New Licensing Deal for Lionel ERR Products

gunrunnerjohn posted:

Pete, pretty sure Jim is saying he has a few locomotives in mind, but he's not sure of the mix, so he doesn't know what characteristics he'd want until it gets closer to the shipment time.  We're not used to having to order this stuff six months in advance.

John,

Yes. That was my point exactly.  It might be for a set of Williams FA’s or a T-1, etc...

-Jim 

Jim Harrington posted:
gunrunnerjohn posted:

Pete, pretty sure Jim is saying he has a few locomotives in mind, but he's not sure of the mix, so he doesn't know what characteristics he'd want until it gets closer to the shipment time.  We're not used to having to order this stuff six months in advance.

John,

Yes. That was my point exactly.  It might be for a set of Williams FA’s or a T-1, etc...

-Jim 

If you know what you want you can pre order. If you don't know what you want then wait until they available. The boards come with no sounds and are programmed for a specific sound when you order it. It not like, if Scott receives no order for FAs that you will be out of luck. You can rest assured Railsounds will be available for at least all the versions listed and hopefully for some not listed like the gas engine sounds offered for items like the Galloping Goose. Those were never listed but an email to Ken and he would make one for you.

Pete

 

Scott,  and others.....    If the sounds are to be loaded upon the initial ordering of a RS board, may the possible/available list of sound files be shown on the web site for anyone ordering can do so with some idea of what it will sound like.   Much the same as ERR had so you could hear a sound sample.

 

Jesse   TCA

Jesse, the sounds are there and if you go to www.3rdrail.com and click on ERR, then RESERVE and move down to the sound card you are thinking about and click on "Listen to Sound Card" the sounds will come up.

Ed Goldin

Lionel Authorized Repair Station

Specializing in American Flyer, S-Helper and

American Models TMCC Installations

Authorized ERR Dealer

Member TCA & NASG 





 

 

Jim Harrington posted:

Scott,

Would it be possible to list a Railsounds Commander “generic” reserve item that would allow for production of the board(s) with sound set selection made after the boards are delivered to 3rd Rail?

Thanks

Jim

Jim, its not only possible but thats how its done. Why are you having such hard time understanding this concept?

Scott doesn't order the boards with sounds. He programs them after he receives them. 

Two things Scott will always have on hand are Cruise Commanders and Railsounds boards as long as he is licensed to sell than because thats what he uses in his engines.

 

Pete

Pete,

Not at all having a hard time understanding the fact that 3rd Rail will have the "generic" boards, manufactured and load the sound sets.

You stated "If you don't know what you want then wait until they available."   That may not be an option.  Scott has clearly stated that he will be manufacturing based on demand/reservations.  3RD Rail may not have dozens sitting in inventory to accommodate those of us that don't make reservations. 

What we do know is that 3RD rail is taking reservations for boards with specific sound sets. 

What we don't know is when the sound sets will be loaded.  3rd rail may load the sound sets when the boards come in, and then tell us all "they are ready".

So unless you are speaking for Scott and 3rd Rail, my question is not yet answered.

-Jim

ED,  Thanks for the reply and heads-up.   I have not gotten onto the 3rd rail site, yet, and don't get on everyday, just now and then.

Appreciate the reply and information, now I am more aware of what to look for and check out on the new site for ERR products.

Jesse   TCA

sdmann posted:

I will monitor the requests for bring back some of the other ERR boards that are not in this first list of sanctioned boards.  We have to get permission to do this, but showing the volume need will make a difference in the decision making process. No promises.

Scott

Thanks so much for this Scott. There are many of us who solely use the cruise lite or the mini commander II because of space constraints.

I highly suspect that they'll be getting the specific sound sets that were offered by ERR or if any unique ones are used in 3rd Rail stuff, they'll probably have that.  I'm pretty sure Lionel won't open up the whole RailSounds library suddenly.

Kinda' what I figured, it would be nice to have a wider assortment.

Scott, are you going to have the Gas powered w/single chime horn sound set?  This was unpublished in their purchase guide, (but offered by ERR), I bought several of them.

Hi Folks,

We are setting up our warehouse now to assemble kits, and will notify those with reservations when we have received the first boards from the manufacturer. We are ordering for the future needs as well and test marketing to see if we can bring back Mini Commanders, Cruise Lite and Switch Commanders.

If we get sufficient orders we can bring these back. But if we get historically weak orders for these, then they will not be produced. So if you want to see them made, come and put in a reservation now.

http://www.3rdrail.com/err-3rdrail/index.html

We've also added the Railsounds set for Budd Cars and Turbine as these were being offered originally by ERR.

Thank you all for your support to get this off the ground, and happy railroading.

Scott Mann

 

Thanks Scott, are you also bringing the gasoline engine sound set, that was also offered by ERR.  I didn't ever see the Budd Car set, but that's a nice addition.

Which Mini Commander are you talking about?  There is the Mini Commander II that for small motorized units that none of the cruise boards will fit, and also the Mini Commander ACC that is used to add command capability to rolling stock and trackside accessories.

Not sure I remember a full on Budd Railsounds board but early on ERR had a Sound Commander for Beeps and Budds. Smaller than the Railsounds boards of the time. The Budd Sound Commander came in two flavors, single chime and dual chime. I have a dual chime and its perfect for this item. The Beep board had a typical diesel horn plus another button that gave a beep beep. 

Pete

Your right, it's not necessarily a BUDD sound, but a Gas Loco Sound with single chime horn. I'll make a change to the description.

As for the Mini Commanders, I am only going off the labels on the sample boards I received. The mini commander I  need to be programmed for either ACC or HC configurations. But he hardware is the same.

Scott

 

sdmann posted:

Your right, it's not necessarily a BUDD sound, but a Gas Loco Sound with single chime horn. I'll make a change to the description.

As for the Mini Commanders, I am only going off the labels on the sample boards I received. The mini commander I  need to be programmed for either ACC or HC configurations. But he hardware is the same.

Scott

 

Thanks Scott, glad to clear up the confusion over the BUDD sound board. 

As for the Mini Commander, the HC configurations have a larger triac in one channel than the ACC configuration, but AFAIK, the programming is the same.  The other Mini Commander, the Mini Commander II is a totally separate product that is for motorized units too small for any of the other TMCC motor driver products.

 

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Gunrunnerjohn, The Mini II is a very versatile unit and not only is it used for small switchers but I also use them for American Model Diesels. With a little engineering they fit perfectly and most of the time there is also enough room to add sound. I hope Scott gets enough orders to bring this unit back. 

Ed Goldin

Lionel Authorized Repair Station

Specializing in American Flyer, S-Helper and

American Models TMCC Installations

Authorized ERR Dealer

Member TCA & NASG 





 

 

Ed posted:

Gunrunnerjohn, The Mini II is a very versatile unit and not only is it used for small switchers but I also use them for American Model Diesels. With a little engineering they fit perfectly and most of the time there is also enough room to add sound. I hope Scott gets enough orders to bring this unit back. 

With the mini II is it small enough to put into some of the smaller units, like a Lionel docksider or a K-Line plymouth switcher? I love those little guys and would love to be able to handle them in command mode when the time comes. I know it likely will be difficult (if I did it I likely would order the mini II and then have someone do it, not sure of how rusty my skills are). 

The person who dies with the best toys dies a happy person

bigkid posted:

With the mini II is it small enough to put into some of the smaller units, like a Lionel docksider or a K-Line plymouth switcher? I love those little guys and would love to be able to handle them in command mode when the time comes. I know it likely will be difficult (if I did it I likely would order the mini II and then have someone do it, not sure of how rusty my skills are). 

It fits in a Plymouth. A friend did his and I plan to do mine.

Pete

sdmann posted:

Hi Folks,

We are setting up our warehouse now to assemble kits, and will notify those with reservations when we have received the first boards from the manufacturer. We are ordering for the future needs as well and test marketing to see if we can bring back Mini Commanders, Cruise Lite and Switch Commanders.

If we get sufficient orders we can bring these back. But if we get historically weak orders for these, then they will not be produced. So if you want to see them made, come and put in a reservation now.

http://www.3rdrail.com/err-3rdrail/index.html

We've also added the Railsounds set for Budd Cars and Turbine as these were being offered originally by ERR.

Thank you all for your support to get this off the ground, and happy railroading.

Scott Mann

 

Since you've nearly doubled the price of the Switch Commanders (from $24.95 to $49.95), you've almost guaranteed to keep the orders for them historically weak.

Why such a huge increase in this item?

TCA 05-58634

I agree, at $50, the switch commander makes no sense, a new command switch can be had for around $80-90 if you look around, better to simply unload the remote switch and buy a new command switch.  At $25, it made sense as an upgrade.

Gunrunnerjohn,

I have done a couple of them and think it was the Mini II.  

Ed Goldin

Lionel Authorized Repair Station

Specializing in American Flyer, S-Helper and

American Models TMCC Installations

Authorized ERR Dealer

Member TCA & NASG 





 

 

Ed posted:

Gunrunnerjohn,

I have done a couple of them and think it was the Mini II.  

Upgraded a Fastrack switch?  I think not! 

If that's not what you're talking about, you need to be more specific.

sdmann posted:

Your right, it's not necessarily a BUDD sound, but a Gas Loco Sound with single chime horn. I'll make a change to the description.

As for the Mini Commanders, I am only going off the labels on the sample boards I received. The mini commander I  need to be programmed for either ACC or HC configurations. But he hardware is the same.

Scott

 

Scott, what about releasing the sound boards for the RDCs you made or are those some sort generic diesel board?

Pete

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