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Not much happening since the last update........final sign off occurs after the windows are finished and painted, the walls are touched up and a terminal cleaning is done.

No worries though, the additional Mianne Benchwork is on order and the likely arrival is sometime after Labor Day.

I finally settled on a plan and this is it.....the Mianne Benchwork allows for some overhand and I expect it to be about an inch and a half all the way around.

The lift section will be in the middle in the area marked b, c, d, with the open area above it.

Ignore the sidings on the bottom outside the main layout proper for now....they are alternatives to what is already on the plan.....

There is a minimum of 3-4 feet all the way around the layout.

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The wall on the right (the east wall) is wired for a flat screen TV which my kids gave me for Father's day....

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A big plus.....when the house was built, the whole house vacuum was extended to the attic.....I just had it  serviced and there are two accessible ports in the layout room.....

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This is the storage room where are the train boxes will be stored.....

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Once the touch up paint is finished and the place cleaned, the next step is to empty the storage units into the storage room.......then we'll be ready for the Benchwork!

The track order will probably be for York pick up.

One of these days I'll ask Tom (Gilly@N&W) to help me estimate how many Glen Snyder shelves I will need (also, for York pick up)

I suspect the next big update will be after the trains are moved in.

Have a great summer everyone......

Peter

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Peter, John has an excellent point!  I too would be happy with the storage room for my layout!  You and your wife have worked really hard all these years bettering countless patients’ quality of life and even length of life.  You really deserve a fantastic space for a layout!  It sounds like you will need a big vehicle to haul the track and shelving back home from York!  😄

That is certainly a magnificent space for the layout, I think I'd be happy to build my layout in your storage room!

One comment, maybe consider more yard space?  I know I wish I had planned for more.

I hear you, John.....I will. In addition, I will also have floor to ceiling Glen Snyder shelving (somewhere between 90-100 6ft sections) as ready tracks.

My goal is to have everything out and available to run.

Peter

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I hear you, John.....I will. In addition, I will also have floor to ceiling Glen Snyder shelving (somewhere between 90-100 6ft sections as ready tracks.

My goal is to have everything out and available to run.

Peter

Ditto for me.  I have around 140 feet of Glenn Snyder shelves now, and I'm prepping an 18 foot wall that will be floor to ceiling shelves, looking like 45 six foot sections.  I will probably also put some more over my under construction freight yard as well, that would be another 14 six foot sections.

I'm really looking forward to having stuff out where I can see and enjoy it, and also run it.

As expected, a very quiet summer as far as the new layout is concerned.  I await the materials.....and, the River City 3 Railer's current revision/refreshment projects on the 21x42 modular layout are keeping me very busy.....

Monday, Sept 20th, the storage units get emptied.

Sometime after Labor Day, my Mianne order will be ready and then shipped......it can come whenever, since I'm in  no rush......this is a once in a lifetime project for me......

Track plan set....ordering track and Glen Snyder shelving, soon....

I have moved my "train library and videos" to the attic shelving......and, my current stock of Mianne benchwork has been carried to the attic.....

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....i suspect that many of these books and videos are familiar to the group......

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Have a safe and great rest of the summer, folks......

York or Bust, October 20201.......

Peter

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The trains came home today......I had the storage units emptied.....3 poor fellows had to do it.....but I tipped them well and they were very happy....

Loading at the storage facility:

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The two 10x10 units are now empty......

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Going home with views from the attic:

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The stuff on the far end belongs to my kids.....

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A few views "from the attic window" are provided to track progress......

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A major step in the new layout has occurred........and, at the very least, my trains are now available for our upcoming holiday displays!

Peter

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.......ah! Finally located some Rustoleun gray stone spray paint.........none local for months, but an excellent deal on Amazon....

Today was bright, sunny and warmer than earlier this week......the ceremonial 1st spraying.....

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....it's going to be a slow process  because, now, it's train display season.....and, the modular group is booked the next 9 weeks/weekends....but, it's a start!

Peter

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.......ah! Finally located some Rustoleun gray stone spray paint.........none local for months, but an excellent deal on Amazon....

Today was bright, sunny and warmer than earlier this week......the ceremonial 1st spraying.....

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....it's going to be a slow process  because, now, it's train display season.....and, the modular group is booked the next 9 weeks/weekends....but, it's a start!

Peter

Ah, the advice you gave me some time ago in action. Gotta love that. Looking great Peter.

.......ah! Finally located some Rustoleun gray stone spray paint.........none local for months, but an excellent deal on Amazon....

Today was bright, sunny and warmer than earlier this week......the ceremonial 1st spraying.....

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....it's going to be a slow process  because, now, it's train display season.....and, the modular group is booked the next 9 weeks/weekends....but, it's a start!

Peter

Peter, we learned this one the hard way....

Spray the ross bed with plain grey primer before you spray it with stone paint.

That foam is very porous and you'll spray it with the stone paint, think you got it all and once it dries its full of white spots.  You'll get a lot more mileage out of the expensive stone paint if you paint the foam grey first.  

Also, if you paint the stone finish on real thick, its harder to fit the track into the roadbed (its a snug fit to begin with).  We've painted tons of that stuff.  Primer first is the way to go.

Peter, we learned this one the hard way....

Spray the ross bed with plain grey primer before you spray it with stone paint.

That foam is very porous and you'll spray it with the stone paint, think you got it all and once it dries its full of white spots.  You'll get a lot more mileage out of the expensive stone paint if you paint the foam grey first.  

Also, if you paint the stone finish on real thick, its harder to fit the track into the roadbed (its a snug fit to begin with).  We've painted tons of that stuff.  Primer first is the way to go.

Thank you.........the gray primer is a great idea.........I agree....sometimes I have to use my rubber mallet when it hardens....

Peter

Peter, we learned this one the hard way....

Spray the ross bed with plain grey primer before you spray it with stone paint.

That foam is very porous and you'll spray it with the stone paint, think you got it all and once it dries its full of white spots.  You'll get a lot more mileage out of the expensive stone paint if you paint the foam grey first.  

Also, if you paint the stone finish on real thick, its harder to fit the track into the roadbed (its a snug fit to begin with).  We've painted tons of that stuff.  Primer first is the way to go.

Thank you.........the gray primer is a great idea.........I agree....sometimes I have to use my rubber mallet when it hardens....

Peter

I decide to check my supply closet before I went to Home Depot or Lowes.......look what I found!

Usually what I do is go out and buy some and then find out that I already had some in the garage......I suspect that this is common amongst us......

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Justin.....thank you for the idea.......it will cut down on the about of stone paint need and I suspect I won't need to use the rubber mallet as much.......this is why this Forum is such an asset.....I didn't realize that stone spray is wasted on areas that are covered by track anyway...

Here goes......

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Peter

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Peter, about looking in your supply closet before going out to buy, smart move. My maternal grandfather was notorious for looking for tools, nails, screws or anything under the sun but not finding what he needed. So, a trip to the hardware store he come back with a bag of what he needed, only to find more of what he bought some time ago. I can remember my uncle looking for something a number of times just like his father, stumbling upon a tool that was needed the time before. After we moved my grandfather and his stuff, there was countless amounts of nails, screws, nuts, bolts and any other thing you couldn't even possibly think of. I don't know how many times I've ventured out to the shed and found something I could use for a project within a couple of minutes. Unfortunately there is a good number of things that will never be used just because there is no practical application I'd need them for.

Progress continues.....the word from Tim of Mianne is that the additional benchwork hardware in a few weeks.

Glenn Snyder shelving to go up after the 1st of the year.

....and even though it is 28 degrees outside, preparation of the RossBed continues (I am a little intense)....drying occurs in the garage where it is 60ish degrees....

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Grand dog Rufus is helping, too.......

Merry Christmas  and Happy Holidays to all!

Peter

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WOW! 73 six foot Glen Snyder shelves are now up in the new train room......Tom (Gilly@N&W) did a masterful job!

Here are the pics of the completed shelving..........

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Look at how beautiful the corner came.....the attention to detail with the hip roof!!!!!!

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36" shelves....perfect for large steamers and two unit diesels......

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Looking forward to taking out the trains this week!

Peter

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WOW! 73 six foot Glen Snyder shelves are now up in the new train room......Tom (Gilly@N&W) did a masterful job!

Here are the pics of the completed shelving..........

36" shelves....perfect for large steamers and two unit diesels......

Looking forward to taking out the trains this week!

Peter

Looks like a great train room Peter!

Please post pictures when you get all of the trains up on the shelves, so I can show my wife that I'm not so bad !!

Pictures do not do that train room justice. It is well on the way to being a magnificant layout. It was my sincere pleasure to spend a few days with my dear friend putting up these shelves. We had some learnings along the way. Well before the end, we had worked out a process for getting these on the wall!

Like you, I can't wait to see these shelves filled with trains! While Peter didn't mention it, we used every piece he had. Scrap is religated to gondola loads. We ran short by 1/4" on one section. Good luck finding it.....

Gilly

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Peter, now the real question is do you have too much shelf space, or not enough engines and rolling stock to fill them? That is of course a silly question because everyone knows that there is usually something on the layout, the shelves are just for what is not on the layout.

That being said, did you buy enough space to house quite a bit with room to pop more stuff on there, or just enough to alternate stuff out?

A first-class job by Tom, and now you have a whole lot of beautiful shelving to display a whole lot of treasured trains. You two guys obviously work very well together.

A selfie of both of us while nearing completion.......

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....and a reminder.....wear your safety glasses like we are.......when you are generating "little pieces" of stuff!

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Let's look at the space.....the attic is approximately 30x40 at the 5' knee wall.5EB475F2-D8C2-4E58-8DA3-44A71BEFB9FD



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This project has also showed me how "healthy" model railroading is as a hobby......since I retired, I am doing over 20K steps a day.......90% of them in the house, going up and down the stairs, carrying loads......

Peter

Don't forget all of the Model Railroad Yoga you will be doing, spending endless hours crawling under your new train tables, contorting your body while wiring your new layout. I believe if you doing this and keep yourself well hydrated, you will enhance your physical well being. Being a physician, you know this better than anyone.

Your mental and emotional well being will also be enhanced by all of the puzzles that you will solve by building and operating the large, complex layout you are contemplating, and the exhilaration you will experience embarking on this most creative endeavor.

Wishing you all the best, Peter. Arnold

A selfie of both of us while nearing completion.......

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....and a reminder.....wear your safety glasses like we are.......when you are generating "little pieces" of stuff!

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Yeah, always wear something, and most important, cut away from yourself whenever possible. I gave myself a nice cut in my finger when I built my Christmas tree layout. After so many years of the company I used to work for preaching safety, I became the statistic for getting hurt at home. Just a jab, but still a pain. Good work Gilly & Peter.

Don't forget all of the Model Railroad Yoga you will be doing, spending endless hours crawling under your new train tables, contorting your body while wiring your new layout. I believe if you doing this and keep yourself well hydrated, you will enhance your physical well being. Being a physician, you know this better than anyone.

Your mental and emotional well being will also be enhanced by all of the puzzles that you will solve by building and operating the large, complex layout you are contemplating, and the exhilaration you will experience embarking on this most creative endeavor.

Wishing you all the best, Peter. Arnold

Arnold, you have such a way with words!  Of course your line of work deals with words, so you should be a pro!  Model Railroad Yoga!  I love it! 

As to the organic chemistry, I was able to skip chemistry all together and use a meteorology course as my last science.  We had a prof who grew up in Italy and had lots of fun with his pronunciations.  He was great!  Most of my courses were electronics as I've mentioned before.  I found it boring, but my mum couldn't stand for students quitting or changing majors; even though I was paying every cent of my education.

Peter, you and Tom are like a well oiled machine now!  What was Tom's line of work?  It had to be something that required precision.

First car displayed:

Custom painted Atlas 50' box car by Christine Braden

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1st passenger set displayed.......my 20th Century Ltd set from 1983.......

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1st PostWar set display......a New Haven set from 1962 which I acquired maybe 10 years ago.....

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Stay tuned! Next installment comes tomorrow!

Peter

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First car displayed:

Custom painted Atlas 50' box car by Christine Braden

1st passenger set displayed.......my 20th Century Ltd set from 1983.......

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1st PostWar set display......a New Haven set from 1962 which I acquired maybe 10 years ago.....

Stay tuned! Next installment comes tomorrow!

Peter

Queue the regular discussion... what do you plan to do with all the boxes, Peter???

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Peter the shelves will look great when the are holding all of your trains. I’m wondering if you have a display plan in your mind as you place them on display? Or as they come out they will go up? Just curious since my limited display walls are only segregated by prewar on one and postwar/MPC on another. Enjoy your next few days on your display journey.  

Peter the shelves will look great when the are holding all of your trains. I’m wondering if you have a display plan in your mind as you place them on display? Or as they come out they will go up? Just curious since my limited display walls are only segregated by prewar on one and postwar/MPC on another. Enjoy your next few days on your display journey.  

Sort of......basically, winging it.....I suspect I'll re-arrange when I'm done

Passenger trains on one wall.

Engines grouped together in a few areas.

Favorite PostWar and MPC/modern cars/sets  store of together.

Peter

More trains unboxed and set up on shelves......I suspect I'll re-arrange before I'm done....

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Stay tuned for the next installment.......this has been a blast!

It is so much fun to take these beauties out and think about where to put them......in the case of the Bradleys .....they were my Christmas present from 2020 and have never been out of their boxes before......

Peter

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One thing I didn't consider but I bet you have is how much are you going to pop onto shelves before the layout is built? I would not think to over populate the shelves if you are going to be swinging layout bits about. How is this going to play out Peter?

Dave....I already know that I can fill all the shelves, probably twice over.  I'm also using this as a time to thin out my collection and update my excel spreadsheet. I'm going to be selling stuff off that that I will not be using.....

In addition, I'm not putting my coal drag cars or juice train cars out....they'll be in ready boxes in the storeroom. I'm also going to thin out my PostWar sets by at least a 1/3.

It's time.....

Peter

Dave....I already know that I can fill all the shelves, probably twice over.  I'm also using this as a time to thin out my collection and update my excel spreadsheet. I'm going to be selling stuff off that that I will not be using.....

In addition, I'm not putting my coal drag cars or juice train cars out....they'll be in ready boxes in the storeroom. I'm also going to thin out my PostWar sets by at least a 1/3.

It's time.....

Peter

Just make sure you don't bonk anything when doing layout work. I'm sure you will be fine though. I know if it was me, you would be hearing stuff fall all over the place.

Well, in less than a week, I went from empty to nearly full. It's still a little chaotic, but that will improve with time to sort things out......

Some of my unit trains, like my coal train, my Juice train will be stored in "ready boxes" to take out and put away quickly......

Now, I am working to thin down the herd. The big pile is the stuff that I think I will sell.

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The pile to be sold......I have to go through it to be sure......

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You can see into the storage room here.....

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I think doing this and getting organized before the layout is being built is a fortuitous....

Have a great and safe weekend......and a thank you to all who have been following me on this journey....

Peter

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Getting all the trains out and inventorying them to see what you want to pass on to others is a good idea, Peter!  The walls look very impressive now.

Richie does have a point about sawdust, etc.  I kept my few trains in another while doing the heavy construction, but in an 11x11 room I couldn't do it any other way.  If I recall correctly, you have a good bit of room to maneuver between your shelves and planned layout.  Dust would still filter over, unless you had someone using a shop-vac to pick up everything as it is being cut.  Or....do you have a special sawing room, that will be sealed off from the layout room?  I know you thought of everything!!! 

@Richie C. posted:

Someone may have alluded to this before, but how will you keep the trains on the shelves from collecting sawdust or getting accidentally whacked by a 2 X 4 once layout construction begins ?   

Mianne Benchwork for the layout frame......

We'll just be careful when we cut the plywood sheets.....most will have minimal cuts.

Peter

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@Mark Boyce posted:

Getting all the trains out and inventorying them to see what you want to pass on to others is a good idea, Peter!  The walls look very impressive now.

Richie does have a point about sawdust, etc.  I kept my few trains in another while doing the heavy construction, but in an 11x11 room I couldn't do it any other way.  If I recall correctly, you have a good bit of room to maneuver between your shelves and planned layout.  Dust would still filter over, unless you had someone using a shop-vac to pick up everything as it is being cut.  Or....do you have a special sawing room, that will be sealed off from the layout room?  I know you thought of everything!!! 

Mianne Benchwork.

We'll just be careful when we cut the plywood sheets.....most will have minimal cuts.

Peter

Still got stuff to go through......it's like Santa keeps coming.....

Peter

Peter how I know that feeling I have unpacked stuff for the first time that I bought 15 years ago and forgot I had. I just finished another room in my basement that gave me more room to put up more shelves and unpack more stuff. But unlike you I don’t plan on parting with any yet! You are doing a fabulous job and the displays are looking fantastic. Keep up the great work and progress.