@SWM Trains posted:Great work!
Can I ask what type of extruded aluminum shelving you chose?
Steve
Glen Snyder Display Systems......I believe their website is
gsds.com
Peter
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@SWM Trains posted:Great work!
Can I ask what type of extruded aluminum shelving you chose?
Steve
Glen Snyder Display Systems......I believe their website is
gsds.com
Peter
@Rich Wiemann posted:Peter the shelves will look great when the are holding all of your trains. I’m wondering if you have a display plan in your mind as you place them on display? Or as they come out they will go up? Just curious since my limited display walls are only segregated by prewar on one and postwar/MPC on another. Enjoy your next few days on your display journey.
Sort of......basically, winging it.....I suspect I'll re-arrange when I'm done
Passenger trains on one wall.
Engines grouped together in a few areas.
Favorite PostWar and MPC/modern cars/sets store of together.
Peter
More trains unboxed and set up on shelves......I suspect I'll re-arrange before I'm done....
Stay tuned for the next installment.......this has been a blast!
It is so much fun to take these beauties out and think about where to put them......in the case of the Bradleys .....they were my Christmas present from 2020 and have never been out of their boxes before......
Peter
Peter,
This looks like it's so much fun. It's really giving the room its name.
Dave
Those shelves look fantastic! My advice is to get a maid and make sure she has insurance.
@Mark Holmgren 110217 posted:Those shelves look fantastic! My advice is to get a maid and make sure she has insurance.
I'm planning on dusting the shelves at least twice a month......
Peter
One thing I didn't consider but I bet you have is how much are you going to pop onto shelves before the layout is built? I would not think to over populate the shelves if you are going to be swinging layout bits about. How is this going to play out Peter?
Peter, this is an amazing train room, the shelves are so neatly placed, your trains will be the main characters, and it’s a Wow. Thank you for the updates, I’m sure that you are having fun, we are to. Happy Railroading Everyone
@Putnam Division posted:I'm planning on dusting the shelves at least twice a month......
Peter
Good plan!
@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:One thing I didn't consider but I bet you have is how much are you going to pop onto shelves before the layout is built? I would not think to over populate the shelves if you are going to be swinging layout bits about. How is this going to play out Peter?
Dave....I already know that I can fill all the shelves, probably twice over. I'm also using this as a time to thin out my collection and update my excel spreadsheet. I'm going to be selling stuff off that that I will not be using.....
In addition, I'm not putting my coal drag cars or juice train cars out....they'll be in ready boxes in the storeroom. I'm also going to thin out my PostWar sets by at least a 1/3.
It's time.....
Peter
@Putnam Division posted:Dave....I already know that I can fill all the shelves, probably twice over. I'm also using this as a time to thin out my collection and update my excel spreadsheet. I'm going to be selling stuff off that that I will not be using.....
In addition, I'm not putting my coal drag cars or juice train cars out....they'll be in ready boxes in the storeroom. I'm also going to thin out my PostWar sets by at least a 1/3.
It's time.....
Peter
Just make sure you don't bonk anything when doing layout work. I'm sure you will be fine though. I know if it was me, you would be hearing stuff fall all over the place.
you folks with open shelves like this clearly don't live in earthquake country... But it does look great. I envy the room - both on the shelves and what appears to be a large room for a layout.
@Putnam Division posted:
Now that is some shelf space! Awesome!
Making progress......boy, this is fun!!!!
....and I'm deciding on what to keep and what to sell.......
Peter
You got some really awesome options here Good luck deciding haha
Peter,
To be totally honest, all I can say is that I'm jealous of all that shelf space. To make me feel better, you could at least buy me a beer at York from all the money you make selling trains.
Erol
What a great looking room--nice!
Just amazing what one can do with money and space. Looking good.
Peter, where is the New York Central only wall? I see a mix of road names. Hmm, guess it is one of those big mix railroads you've got going there, eh? Well, we're all like that. Our main railroad is not our only railroad. It good to have some competition, lol.
Starting to enviously eye your amazing New Haven collection!!! Should be fun when you get all the shelves filled and then you start saying - well... maybe that would look better over there
Peter,
Looking real good. If you ever decide to get rid of one of those PC RS11's...hint hint.
Dave
Congratulations, Look at all you have accomplished in one year!
WOW Peter, you're moving right along! Looking great. I would have to say you have more $$ in shelves then I do in trains! LOL
Well, in less than a week, I went from empty to nearly full. It's still a little chaotic, but that will improve with time to sort things out......
Some of my unit trains, like my coal train, my Juice train will be stored in "ready boxes" to take out and put away quickly......
Now, I am working to thin down the herd. The big pile is the stuff that I think I will sell.
The pile to be sold......I have to go through it to be sure......
You can see into the storage room here.....
I think doing this and getting organized before the layout is being built is a fortuitous....
Have a great and safe weekend......and a thank you to all who have been following me on this journey....
Peter
You have an amazing collection Peter. I'm with you on doing this part first but now to look at all of the trains on the wall and not have anyplace to run them (besides the RC3R) would drive me nuts.
Out of all of it, I think the Green NYC E8 (?) set looks the best.
Bob
Nice work PETER!!👍👍. Make sure you leave some room for new purchases.😉
@laz1957 posted:Nice work PETER!!👍👍. Make sure you leave some room for new purchases.😉
I see a few empty holes. He should be fine for a week or so.
Peter, This all looks so cool. What a beautiful train room!
Good idea on thinning the herd. Take advantage of having everything set out for viewing and consideration. This is the time to do it because if you put it all back in storage that's where it will remain.
@MartyE posted:I see a few empty holes. He should be fine for a week or so.
Still got stuff to go through......it's like Santa keeps coming.....
Peter
@Putnam Division posted:Still got stuff to go through......it's like Santa keeps coming.....
Peter
How many times have you said, "I didn't know I had this."?
@MartyE posted:How many times have you said, "I didn't know I had this."?
Too many......other comments include: why do I have two of these?
Peter
Someone may have alluded to this before, but how will you keep the trains on the shelves from collecting sawdust or getting accidentally whacked by a 2 X 4 once layout construction begins ?
Getting all the trains out and inventorying them to see what you want to pass on to others is a good idea, Peter! The walls look very impressive now.
Richie does have a point about sawdust, etc. I kept my few trains in another while doing the heavy construction, but in an 11x11 room I couldn't do it any other way. If I recall correctly, you have a good bit of room to maneuver between your shelves and planned layout. Dust would still filter over, unless you had someone using a shop-vac to pick up everything as it is being cut. Or....do you have a special sawing room, that will be sealed off from the layout room? I know you thought of everything!!!
Looking fantastic Peter. I am envious!
Dang, I remember seeing what you had on your shelves on your old layout and thinking that was alot....
Peter,
this looks great. Good idea to sort out what you want to keep before you go forward. It will make decisions simpler down the road.
I see your childhood New Haven set took it's high honors place. Nice!
Peter is using Mianne bench work so that will limit the amount of cutting in the train room.
@Richie C. posted:Someone may have alluded to this before, but how will you keep the trains on the shelves from collecting sawdust or getting accidentally whacked by a 2 X 4 once layout construction begins ?
Mianne Benchwork for the layout frame......
We'll just be careful when we cut the plywood sheets.....most will have minimal cuts.
Peter
@Mark Boyce posted:Getting all the trains out and inventorying them to see what you want to pass on to others is a good idea, Peter! The walls look very impressive now.
Richie does have a point about sawdust, etc. I kept my few trains in another while doing the heavy construction, but in an 11x11 room I couldn't do it any other way. If I recall correctly, you have a good bit of room to maneuver between your shelves and planned layout. Dust would still filter over, unless you had someone using a shop-vac to pick up everything as it is being cut. Or....do you have a special sawing room, that will be sealed off from the layout room? I know you thought of everything!!!
Mianne Benchwork.
We'll just be careful when we cut the plywood sheets.....most will have minimal cuts.
Peter
@laz1957 posted:Nice work PETER!!👍👍. Make sure you leave some room for new purchases.😉
Hmmmm.....I think I'm getting close to the "buy one/sell one" stage of my career.....time will tell.....
......maybe "buy two/sell one"......I need to get control of the inventory....
Peter
A mind boggling array of shelving and trains Peter, looking good! I wish I had space for that much shelving, I might be able to figure out where all the stuff under the layout is buried!
Love the shelving, looks great and very functional. I do wonder who has the pleasure of dusting...
@Putnam Division posted:Still got stuff to go through......it's like Santa keeps coming.....
Peter
Peter how I know that feeling I have unpacked stuff for the first time that I bought 15 years ago and forgot I had. I just finished another room in my basement that gave me more room to put up more shelves and unpack more stuff. But unlike you I don’t plan on parting with any yet! You are doing a fabulous job and the displays are looking fantastic. Keep up the great work and progress.
Peter, I forgot about Mianne! You have it all under control!
@Mill City posted:Love the shelving, looks great and very functional. I do wonder who has the pleasure of dusting...
Me!
Peter
I think it looks great! And if you're worried about dust during construction it's very easy to velcro plastic sheets to the walls to cover the trains.
-Greg
@Putnam Division posted:Me!
Peter
Hahaha...of course, you do. If nothing else, the task will allow the opportunity to survey your treasure. Your new train room is an exciting journey, can hardly wait to see where it leads to next.
@Mill City posted:Love the shelving, looks great and very functional. I do wonder who has the pleasure of dusting...
Peter I have found away to keep the dust to a minimum I have two very large air filtering machines with HEPA filters that run 24/7 in my basement/train room/man cave and they do a great job of keeping the dust down. Still dust but not near that often.
Peter, your train room and shelves are beautiful, but I'm curious to know what you and others think of having railroad backdrops.
I'm a big fan of around the walls layouts with railroad backdrops. IMO, the backdrops enhance the scenery, especially if they blend in nicely with the scenery, thereby enhancing photos and videos of the layout.
Here is an example of a photo of my layout with a homemade backdrop in the background:
The above photo or a similar one appeared in the Photo Albums section of CTT magazine about 2 years ago.
I believe it may be possible to have both: shelves and backdrops, with the backdrops a foot or two away from the walls.
What do you folks think?
Peter - excellent work in utilizing available wall space!
Peter, You are better stocked than any O gauge train store.
Nice work there Arnold, I totally agree. One of my favorite benchwork jobs used this around the wall mural from Backdrop Warehouse:
This was a N&W logging branch line.
The Virginia Creeper along the Abingdon VA line. The 40" high bench work with a 36" tall mural and coved corners brings you totally unto the setting when you are standing in the aisle walking your train from town to town. Very immersing.
Always try to get the backdrop installed before the bench work. Otherwise it is a back breaking job.
@RJT posted:Peter I have found away to keep the dust to a minimum I have two very large air filtering machines with HEPA filters that run 24/7 in my basement/train room/man cave and they do a great job of keeping the dust down. Still dust but not near that often.
What make and model might they be?
@gunrunnerjohn posted:What make and model might they be?
John: Mine are Bluraire 503. We bought them for the old house to keep down the dust from 2 pellet stoves and worked ok there but here only dusted a couple of times in 4 years.
Peter things are looking fantastic! Congratulations on all of the progress.
The backdrop turned out really well. Tomorrow it is going to need a foot of snow.
Rick, what size area do they keep clean?
Pete, WOW everything is looking absolutely beautiful !!!!
Alex
@Tom Tee posted:Rick, what size area do they keep clean?
I run two of them in area bout 1800 square feet. Now I do get dust just not as much. I dust a couple times a year but not every month or every two months maybe one every six months.
Train shelving looks great Peter. An awesome display of your trains.
@Arnold D. Cribari posted:Peter, your train room and shelves are beautiful, but I'm curious to know what you and others think of having railroad backdrops.
I'm a big fan of around the walls layouts with railroad backdrops. IMO, the backdrops enhance the scenery, especially if they blend in nicely with the scenery, thereby enhancing photos and videos of the layout.
Here is an example of a photo of my layout with a homemade backdrop in the background:
The above photo or a similar one appeared in the Photo Albums section of CTT magazine about 2 years ago.
I believe it may be possible to have both: shelves and backdrops, with the backdrops a foot or two away from the walls.
What do you folks think?
Arnold......I love backdrops.....but I wanted the trains out more......if they are out, they will be run.....if they are packed away and a headache to take out, they'll stay packed up.
From the OGR article that I co-authored in Run 320; the area, with and without backdrops:
It's all about your goals.......and mine is to have the trains out......ready and available.....on the layout, I will use large structures as "backdrops in place" and scenic blocks.....
Peter
Peter, your goals make sense when you have such a nice collection of trains you want out to see and to be able to move to and from the layout. The scenic blocks worked great on those later photographs.
I’ve been following your impressive and most inspiring progress since 2019. I am curious though. How has the downstairs rebuild of the dining area turned out? Surely your bride is delighted to have that space back.
@WRW posted:I’ve been following your impressive and most inspiring progress since 2019. I am curious though. How has the downstairs rebuild of the dining area turned out? Surely your bride is delighted to have that space back.
The overhaul of the vacated basement is part of the overall " 20+ yr old house refresh" plan.
I still have a lot of stuff down here and once the layout building is started, most of this stuff will disappear.
The basement is divided by a stairwell.
The plan is for new flooring and cabinets...... a floor to ceiling library wall with rolling ladder for my books.....wall mounting the TV.....a new couch and easy chairs.....and, a wet bar where the small bookcase and mirror are currently located (it's already plumbed). Whether the old dining room set stays or goes to auction is still up for grabs.....
I may bring my railroad history books back down here and just keep the model railroading books in the attic......
I suspect Fall of this year is when construction starts. We're in no rush.......maybe early 2023.....
Peter
Update on the timeline.....
1. I will know this week when the Mianne Benchwork will be arriving......likely by the end of the month.
2. I acquired a layout-essential supply....pigtails for wiring.
I will put an update this week after I talk with Tim. I have used the time to arrange the storeroom. I have also dropped two Pilot/SUV-sized loads of trains to Cabin Fever in PA. I have worked on my inventory list.
I have taken the delay in stride.....everything that I'm doing in the layout room is probably easier done without the chaos of a layout build going on......However, the gang in Midlothian (Richmond) are getting excited to help me put the benchwork up. It was March/April of 2011 when the modular group gang helped me put together the Mianne Benchwork for my 6x16 layout.....and they are looking forward to a rematch!
Peter
Peter, It is great you have a good group of friends to help you. You know you are a good friend to them!
BIG NEWS........Got off the phone with Tim of Mianne.....my Benchwork ships tomorrow!
Latest plan:
Peter
Congrats Peter. Exciting news.
I like the plan too. Nice mix of running and switching.
Bob
Congratulations Peter on the start of your new layoutbuild. Dinner at the Olive Garden in 10 days. Will buy you a beer of your choice at York.
Erol
Congratulations, Peter! When you get back from York, I'll be looking forward to seeing the benchwork going up!
Congrats, Peter… great news. Now you face a major quandary… as of this post, there are 8d. 14h. 59m. until spring York. If your benchwork arrives before you leave, do you start assembling the new layout???
P.S. is that a transfer table on your plan??? Lionel???
Peter,
Great track plan! Whose track are you going to use?
Let the good times roll...
Dave
@Apples55 posted:Congrats, Peter… great news. Now you face a major quandary… as of this post, there are 8d. 14h. 59m. until spring York. If your benchwork arrives before you leave, do you start assembling the new layout???
P.S. is that a transfer table on your plan??? Lionel???
Paul......that is the circa 2000-05 PostWar Lionel 350 remake and the remake extension. They were on the old layout and worked flawlessly. However, I've done well selling trains I no longer run and am considering a Ross 27" five stop transfer table.
Here is a picture from the old layout.....
Peter.
@BradFish1 posted:Peter,
Great track plan! Whose track are you going to use?
Brad.....I'm using Ross...........the former layout main level was all Atlas......and, I loved it.......However, I'm not a fan of their switch machines and all mine were eventually replaced by D1000s. When you add supply chain issues and price, it was no question that Ross was the way to go for something this size......
@locolawyer posted:Congratulations Peter on the start of your new layoutbuild. Dinner at the Olive Garden in 10 days. Will buy you a beer of your choice at York.
Erol
Erol.......looking forward to seeing everyone!
Peter
Peter
Congrat's ! Track plan looks great, looking forward to seeing the benchwork!
Alex
@Putnam Division posted:Erol.......looking forward to seeing everyone!
Peter
I wish I could go to York and see everyone! Have an extra stack of Round the Clock Diner pancakes for me, Peter!
@Putnam Division posted:BIG NEWS........Got off the phone with Tim of Mianne.....my Benchwork ships tomorrow!
Cool, you'll be building in no time!
Plans looks phenomenal Peter. Sorry I haven't put my eyes to much on the forum lately, been busy and usually get to about a small percentage of the topics that I get notifications to. Make sure you have a beer for me at York, maybe some dessert too.
Hi Peter, I see that I have a bit of catching up to do, since I just discovered this thread. Many congrats on your retirement and amazing progress to re-imagine your layout and new space. About the only way to describe the new layout space is to quote Ned Beatty in "Rudy" when he entered Notre Dame Stadium "This is the most beautiful sight these eyes have ever seen". LOL Congrats again on building an O gauge Field of Dreams.
Looks like a great plan!!! See you at York.
Mianne Benchwork has arrived (an addition to the pieces I already had from the old layout). It made its way to the attic and some preliminary work has been done.....
Post-York, I will be get modular group members together for a build session.....
4 boxes.....the small box has the motor for the lift bridge......
Lift bridge supports.....
.....more lift bridge components.....
....and so, I can really get started, soon!
Peter
Now you’re talking! Will it be assembled before you go to York?? 😄
@Mark Boyce posted:Now you’re talking! Will it be assembled before you go to York?? 😄
Maybe a vertical support or two........but it will wait till a post-York building party!
I need nine (yes, 9, yikes!) 4x8 sheets of 1/2" plywood after that.....I'm hiring young guys to carry those up the stairs.....
Peter
@Putnam Division posted:Maybe a vertical support or two........but it will wait till a post-York building party!
I need nine (yes, 9, yikes!) 4x8 sheets of 1/2" plywood after that.....I'm hiring young guys to carry those up the stairs.....
Peter
Yes indeed you need young guys to haul that plywood upstairs!!
Have a great time at York!! I will certainly miss seeing so many great folks like you! I think that is the best part of York or any other meet or show; seeing great friends!
@Putnam Division posted:Maybe a vertical support or two........but it will wait till a post-York building party!
I need nine (yes, 9, yikes!) 4x8 sheets of 1/2" plywood after that.....I'm hiring young guys to carry those up the stairs.....
Peter
Come on Peter.......that's a good workout.
@NJCJOE posted:Come on Peter.......that's a good workout.
I am 6 weeks short of 69, and, I wish I could still do it!
Peter
@Putnam Division posted:I am 6 weeks short of 69, and, I wish I could still do it!
Peter
That's why I was so glad our new club was able to recruit a bunch of young guys this winter. They took care of moving our modules up a flight of stairs that has a 90 degree bend in the middle plus a 90 degree bend at both the top and bottom. At Christmas we had 4 retired guys including me and 2 guys in their 50s.
I should add they young guys brought in a lot of enthusiasm, new ideas, and the determination that we could accomplish more than we old guys thought we could.
NJCJOE that was a good gag, though!
Putnam Division, Peter, your new layout is so inspiring, from the remodeling of your New train room, from floor to ceiling, new shelving for your amazing train collection, to the real layout plan, and now the beginning of your Dream Layout, after a fun trip to York, it’s Awesome. Keep the pictures flowing as we learn from your organized workmanship. Have fun at York, I wish I could attend, maybe in October, just keep showing us your progress. You have it going on, Wow. Happy Railroading Everyone
@Putnam Division posted:
You could use the truck crane again to move the plywood??
An observation:
I love going upstairs to the layout room and it all smells like a lumberyard from the assembled Mianne benchwork. It is cathartic to me.
The Mianne Lift Gate is going to take a group effort......before that happens, I'm getting as much of the easy stuff done as I can.....
.......and this is where I stop.......I'll still try to get as much as the basic benchwork done......but, I'm not touching the Lift Gate without the expertise of my trainfriends.....
Peter
Looks great!
Happy days Peter. 👍👍
@RSJB18 posted:Happy days Peter. 👍👍
What he said! I built mine from scratch; I think I enjoyed the building more than running trains.
Looks great, Peter. Love Mianne's products.
Peter-
What material are you going to use for the benchtop base?
Boy, Peter you've made great progress. Anyone in the build crew have experience with the lift gate?
Peter:
You and your knees are going to love the liftgate!
Great fun watching your layout progress.
Stan
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