 50' box car has two plug doors intead of two Youngstown doors.

How hard can it be for the people at the MTH Premier plant in China to produce two new doors with metal hinges on the guides that allow the door to be pushed flush with the sides? 

 

Andrew

                       The double MTH plug doors do close FLUSH as on these.  

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The Union Pacific 50' double-door box car has offset doors and the door designs are different. Notice that there is a grain door on the top of the right plug-door. 

The Norfolk and Western had similar offset placed doors. They were built by Pullman-Standard and American Car & Foundry.

These are not identical to the center door Evans Products box cars. 

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Great Northern had 60' Insulated Cars similar to the Premier 60' Reefer Cars. The reporting marks were changed to RBBN by someone at the Burlington Northern. Some were repainted for the Burlington Northern. 

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Please put these 1967 to 1977 Great Northern and Burlington Northern paint schemes on the Premier 60' Reefer car.

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MTH keeps producing ore cars every single year. They have made them in many railroads that did not have ore cars. 

Four railroads that did have ore cars are

Duluth, Winnipeg & Pacific DWP

Elgin, Joliet & Eastern EJ&E second-hand from CN or DM&IR

Escanaba & Lake Superior

Lake Superior & Ishpeming.

You can put the more colorful Diesel Locomotive paint schemes on the ore cars if that will make them more attractive to operators and collectors.

Andrew

@SIRT posted:

Thanks Dave.

With the latest situation, this old thread is now a bit outdated. Only a few items were produced during it.

Perhaps when we know more about any new suppliers and DCS, we could try it again.

 

Steve, your work is amazing. 

We all understand the costs of new tooling, yet why the manufacturers have not decorated engines and cars in other paint schemes is baffling. Especially when they have the correct tool. We all await that information on MTH.

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