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By chance I may be wrong, but I am pretty sure this channel I watch on YouTube is a channel which is in the Lionel factories in China. Based on the background in the video I am pretty certain this is the Lionel Factory, but i am not totally sure. After watching the latest video of them testing the new B&O em1, I believe the whistle they have installed is not the one me personally and some others were hoping for. It is just the normal hooter style whistle. Hopefully the other em1 style engines don't have this whistle. You can also see some other of fantasy style em1's in the back.

Here is the video:

 

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That's what I thought. I always thought it should be a more raspy sounding whistle, something more similar to the old 2000s EM1

From memory, those early B&O EM-1s had a pretty deep sounding whistle, which was/is NOT correct for B&O. Pretty sure the B&O EM-1s had a "hooter" whistle very similar to N&W and C&O, i.e. sort of higher single tone "factory whistle" sounding. Best this for Lionel to do would be to put the N&W "hooter" whistle sound in that model, in my opinion.

@Hot Water posted:

From memory, those early B&O EM-1s had a pretty deep sounding whistle, which was/is NOT correct for B&O. Pretty sure the B&O EM-1s had a "hooter" whistle very similar to N&W and C&O, i.e. sort of higher single tone "factory whistle" sounding. Best this for Lionel to do would be to put the N&W "hooter" whistle sound in that model, in my opinion.

I am no expert as you can see. I just always loved the old 2000s sounds from Lionel, even when they were wrong. An N&W style whistle would sound really good.

If they use their N&W hooter whistle and drop the pitch a little bit they would be spot on for a b&o EM1. 

I understand your frustration. I am almost certain this is the new ones because the gentleman running the train is using Bluetooth, the are other samples in the background, and the locomotive running also looks like a prototype. Definitely the factory production line. Sad to see Lionel not listening to customers.

I understand your frustration. I am almost certain this is the new ones because the gentleman running the train is using Bluetooth, the are other samples in the background, and the locomotive running also looks like a prototype. Definitely the factory production line. Sad to see Lionel not listening to customers.

I emailed Dave Olson directly. Hoping he can come through and fix this. The EM1’s are still overseas so hopefully there is time. I’m happy to know now. If I got it home, unboxed it and heard that whistle on my track.... that would be worse. 

I emailed Dave Olson directly. Hoping he can come through and fix this. The EM1’s are still overseas so hopefully there is time. I’m happy to know now. If I got it home, unboxed it and heard that whistle on my track.... that would be worse. 

Something to note, this is only the B&O model. The other versions could have a different whistle. It is still wrong, just something to keep in mind.

Well, let's hope that isn't going to be what comes out. I believe either Ryan or Dave has said(forget where) that they have some sort of base sounds that they have tested before loading up what would be the real ones, but I think that is when the engine is still in the works without any shells on. This was a couple of years ago maybe a TW video I watched, thinking 2016. I'm sure things probably have changed quite a bit since then. Regardless, these EM1's better have the right whistle otherwise it is the Pennsylvania J1's all over again 

Very true,  And Lionel replicated that very well in their legacy Y6b. This em1 sounds like it only has 4 chuffs,

I agree.

rather then the drift chuff a simple articulated should have. 

What is a "drift chuff"? A simple articulated should have 8 chuffs per revolution, since there are two engines, with 4 chuffs each. However, in many instances after starting out, the 8 chuffs tend to partially synchronize and sound sort of like 6 chuffs, then 4 chuffs, then 6 chuffs, then 8 chuffs, etc., etc., etc. MTH seems to have mastered that "simple articulated chuff" effect quite well.

 

When I say drift chuff I’m just using a phrase I’ve heard some ppl use to describe that 8 chuffs per rev... Mth does replicate it very well. 

Well, having spent about 17 years as a contract Fireman for the UP Steam team, prior to December 2010, on UP 844 and 3985, I must admit that I've never heard of that term. The staccato exhaust of a simple articulated, like UP 3985 and N&W 1218, is really fascinating as it changes during acceleration. Lionel has yet to get that sound right.  

  • By chance I may be wrong, but I am pretty sure this channel I watch on YouTube is a channel which is in the Lionel factories in China. Based on the background in the video I am pretty certain this is the Lionel Factory, but i am not totally sure. After watching the latest video of them testing the new B&O em1, I believe the whistle they have installed is not the one me personally and some others were hoping for. It is just the normal hooter style whistle. Hopefully the other em1 style engines don't have this whistle. You can also see some other of fantasy style em1's in the back.

Here is the video:

 

I don’t know Korean or Chinese, but based on the letter forms, the writing at the top of the screen at the beginning of the video appears to be Korean, not Chinese—so this factory would be in Korea, not China.

First Clip in this video is an EM-1 and again at 2:01 on the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI99Dvpxo2w

 To me based off these clips the the Whistle is close and the Language is Korean. (Google Translator)

Also why does articulated chuff/drift chuff matter when both sets of drivers never miss match on the count of being driven together on the same drive line on the model.

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@Bruk posted:

First Clip in this video is an EM-1 and again at 2:01 on the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI99Dvpxo2w

 To me based off these clips the the Whistle is close and the Language is Korean. (Google Translator)

Sorry but in my opinion the whistle in that Lionel video is nowhere near "close" to a B&O/N&W/C&O "hooter" whistle.

Also why does articulated chuff/drift chuff matter when both sets of drivers never miss match on the count of being driven together on the same drive line on the model.

First, these high-end/high-priced steam models are supposed to represent the "real thing", thus there should be reasonably correct articulated chuff sounds. Second, many modelers loosen the mounting screws and stagger the front engine drivers from the rear engine drives, in order to try and duplicate common prototypical action. Yes, it did occur with the front engine rods aligned with the rear engine rods, but such was not the norm.

 

Thats Lionels crappy, raspy, poorly done , Casio keyboard sounding,  effort at a N&W Hooter.

IMO its one of Lionels worst sounding whistles in history, next to those pacifics that got diesel horns several years ago.

( why they haven't thrown that sound chip in the trash is beyond me)

They redid it for the Legacy y6b. This whistle sounds MUCH closer to the B&O in the video and is an excellent sounding hooter.

Go to 15:30 on Erics Trains video:

Having said that. Refraining from preordering saves alot of greif.  Dealers ALWAYS have extras, if its turns out Lionel did something correct.

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@Hot Water posted:

 

Everything you say I agree on. This is why I strictly buy BRASS now. I do not want to waste my money items that are re-tooled again and again. If I had my way Lionel would be like TCS's WowSounds and ESU's LokSounds DCC and I we could program everything down to the the sound of the bower on the loco. But the O gauge world is behind the times in that. The only thing Lionel has going for them in my opinion is the user quill-able whistle/Horn. IF and when the DCC world introduces this in the future. All that Lionel items with their electronics I own....GONE.

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@RickO posted:

Thats Lionels crappy, raspy, poorly done , Casio keyboard sounding,  effort at a N&W Hooter.

IMO its one of Lionels worst sounding whistles in history, next to those pacifics that got diesel horns several years ago.

( why they haven't thrown that sound chip in the trash is beyond me)

They redid it for the Legacy y6b. This whistle sounds MUCH closer to the B&O in the video and is an excellent sounding hooter.

Go to 15:30 on Erics Trains video:

Having said that. Refraining from preordering saves alot of greif.  Dealers ALWAYS have extras, if its turns out Lionel did something correct.

If they dropped the pitch on this Y6b whistle a little bit, They would be 95 to 98% accurate. I agree that the steamboat whistle sound chip should be trashed, or saved for some turn of the century mallets that we just don’t know what the whistle sounded like. (My Buffalo Rochester & Pittsburgh mallet has this whistle and I kind of like it for that model) But not for this EM1..... especially when we have actual live recorded sound. 

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DJ'sOgaugetrains - Aside from the whistle sound issue, I watched all of the video link you attached and WOW I gotta say I was amazed at the rail fanning opportunities that the B&O offered back in the day! (lol)

Beginning at the 2:05 mark of your video there's a train that includes two (2) gondolas full of people - one right behind the tender and the other at the very end of the train - which is travelling at a very fast clip. Holy Mackerel!

All I can say is I guess the safety standards back in those days were not nearly as stringent as they are today! (lol)  Nonetheless - watching that made my day.

Happy Railroading everybody!     

@PH1975 posted:

DJ'sOgaugetrains - Aside from the whistle sound issue, I watched all of the video link you attached and WOW I gotta say I was amazed at the rail fanning opportunities that the B&O offered back in the day! (lol)

Beginning at the 2:05 mark of your video there's a train that includes two (2) gondolas full of people - one right behind the tender and the other at the very end of the train - which is travelling at a very fast clip. Holy Mackerel!

Back in the early 1960s, the CB&Q operated many steam excursions behind 2-8-2 #4960 and 4-8-4 #5632, with an open gondola, generally right behind the locomotive. The stories are legendary from guys riding in that gondola behind O5b #5632 at speeds to 90 MPH, along the Mississippi River (at least one time that gondola was even on the rear of the passenger train returning to Chicago, at 90 MPH).

All I can say is I guess the safety standards back in those days were not nearly as stringent as they are today! (lol)  Nonetheless - watching that made my day.

You are absolutely correct. I remember riding steam excursions on the PRR New York & Long Branch behind K4sa #612, in 1957, and people were even allowed to climb on top of boxcars and signal masts for the photo run-by. The same thing was true in 1959 on the first few Reading Iron Horse Rambles, behind T-1 #2124. 

Happy Railroading everybody!     

 

Hot Water - Yep, things were quite different back in those days.  As for your 90 mph comments, I'd certainly want to be wearing some 'goggles'; otherwise you might be either blinded or poisoned  from swallowing insects by the time you reach your destination. (lol)

Unfortunately nowadays a traveler can't even stand on a vestibule for a couple of minutes on a 'government-subsidized' Amtrak or VIA passenger car; although one exception to this (which I've personally experienced) is Canada's 'privately-owned' Rocky Mountaineer.  Kudos to the RM management who realize that this is one of the most enjoyable aspects of travelling by rail (and you don't need goggles on a vestibule at the back of the train either).

Well, I looked a bit more into this video and I believe this is Korea not China. The channel is from Korea, and I know that two locomotives I recently picked up were made in Korea.

I am confused looking at the video as to why they have tape on the pistons(at first I thought they were painted gold for some reason), maybe if they lay them down I guess?

The whistle hopefully will get fixed, there's a big difference between what they have and the video of the real deal.

Did they get the right chuffs per rev?

Overall it looks(the engine in general) looks nice.

Well, I looked a bit more into this video and I believe this is Korea not China. The channel is from Korea, and I know that two locomotives I recently picked up were made in Korea.

I am confused looking at the video as to why they have tape on the pistons(at first I thought they were painted gold for some reason), maybe if they lay them down I guess?

The whistle hopefully will get fixed, there's a big difference between what they have and the video of the real deal.

Only if many folks begin eMailing the folks at Lionel, i.e. Dave Olsen.

Did they get the right chuffs per rev?

Not in my opinion.

Overall it looks(the engine in general) looks nice.

 

@romiller49 posted:

Lionel would be foolish not addressing this issue before they are on the boat. If it is what it is then tell us now so buyers and dealers can make decisions as to accept or cancel. 

Interesting suggestion, then again didn't the folks at Lionel maintain that the whistle on the PRR J-1 2-10-4 model was "correct"?  So,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,what if they "think" the whistle in that video is also "correct"?

Well, if they think the whistle is correct they must have Grumpy at the pipe organ from Snow White & those other folks. Hearing the whistle on the J-1 was really disappointing. One of the reasons I wanted one(since missing out on the prior one) was mainly for the whistle. There is nothing like a big steam engine blowing it's whistle. Maybe the 49er Challenger has clown sounds and clown horns instead of a whistle, but that is not based on a real deal. Keep the fantasy stuff fantasy and have the real be real. Whistles might as well be the iconic Road Runner "Meep! Meep!"

Attached is a clip of the whistle we've put in the B&O skus. It is the same that is in the video. It's a pitched down version of one of the hooter whistles we've used in the past. We felt it was representative of what we listened to in the video. I can certainly see the viewpoint of the whistle in the Y6b being similar as well. We chose what we felt was correct to use. (yes, just like in the Pennsy J)

For the chuffs, these engines do have what we call "drift chuff" which is where there are 8 chuffs/rev that phase in and out of each other to represent two different sets of chuffs. It's what we did with the Vision Big Boy. In the video, the engine is just in the part of the sequence where the two engines are chuffing at the same time. Hopefully that makes sense.

These engines are already on the water and will be shipped as-is. We will not be changing the whistle. I am just being up front about that. I'll likely get angry emails like I always do, but I cannot please everyone.

One thing that I look forward to with our new development for Legacy electronics is the 5 whistle/horn options. Every Legacy engine starting in the 2020 Big Book is getting the new electronics, and will features 5 different whistles and/or horns to choose from. For each sku, we will select the 5 whistles/horns that are applicable to the road name, with the selected "prototype" being the default.

Happy Tuesday!

Dave

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@Dave Olson posted:

Attached is a clip of the whistle we've put in the B&O skus. It is the same that is in the video. It's a pitched down version of one of the hooter whistles we've used in the past. We felt it was representative of what we listened to in the video. I can certainly see the viewpoint of the whistle in the Y6b being similar as well. We chose what we felt was correct to use. (yes, just like in the Pennsy J1

 

Happy Tuesday!

Dave

Well there you have it. Lionel says its correct, so its correct.......LOL.

 

This is interesting. While searching for a good video, found this from 2014. It appears that they were blowing some B&O whistles. Second one sounds like the EM1, runs about a minute.  Not sure what the other whistles are, but have a listen. Begins at 30 seconds.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WtdYuFh95G8

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This is interesting. While searching for a good video, found this from 2014. It appears that they were blowing some B&O whistles. Second one sounds like the EM1, runs about a minute.  Not sure what the other whistles are, but have a listen. Begins at 30 seconds.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WtdYuFh95G8

Right. Typical B&O, N&W, C&O "hooter" whistle, although blown on lower pressure steam than on a working locomotive.

I'm not a customer for this loco, but I'm glad I read the discussion. I was impressed by and enjoyed Mr. Olson's comments, for one thing. A choice of five different whistles/horns without having to download a new sound set from the web sounds like a nice future feature. 

I hope those of you who are deeply disappointed and/or angry can find some  happiness with another locomotive.  

Hi Dave, 

Thanks for chiming in on this issue, it is much appreciated.  

I want to thank you and the team at Lionel for bringing us great products.  I know it is not easy or cheap to develop these models, and I as hobbyist thank you.  Lionel locomotives make up the vast majority of my fleet along with Legacy and many other products (rolling stock, buildings, etc). 

I do, however, want to suggest that Lionel please try to, at times, be a little more dilligent in the whistles used on premium legacy locos.  It is well known that the whistle on the recent PRR J1 was not in any way correct, lots of evidence was offered on this forum for that.  Speaking for myself, it is somewhat disappointing when a loco has a completely wrong whistle.  It is especially disappointing when either: 1) there are ample sound clips/movies/historical societies, etc. that can provide the correct whistles, or 2) Lionel has included the correct sound in previous releases of the model. 

This only seems to happen from time to time, and please don't get me wrong, there are many examples of "home runs" for Lionel in engine sounds (Vision line Big Boys, Niagaras, Amtrak F40s, and on and on). 

In my opinion, Lionel has been the leader in engine sounds for a long time.  I well remember getting back into the hobby in the mid-1990s and blown away by Lionel Railsounds.  Lionel advertised for a long time that they always try to go to great lengths to get the correct sounds for an engine.  I just want Lionel, whenever possible, to continue to do that.  Again, I know it's not easy.    

I must say that you have me very interested in the upcoming 5 whistle/horn option in the new locos.  I think I'm going to have to pull the trigger on the new Legacy Reading T-1 (I was on the fence as I already have one from the first release!) 

Thank you again, Dave, for your post and for your working on delivering Lionel products to us.  I wish you all the best. 

Rob  

Does anyone know if this loco has the 3 speaker system (2 tender/1 boiler) or just the 2 in the tender.  I just received my B&O version and the one at the LHS sounded like it only had the 2 speakers in the tender.  Really curious before I open it considering the literature advertises the 3 speaker system like in the Challengers. 

@StaMic006 posted:

Does anyone know if this loco has the 3 speaker system (2 tender/1 boiler) or just the 2 in the tender.  I just received my B&O version and the one at the LHS sounded like it only had the 2 speakers in the tender.  Really curious before I open it considering the literature advertises the 3 speaker system like in the Challengers. 

This engine does not have the 3 speaker sound system. It has dual speakers in the tender. The catalog does not advertise the 3 speaker system for the EM-1. Wish it did have that extra speaker in the boiler!

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Oh wow... that’s from the websight... look in the 2019 V2 catalog... it just says dual speakers. Lionel needs to double check that stuff. I have one of the EM1’s. There’s no speaker in the boiler. 


10-4. I wish it did have 3.  My Challenger sounds really good.  I also picked up the First Run BB and I’m pretty sure it has 3 speakers.  I’ve yet to unbox either of them. 

To me it doesn't sound that bad...perhaps better in person?

If I recall right, the EM-1 is one of the few models Lionel has made that MTH has not made in their Premier Line. I think this is the 2nd or 3rd release? What whistle did the former versions have? I would think the audio engineers would've referenced the previous files for this engine.

I have the black one #7609   2031090

they used different whistles on some of the other versions. I heard the DM&IR em1, it has the whistle used in the legacy Allegheny a few years ago. 

Thanks DJ, I noticed in the proto type pictures at the dealer websites that the drive rods on all EM-1s are black; however, in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDTqcidXUIQ, they are silver; what are yours?

@Bruk posted:

If you all only knew what else is out there in the DCC World. O scale TCS WowSound decoders come with 50+ whistles and 10+different bells and different chuff sets. 😂

Well, exactly. I became involved with O3R as a break from DCC On30 and sound systems like the Tsunami are streets ahead of what I’m seeing here. My upgraded MMI K27 and K36 2-8-2s have sound suites from the actual locos, for example. So does my BIL C-16 2-8-0, and that was made as a RTR loco with DCC and DC control options, in the early 90s. 

None of my O3R locos cost me more than $350 all in, including the upgraded K4s, and for that money I can live with the more-or-less generic sounds (although the K4s has a K4s option, so its not generic). But for $1000 plus? Sorry, but I’d be expecting the right sounds, for that outlay. 

Well, exactly. I became involved with O3R as a break from DCC On30 and sound systems like the Tsunami are streets ahead of what I’m seeing here. My upgraded MMI K27 and K36 2-8-2s have sound suites from the actual locos, for example. So does my BIL C-16 2-8-0, and that was made as a RTR loco with DCC and DC control options, in the early 90s. 

None of my O3R locos cost me more than $350 all in, including the upgraded K4s, and for that money I can live with the more-or-less generic sounds (although the K4s has a K4s option, so its not generic). But for $1000 plus? Sorry, but I’d be expecting the right sounds, for that outlay. 

With DCC (or DCS, using the ADPCM software) you can change whistles, bells, or whatever in a sound file to make them more accurate. Lionel doesn't offer that ability. I wish they would, but you are stuck with whatever sound they put in at the factory. DCC (and DCS to an extent) do not suffer from that issue. With Legacy there is no way for the end user to program or change sound files. 

Bravo Dave1 for speaking up. 

With today's hard times, what with Corona having put so many people out of work itself, $$$ must now be spent to essentials and not models that don't perform properly when unpacked and put on the track.  Ditto with whistles and horns that sound like they've been blown by an unemployed clown who used to perform in the once upon a time Ringling Brothers, Barnum & Bailey circus.

Any company that is only out to sell it's once respected name and doesn't manufacture high quality products should be ashamed of itself.  Admitting that a product is inferior and already expects to take on a pile of email complaints is a pretty weak excuse in my opinion.

I prefer to save my $$$ for a rainy day.  This way I won't get washed up by having paid for a product was not only a gross disappointment but got a dangerous rise in my blood pressure.  It's time to demand that products be Made in the U.S.A. instead of some overseas sweatshop that carry prices only a prince can afford.  Corona alone has made paupers out of many model railroaders who now can only afford to sit in their EZ chairs and dream about the trains that are still on their wish list.

RIP RBB&B, another American institution that fell on hard times caused in part by irrate animal freaks who demanded that elephants be removed from the Greatest Show on Earth.  It is a well known fact that RBB&B took the best care possible of their elephants, perhaps much better than even some other institutions.  Just look at the thousands in number of this magnificent creature that have, and continue to be, killed in Africa for their ivory alone.  Rest assured, this never happened with any RBB&B elephant. 

The Greatest Show on Earth is dead; Long live the Greatest Show on Earth.  It still can happen in O gauge (and all other scales too for that matter) with a circus train.  Come one, come all, and grab a bag of peanuts or popcorn, and cotton candy on a stick, and have a ice cold Coke (Reg.U.S.Pat.Off.) because the show is about to begin!

Godspeed everyone.  Please Pray for Peace.

 

 

 

 

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I'm way late to this thread, but IMHO in this day in age of digital sound technology there isn't much excuse for getting the whistle sound wrong on some of these expensive models.  You can make great recordings of stuff with very cheap equipment and there is a PLETHORA of free opensource software you can use to edit the sounds to your exact liking to sound good on a 2" or 3" speaker.  Back in 2000 or even 2010 you could argue, getting the fidelity with a given whistle correct would have been tougher.  But today, memory is cheap, and high SNR DACs are ubiquitous.  I'm not entirely sure why Lionel (or anyone else for that matter) is still rolling their own electronics.  Just write some software and stick it on an Arduino or something.  The only thing required outside of that would be the amplifier and power circuits which let's face it is a solved problem.  Sure, I know, no problem is as easy as the one you envision someone else solving.  So... 

I've been involved in professional audio in one form or another for over 15 years.  I will offer to fly out to one of these whistle sound-off events that @Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 linked to a video of, bring my recording equipment, edit the files, and give them to any manufacturer who wants them for inclusion in their models, on my dime.  I've done this NUMEROUS times on my MTH engines to replace them with slightly different sounding whistles by using the exact same videos that people have linked to on YouTube.  Obviously I can't redistribute or sell that work since it's based on copyrighted material, but I can tell you - it's not that difficult.  Once a recording is made, I can finish one and have it loaded on an MTH engine inside of a day.  It wouldn't even be a stretch to vary the pitch, echo, and reverb slightly for each different road number offered.  However, I'm only going to do it if they sign on to actually use the work properly in their models.  

You do this once or twice (to get a wide enough variety of whistles), make the recordings at a high level of sound quality, and digitize them at CD or better quality, and we're done.  Forever.  I'd look at it as a historical preservation effort.  We could even donate the sounds to the Library of Congress for preservation.  I'm fairly certain we could find folks that are model train enthusiasts that are also whistle collectors.  And if not, find some folks that are willing to just let them be recorded.  Ninety percent of the fun in owning those whistles would be hooking 'em up and let 'er rip!

Hopefully someone from Lionel, @Dave Olson, etc. is reading.

Edit: removed "@LIONEL" since that isn't actually the account for Lionel.  Oops.

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@RickO posted:

Well there you have it. Lionel says its correct, so its correct.......LOL.

 

Which of the MTH J1 whistles is more correct?

PS2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...re=youtu.be&t=17

PS3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...e=youtu.be&t=147

I'm not an expert on all whistles, but several of my Pennsy steam have one of these two and it's my understanding the first is the PRR "banshee" and the second is the classic PRR "3 chime".

 

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@rplst8 posted:

Which of the MTH J1 whistles is more correct?

PS2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...re=youtu.be&t=17

PS3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...e=youtu.be&t=147

I'm not an expert on all whistles, but several of my Pennsy steam have one of these two and it's my understanding the first is the PRR "banshee" and the second is the classic PRR "3 chime".

The first video is definitely NOT the classic PRR "banshee"! It actually sounds pretty correct for a PRR J1, or a T1, or an M1, or a K4s.

The second video sort of sounds a lot like the first video, but at an ever-so-slightly different "tone" or volume.

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@Dave Olson posted:

Attached is a clip of the whistle we've put in the B&O skus. It is the same that is in the video. It's a pitched down version of one of the hooter whistles we've used in the past. We felt it was representative of what we listened to in the video. I can certainly see the viewpoint of the whistle in the Y6b being similar as well. We chose what we felt was correct to use. (yes, just like in the Pennsy J)

For the chuffs, these engines do have what we call "drift chuff" which is where there are 8 chuffs/rev that phase in and out of each other to represent two different sets of chuffs. It's what we did with the Vision Big Boy. In the video, the engine is just in the part of the sequence where the two engines are chuffing at the same time. Hopefully that makes sense.

These engines are already on the water and will be shipped as-is. We will not be changing the whistle. I am just being up front about that. I'll likely get angry emails like I always do, but I cannot please everyone.

One thing that I look forward to with our new development for Legacy electronics is the 5 whistle/horn options. Every Legacy engine starting in the 2020 Big Book is getting the new electronics, and will features 5 different whistles and/or horns to choose from. For each sku, we will select the 5 whistles/horns that are applicable to the road name, with the selected "prototype" being the default.

Happy Tuesday!

Dave

Dave:

While we are on the subject of whistles, is Lionel doing anything to replace the prototypically incorrect whistle that was included the PRR JIAs that many of us purchased from the 2019 Big Book ? Thanks.

Pat 

 

 

@irish rifle posted:

Dave:

While we are on the subject of whistles, is Lionel doing anything to replace the prototypically incorrect whistle that was included the PRR JIAs that many of us purchased from the 2019 Big Book ? Thanks.

Pat 

 

 

Read Dave Olsons quote that you posted above again Pat. 

It says " we chose what we felt was correct to use. (Yes, just like the Pennsy J)"

So I'm thinking they may not do anything about it.

I'd be curious to see if they fix the 5 chuff  hudsons folks bought. I guess if they feel 5 chuffs is correct those won't change either

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@RickO posted:

Read Dave Olsons quote that you posted above again Pat. 

It says " we chose what we felt was correct to use. (Yes, just like the Pennsy J)"

So I'm thinking they may not do anything about it.

I'd be curious to see if they fix the 5 chuff  hudsons folks bought. I guess if they feel 5 chuffs is correct those won't change either

Rick:

You are probably right, but I thought I would ask Dave anyway, since as a number of us have pointed out on prior threads, the whistle for the 2019 Legacy JIAs is not even close to being prototypically correct. 

Pat

I have the black one #7609   2031090

they used different whistles on some of the other versions. I heard the DM&IR em1, it has the whistle used in the legacy Allegheny a few years ago. 

Dj, are you getting any of the electronic blips in the whistle when you activate the whistle or are moving from low to medium and medium to high and back down again???  Most noticeable when loco is not moving.

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