I  have only seen what has been posted online from the new catalog but so far I have seen nothing that catches my eye. The only thing I see are the very high prices. I don't usually complain about prices but Lionel must think we are all rich. My days of buying new may be over. But hey the used market is calling my name. 

So what will you buy? 

Dave

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I may have to trim some of this fat but..

The Frisco 4500 Meteor, Big Boy first run and the DM&IR “Yellowstone”. 

The freight sounds box cars, Great Northern and Illinois Terminal. 

Both Green Bay and Western reefers.

I like the BN F set, but I want the whole thing in cascade green so I’ll pass. 

The Bush funeral train seems like a good price (considering what the street price will probably be) for what you get. But I will probably take a pass on that two.  

I will also get one or two S gauge items.

Overall I was surprised at how many of the steamers really caught my eye.

Ben

 

LCCA

Wow...  this catalog will be a big one for me...  it will take a while to decide what fits in my budget...  i can relay what catches my eye...

First off, the 4-4-0's look great.  I have not really been into 19th century trains, but studying these, the ornate decorations are really fantastic...  really drawn to these...

Then the Big Boy 4014...  i love the cab floor detail and the big boy sketched on smokebox.  This is cool to me because the bearing caps are silver and would look great lashed to my 844 pulling my excursion train.

Naturally the UP#4141 Bush Funeral Train set and all the UP excursion cars to expand my collection and train.  Looking forward to a 16plus car excursion train!

I am a fan of the EM1s.  Great engine in legacy!  I want the NP grey boiler this time around...

Then i want all the fantasy ATSF northerns...  Rock Island, DRGW, MOPAC, and the 4524 Frisco looks incredible.  Ive also been getting sweet on that ACL.  would love that on my eastern steam display case...  naturally love the Frisco 4500, but probably go with 4524.

The S2 and S4 switchers are really colorful.  Need the ATSF, but may also grab that sweet SusieQ.

The Rio Grande and Cotton Belt are my F7s for this catalog...

I gotta have the Great Northern Circus Ps1 sounds box car...  hope they do the series of them...

Probably more DTI box cars and 60ft Santa Fe auto parts box cars...

Oh yea, forgot...  the UP#1111 is mandatory for me...

Whew!  So much to choose from...

 

 

Bob

Lionel Fan and Super "O" Track Enthusiast

Not much for me. For sure a LC+ docksider and a LC+ GG1.  A lot of the stuff in the catalog is too large for modest sized layouts, so much is on the "ignore" list. A number of things missed the mark as far as paint schemes I want, such as no Great Northern F-7/3 in orange/green with black trucks, and no Rio Grande F7/3 with silver trucks. The Northern Pacific S4 would be of interest, but the previous TMCC version is already on the property, so probably that's a no-go. 

  

Just got the Catalog today and the MTH volume two. If I order anything from the Lionel, it MAY be the NS OCS. I would rather spend my money on MTH... I like the MTH Railking NS OCS even though it only has one powered unit. I may also order an NS SW1500 or NYC GP7.

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Nothing. I'm still waiting on my SFRD freight sounds refrigerator from 2018 V2, REA baggage car from 2019 V1, and a Santa Fe R50B refrigerator from MTH 2019 V1. 

I'd like an ATSF 3751 class Northern, but I lack the cash necessary for purchase. 

Santa Fe, All the Way

Steamers: US army 4-6-6T, BEDT dockside. 

Diesels: penn central super bass F7 

passenger: auto train & southern camera domes

freight. 2 flat wheels box cars. Not sure wich roads. Probably PC & GN. And a b&o I12 caboose

ill also probably do 1 big steamer. Not sure if it will be the chalked 4014, the in service b&o em1, or the blue goose. (It’s fake but it’s beautiful!)

From what little I've seen so far, nothing. I do expect that to change Monday, when I can really look at the whole catalog. 

NS6770Fan posted:

Just got the Catalog today and the MTH volume two. If I order anything from the Lionel, it MAY be the NS OCS. I would rather spend my money on MTH... I like the MTH Railking NS OCS even though it only has one powered unit. I may also order an NS SW1500 or NYC GP7.

That's funny.  I'd much rather spend my money on Lionel since I spend no money on MTH.

Maybe you should read the title of the topic of this thread.  Might be enlightening.

For you.

 

 

RT   

Have not seen all of the rolling stock yet so there may be some surprises in that category, still waiting on rolling stock from the last catalog. There will be no more pre-orders of Lionel locomotives, been way to many failures out of the box, don't need that frustration.

Bill T.

The only thing that caught my eye was the UP Excursion 2-Pack with the Lone Star Business Car. Lionel seems to have ironed out the difficulties that afflicted the first run of these 21" cars (although none of the ones I got, including all 7 of the UP Excursion cars in that run, exhibited any significant paint or similar issues). 

I don't think that Lionel has done a business car before let alone one in scale length. This will give me a surplus of end of train cars when added to the City of San Francisco dome observation car and the Fox River theater car but I can always run all three together in some kind of order!

Frankly, even if I had space I would not pre-order a Lionel engine these days because of QC concerns.

I will look at the Santa Fe 3751-Class 4-8-4, as I think it will be a good fit on my layout.  I'll probably sell my Sunset brass 2900 Class 4-8-4 to partially finance it, as the Sunset engine is just a bit too large for my layout.  It yearns for longer stretches of straight track.

Tom

 

Superintendent, High Plains Division (O Gauge) 

The Panhandle & Santa Fe Railway Co.

Lone Star Hi-Railers

Santa Fe, All the Way

 

 Still wondering what happened to the NYC sound kitchen MOW car from the last catalog? 

It will be years before these items arrive at the door. Might not be around by then? 

Haven't  really paid much attention to the posted images so will wait until I get a copy in my hands.

As a LC+ fan will definitely consider the LC 2.0 GG1.

And it would be one of the 5-stripe liveries. Tend to like the Tuscan but wonder how that color will come out in the end? That’s always been a problematic one to get correct. Have seen it range from the accurate hue to something resembling a pink. So maybe will play it safe and get green?

TCA, LCCA

I have been  considering the Golden Spike engines since their announcement, but the QC situation is weighing heavily in my hesitance to drop that much money on 2 items.  The recent "all items affected" (or darn close to it!)  flaws in the Hobby Shops (missing pieces), PA1's (electronics that don't work), and the older well documented Mogul snafu are not helping my decision.

I really like the idea of these items and think they would be a nice complement to the previous BFOC, John Bull, etc, but I'm not overly confident right now.

I'm sure something will find it onto my list.  I already asked my dealer to sign me up for the 50th Anniversary Moon Landing commemorative boxcar(I am assuming they are in the catalog, but maybe just on the website? - dealer said they should be in in a couple weeks), and those LC+ docksiders look nice, so I might get one of those.  I assume there are probably a few other pieces of rolling stock I'll put on the list.

-Dave

Number 90 posted:

I will look at the Santa Fe 3751-Class 4-8-4, as I think it will be a good fit on my layout.  I'll probably sell my Sunset brass 2900 Class 4-8-4 to partially finance it, as the Sunset engine is just a bit too large for my layout.  It yearns for longer stretches of straight track.

I was about to respond with a "but these 2 classes are close to the same size" - and they are - but I just threw a yardstick on my Lionel 3271 and my MTH 2903 and did come up with a difference of about 4", including tenders, which is where a lot of the difference resides. This surprised me, but I haven't run either for years.

Still, I wonder how much more "compact" the 3751-class loco will look, compared to the 2900's? Those 2900's - zowie. I do need to make my shelf queen PS-1 version an ERR command loco. 

The Frisco 4524 has my attention as well - just wish it had a coal tender like it should. May be my sort of fantasy engine for the year.

The Cotton Belt F7's will be #1 on my order form

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Well I didn't get some of the picks but I will wait and see the Lionel Catalog on line as well as the hard copy. Do far my only order is the Hybrid 4-4-0. I have an RGS per switcher but the decor is wrong. The Lionel version.is correct for the B8 "stand in" but far from being any B8 that for sure! I have the Conrail- SD38 already.

 

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No orders, but I will pick this up when it shows up at the dealers.  A TMCC docksider with good sound, fan driven smoke, four chuffs, cruise control, electrocouplers, etc. for $249.99 MSRP looks pretty good.

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Big_Boy_4005 posted:

From what little I've seen so far, nothing. I do expect that to change Monday, when I can really look at the whole catalog. 

It did. 

I may actually have to break down and get a Big Boy this time. Much as I would like the 4005 (duh), it will probably be 4014, as my rule for steam is, I have to have seen it under steam, in the Twin Cities.  Probably going to have to modify a few spots on the layout to be able to run it. The layout was designed before anyone made a Big Boy.

Gotta keep working on my excursion set, and the Experience baggage car. The Amtrak camera dome is a must have. It'll go great with my rainbow Empire Builder. It'll be a game time decision on the GN / BN F7's and the B unit. They are pretty, two of my favorite colors.

No freight this time, but I have plenty of that.

For me this catalog is high buck low volume. To each his own.

Blue Streak posted:

The Frisco 4524 has my attention as well - just wish it had a coal tender like it should. May be my sort of fantasy engine for the year.

The Cotton Belt F7's will be #1 on my order form

Just for the heck of it - I was curious - I looked up the Frisco 4-8-4's in Collias' book Frisco Power, to find out that only 3 of these locos were indeed oil-burners - 4500, 4501, 4502. You probably already know that.

Four 4-8-4's were preserved, per the book, and, oddly, 2 of them were oil-burners (4500 and 4501), and, to make matters more annoying, 4524 is indeed preserved, but it's a coal-burner. 

Oh, well - the model is of an ATSF 4-8-4 and tender anyway. How accurate could the "Frisco" version be?

Today neither LHS  (FFAHS-far, far, away hobby shop, had catalog..one was closed, other had stacks back into 2017 but not this one). When is catalog "legally" available?  Gotta see to buy, and then, it has to be of interest.  I' rather go through it in shop than take an expensive one home with nothing in it.

??Another one of THOSE!!??  What you want to sell is not what I want to buy!

gunrunnerjohn posted:

No orders, but I will pick this up when it shows up at the dealers.  A TMCC docksider with good sound, fan driven smoke, four chuffs, cruise control, electrocouplers, etc. for $249.99 MSRP looks pretty good.

Me too! Looks close enough to "scale" for me too. 

-Greg

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I think my top choices are the Union Pacific #4141 SD70ACE and the Union Pacific #4141 60' Flag Boxcar. After that I will strongly consider the Youngstown S-2 and Penn Central Flat Spot Freightsounds PS1 Boxcar. I'll have to wait and see but I like the Chessie System l12 Caboose.

If I had more money than I knew what to do with:

US Army Transportation Corps #1945 4-6-6T

Florida East Coast #105 SD70ACE

Penn Central F7 AA Set

 

D500 posted:
Blue Streak posted:

The Frisco 4524 has my attention as well - just wish it had a coal tender like it should. May be my sort of fantasy engine for the year.

The Cotton Belt F7's will be #1 on my order form

Just for the heck of it - I was curious - I looked up the Frisco 4-8-4's in Collias' book Frisco Power, to find out that only 3 of these locos were indeed oil-burners - 4500, 4501, 4502. You probably already know that.

Four 4-8-4's were preserved, per the book, and, oddly, 2 of them were oil-burners (4500 and 4501), and, to make matters more annoying, 4524 is indeed preserved, but it's a coal-burner. 

Oh, well - the model is of an ATSF 4-8-4 and tender anyway. How accurate could the "Frisco" version be?

Yes All of the engines I am most interested in besides the Cotton Belt F7's (already ordered) are sort of fantasy's. 

Frisco 4500 "Meteor" The engine is fairly close and it was an oil burner but that flat top tender just does not look good. 

Frisco 4524 was a coal burner

Missouri Pacific 2202 was  a coal burner

Rock Island 5100 is kind of a mix between 5000 class (tender - I have pics of 5051 and 5049 with a similar oil tender) but the engine looks more like the 5100 class. 

I already suggested to Ryan why not use the tender from the C&O T1 in the last catalog. That would basically fix the Mopac engine easily, Frisco 4524 - although the top of the tender did not have sloped sides and the 4500 would look much more correct. Just take the coal load out and add some plates and call it new tooling on the cheap. 4500 would then be a winner.

They did this sort of with the EM-1's in the catalog (mixing up the tenders) But only me suggesting these things will not get this done - need others to suggest it. I would go for all 4 if they did some simple fixes.

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The NS OCS has my attention, and it looks like the new executive cars will be the proper color and slightly different from the previously released cars..will be curious to see if they have the high gloss finish as well. I also really like the Alaska set!

I don't plan on ordering anything from the catalog.  But to be fair, there is very little that I need to have, so it would have to be a real special item for me to pre-order.

I think the re-release of the I-12 cabeese will be a hit, as the ones from the original release go for a lot more than the original asking price on eBay.  I have a B&O one that I like very much!

I was shocked at the price for the 2-pack 18" ATSF heavy weight sets!    A two-car set lists for $400!!!  Even with the highly discounted pre-order price, the price is $290.  I purchased a NOS coach from the original release at this past York for less than $80, and I kick myself for not buying the baggage car as well!

Jim

Formerly Historic Frederick County, Maryland.  Now close to Baltimore.  Modeling both the Reading and B&O Railroads.

 

Alastar 'Bear' 3/8/06 - 8/24/15, one heckuva great dog!

Probably a B&O I12 cabin car, the 1955 - 1965 version; especially if it is easy to convert to two-rail. I had a brass one (Max Gray, I think) that I traded to a friend for a CLW SD40, now I wish that I had not. I also would like to get the baggage car with Bush's casket displayed but that may only be available in the funeral train set. I pre-ordered the MTH 4141 in two-rail and the MTH baggage car but it is only 72' car, the Lionel one seems to be an 85' car.

Later Gator,

  Dave

 

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Heading to Gatow with a load of coal.
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Nothing jumps out at me.  Not sure how many big boys and em-1 s we need.   But I guess it’s too expensive for something really new to be tooled anymore.  I’d really like to see something that has not been done by Lionel before or something really new.  Also no operating accessories which I love.  But it still has lots of stuff for people that missed them before.  So pretty good vol 2 catalog.

Sean

booker110 posted:

The NS OCS has my attention, and it looks like the new executive cars will be the proper color and slightly different from the previously released cars..will be curious to see if they have the high gloss finish as well. I also really like the Alaska set!

It will be interesting to see I have all the cars on order. I know the theater car was a little too red, but would be nice if they match.  I would also like to see the F units numbered 270,271,275, & 276, regardless I’m still getting them. 

Brandon Cole posted:
booker110 posted:

The NS OCS has my attention, and it looks like the new executive cars will be the proper color and slightly different from the previously released cars..will be curious to see if they have the high gloss finish as well. I also really like the Alaska set!

It will be interesting to see I have all the cars on order. I know the theater car was a little too red, but would be nice if they match.  I would also like to see the F units numbered 270,271,275, & 276, regardless I’m still getting them. 

Notch 6 podcast Ryan knuckle says they will probably rerun theater car, cause new ocs cars will be darker and not match.

tom21pa posted:
Brandon Cole posted:
booker110 posted:

The NS OCS has my attention, and it looks like the new executive cars will be the proper color and slightly different from the previously released cars..will be curious to see if they have the high gloss finish as well. I also really like the Alaska set!

It will be interesting to see I have all the cars on order. I know the theater car was a little too red, but would be nice if they match.  I would also like to see the F units numbered 270,271,275, & 276, regardless I’m still getting them. 

Notch 6 podcast Ryan knuckle says they will probably rerun theater car, cause new ocs cars will be darker and not match.

Just listened to the podcast answered both my questions. Only thing I wonder now is will the Norfolk Southern cars that are in the 2019 catalog with 611 be the darker shade of red. One would think. 

Brandon Cole posted:
tom21pa posted:
Brandon Cole posted:
booker110 posted:

The NS OCS has my attention, and it looks like the new executive cars will be the proper color and slightly different from the previously released cars..will be curious to see if they have the high gloss finish as well. I also really like the Alaska set!

It will be interesting to see I have all the cars on order. I know the theater car was a little too red, but would be nice if they match.  I would also like to see the F units numbered 270,271,275, & 276, regardless I’m still getting them. 

Notch 6 podcast Ryan knuckle says they will probably rerun theater car, cause new ocs cars will be darker and not match.

Just listened to the podcast answered both my questions. Only thing I wonder now is will the Norfolk Southern cars that are in the 2019 catalog with 611 be the darker shade of red. One would think. 

The hep equipment on the roof looks wrong too on the ocs, it's supposed to be two mufflers up there, looks nothing like mufflers to me.

Lou1985 posted:

Nothing. I'm still waiting on my SFRD freight sounds refrigerator from 2018 V2, REA baggage car from 2019 V1, and a Santa Fe R50B refrigerator from MTH 2019 V1. 

I'd like an ATSF 3751 class Northern, but I lack the cash necessary for purchase. 

After looking at the full catalog this still stands. Nothing I would like to order I can afford, so no preorders for me. 

Santa Fe, All the Way

This is a great catalog with probably the best toy train catalog cover ... ever.  I like what Lionel is doing with the product line.

A quick first pass through the catalog and I've found that "I need" (and will order) the Cotton Belt ABBA (beautiful black widow set), the SP S-4, and probably the SP and Santa Fe Disconnect sets.  More, later, I suspect.  

 

 

RT   

Nothing for me as a pre order.  I just have too much from Volume 1 on order.  I do like the NS Business units but again my $$ went to the first catalog.  I like the PRR disconnect passenger cars.

I really like this catalog though.  I think they did a great job for a second catalog of the year!

Marty

 

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I liked the new catalog. I was hoping not to find anything in it because I bought a ton of stuff from the last catalog. But again it was not the case LOL. I still have to place my order but here is what I am getting.

Canadian National tank engine

8 PS-1 soundcars

7 60' box cars

2 Therm ice reefers

Deep Rock and Sinclair tank cars

Manufacturers Railway set

Extra tank car to go with set......................................Paul 2

paul 2 posted:

I liked the new catalog. I was hoping not to find anything in it because I bought a ton of stuff from the last catalog. But again it was not the case LOL. I still have to place my order but here is what I am getting.

8 PS-1 soundcars

 

After the fiasco with the first sound cars having repeated banging echo rather than flange squeal I'll have to hear these first. Was track side at an event with 9 trains passing in less than three hours. Sound wise the random flange squeal frequency far surpasses cars with flat spots in the consists. There will need to be a quick TMCC/Legacy way to turn it on and off rather than turning the car over.

I think this is a great catalog. If money weren't an object is be ordering a ton from it. That being said, it is so I'll have to limit myself. 

I plan on ordering the 4014 excursion version (although first run is cool), the 4141 funeral train set, and probably one odd the additional excursion car 2 packs. 

Stuff I like but won't buy due to money includes the Jupiter and 119 plus matching cars, ACL 4-8-4, NS OCS, Alaska RR set, and the Southern dome car. 

I’ll order a few of the PS1 boxcars (now that the thumbtacks have been killed), the PolEx caboose, and a soon-to-be-announced special run F7 from one of the dealers. I’m really trying to talk myself out of an ATSF Northern. So far, so good, but it’s early. 

Rider Sandman posted:

I’ll order a few of the PS1 boxcars (now that the thumbtacks have been killed), the PolEx caboose, and a soon-to-be-announced special run F7 from one of the dealers. I’m really trying to talk myself out of an ATSF Northern. So far, so good, but it’s early. 

I saw a custom run F3 - Central of Georgia on Legacy Stations website (Tempting). Interested in what F7's you are talking about. Wish there was a way to know all the special runs being done so one could decide before jumping. I of course already ordered the Cotton Belt - Waited a long time for these. But some Frisco (Correctly Done) or Missouri Pacific would be great. Or maybe some correctly done L&N (black & Cream).

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Just received this e-mail from Trainworld • Trainland

Maybe the next "Lionel Catalog" will have this locomotive, seems like the HO crew always get's new items first.

1 Bachmann Charger Amtrak2 Bachmann Charger Amtrak

The Amtrak Charger goes right by my train room, be cool to have this loco on my layout. 

Maybe the next catalog: Gary

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Anyone planning to order the Bush 4141 without the cars, consider buying the set and I will take the cars. Given the pre order price for the set vs the engine and cars you will save a few bucks if we split the cost. You buying the set means you will have the warranty on the engine. I have no interest in a warranty on the cars. PM me if this interests you.

Pete

NUTHIN!! -That's new stuff  for all you well-off dudes...  For me, if it ain't used, ain't on ebay or auction, ain't available at a train show or swap meet, then it tain't mine! DCC or DCS? TMCC? Legacy? 'Lion Chief'? Sound? -NOPE! -Give me a good old fashioned open-frame motor where I can still hear the electric hum and buzz and still smell the ozone... Let me hear the actual real sound of small metal wheels click-tracking over tubular track and I'm in toy train heaven! I don't really care about fancy complicated bells and whistles nor the latest electronic gadgets. (And if I ever do, I can wait. -It'll all depreciate soon enough...  ;>})

Skip


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I’m with GRJ, I ordered the BETD Porter.  The price is right and it gives me a chance to try out LC+ 2.0.  It can haul scrape  in gondolas from the yard. I wonder if BETD gondolas will be offered.  On the other hand, since #15 is now Thomas, maybe Sodor will do 😝

Steve

A lot of stuff I like but unfortunately I don’t think I will be ordering any of them. I have been waiting for Lionel to do a Legacy PRR T1 for some time now. Don’t know why they don’t I think it would be a big seller especially if they offer a as built, in service and a near end version. Here is the stuff I like:

     4-4-0 Hybrid PRR - a lot of money for a engine not in my modeling era

     4-6-6T US Army - nice but need a 45% discount to put it in line with what I paid for my H10, B6 and E6 Legacy Steamers

     G Bush SD70Ace #4141 - Great President, war hero may regret not ordering this one

     Morristown & Erie S2 #14 - Saw the M&E go buy when I worked for Nabisco in their East Hanover NJ Location another may regret 

     Penn Central F7 AA set w super base B Unit - As a PRR fan I just can’t buy Penn Central

    Alaska F 7 Passenger Train - love the colors I don’t run 21” passenger cars

    NS Business F7 Train - see above

    PRR Catenary View Dome Car - Love the name see above 

    PRR 60” Boxcars - too big for my era on the PRR

    PRR 0-6-0T Switcher - may pick up later if on sale or at a train show

    Shark Research and Rescue Train Get - I don’t do non scale but love the fins. Who gets rescued the shark or its victims?

     Prisoners 6 pack - because I am a republican

     HO Army Hospital Train Set - not my scale but nice set.

JohnB

JohnB posted:

A lot of stuff I like but unfortunately I don’t  I have been waiting for Lionel to do a Legacy PRR T1 for some time now. Don’t know why they don’t I think it would be a big seller especially if they offer a as built, in service and a near end version.

I've heard they cannot make that engine (as well as the N&W Class A) due to losing a lawsuit with MTH decades ago. They can do the Lionmaster version, but not scale. 

Greywoulf posted:

NUTHIN!! -That's new stuff  for all you well-off dudes...  For me, if it ain't used, ain't on ebay or auction, ain't available at a train show or swap meet, then it tain't mine! DCC or DCS? TMCC? Legacy? 'Lion Chief'? Sound? -NOPE! -Give me a good old fashioned open-frame motor where I can still hear the electric hum and buzz and still smell the ozone... Let me hear the actual real sound of small metal wheels click-tracking over tubular track and I'm in toy train heaven! I don't really care about fancy complicated bells and whistles nor the latest electronic gadgets. (And if I ever do, I can wait. -It'll all depreciate soon enough...  ;>})

Skip

Skip, you have a Postwar heart and soul! That's a very good thing. LOL, Arnold

In my little world, I leave this troubled world behind.

Dear Lionel,

In all seriousness...

Instead of all these silly fantasy schemes....

If you really want to be smart at charging those prices just to burn up inventory, I would posit that you might be so much more successful if you just offered plain solid colors, black, green, red, blue, and grey along with a decal set of options so people could customize the locomotives with their own tabletop railroad/business/or nickname.

trainroomgary posted:

Just received this e-mail from Trainworld • Trainland

Maybe the next "Lionel Catalog" will have this locomotive, seems like the HO crew always get's new items first.

1 Bachmann Charger Amtrak2 Bachmann Charger Amtrak

The Amtrak Charger goes right by my train room, be cool to have this loco on my layout. 

Maybe the next catalog: Gary

Gary, I'm on the Lincoln Service #305 as I'm typing this.  Maybe I'll wave as I go by.......

Will Ebbert posted:
JohnB posted:

A lot of stuff I like but unfortunately I don’t  I have been waiting for Lionel to do a Legacy PRR T1 for some time now. Don’t know why they don’t I think it would be a big seller especially if they offer a as built, in service and a near end version.

I've heard they cannot make that engine (as well as the N&W Class A) due to losing a lawsuit with MTH decades ago. They can do the Lionmaster version, but not scale. 

And the Dreyfus Hudson. I don't know if they can't build it period, or if there are some terms and or conditions in the suit that prevent them from doing for some stretch of time. I wouldn't think that would be the case(but what do I know about that). It could be that they have to start from scratch on toolings, and haven't even got out of that box yet. One can never tell. I know I have mentioned it at York to Ryan on two occasions(Oct 2017, Oct 2018) about the Dreyfus.

shorling posted:

I’m with GRJ, I ordered the BETD Porter.  The price is right and it gives me a chance to try out LC+ 2.0.  It can haul scrape  in gondolas from the yard. I wonder if BETD gondolas will be offered.  On the other hand, since #15 is now Thomas, maybe Sodor will do 😝

Thought the same about gondolas for those 0-6-0s. They do have the new small dump cars (no specific livery)  located on the next page of the catalog. A 4-car set. I may consider those.

Edit: Item No. 2026010, Side dump car 4-pack.

TCA, LCCA

When I heard about the Penn Central F7 set I was all set to order it...... until I saw it was a post merger set.  I was hoping it was  all in PC black.

A few items interested me.  I may order all of them, some of them or none.

  • I-12 red B&O Caboose
  • UP Excursion add on passenger cars
  • Northern Central 4-4-0 #!& "York" & matching passenger cars (Only because I road this train)
  • Santa Fe 4-8-4  #3751 (I've always wanted one but I'm still on the fence. I like the matching passenger cars but I may look for a MTH set that has people in it and get the Stationsounds diner )

I'm still pondering a Legacy Challenger from last catalog.  I've had fairly good luck with Lionel, but I just don't know how long my luck will last.

That's not an insult, that is just a fact of life!

Brian

President, Chief Executive Officer

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"Serving the Basement"

 

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Eat, Sleep, Run Trains, Repeat !

I ordered the Bethlehem Steel version of the Docksider.  With all the features I thought the price was a misprint!  Can’t wait for it to arrive. 

Ed

 

"One TODAY is worth two TOMORROWS"

                             - Ben Franklin

ToledoEd posted:

I ordered the Bethlehem Steel version of the Docksider.  With all the features I thought the price was a misprint!  Can’t wait for it to arrive. 

I also just ordered a Docksider although it's the Brooklyn Terminal livery. I'm a big LC+ fan and am looking forward to my first LC 2.0 loco. 

TCA, LCCA

Well...finally tracked down a catalog....looked closely at the "#90"  in the "Strasburg" set, but it is an 0-8-0, and not a Decapod. Bummer!  The UTLX tankcar is HO, and not O.  Bummer!  Everything else looked like summer television.  Woe is me.

??Another one of THOSE!!??  What you want to sell is not what I want to buy!

Pre-ordering the LionChief 2.0 765 Berk for my birthday. Getting a logging disconnect caboose for my birthday as well. Going to convert it into a Narrow Gauge caboose for a yet-to-be-built three-rail O scale version of the Talyllyn Railway in Wales.

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turbine posted:

Is anyone in for a 2-8-8-4. on the fence with price

I would certainly like to own the Western Maryland version, but the price is way, way over my budget.  I am not saying it is overpriced, just that the most I could put into any engine is 1/3 of that.  

All Union Pacific for me although only passenger cars. In the UP Excursion line I have gone for (1) add on set #4 which is the one with the Lone Star Business Car and (2) the Promontory “Experience the Union Pacific” former RPO baggage car. 

The catalog illustration of the latter car shows it has six wheel trucks:

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Please pardon my ignorance but although this strikes me as definitely unusual compared to all of the other Excursion cars offered by Lionel, it seems to be accurate to the prototype, at least judging by the below image:

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Hancock52 posted:

All Union Pacific for me although only passenger cars. In the UP Excursion line I have gone for (1) add on set #4 which is the one with the Lone Star Business Car and (2) the Promontory “Experience the Union Pacific” former RPO baggage car. 

The catalog illustration of the latter car shows it has six wheel trucks:

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Please pardon my ignorance but although this strikes me as definitely unusual compared to all of the other Excursion cars offered by Lionel, it seems to be accurate to the prototype, at least judging by the below image:

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I would like to mention that Charles Ro, mr. muffins, and train world put the wrong photo for the #4 pack. It shows the wrong vista dome and the second car isn’t even the observation car. Any thoughts?

Trainmaster04 posted:
Hancock52 posted:

All Union Pacific for me although only passenger cars. In the UP Excursion line I have gone for (1) add on set #4 which is the one with the Lone Star Business Car and (2) the Promontory “Experience the Union Pacific” former RPO baggage car. 

The catalog illustration of the latter car shows it has six wheel trucks:

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Please pardon my ignorance but although this strikes me as definitely unusual compared to all of the other Excursion cars offered by Lionel, it seems to be accurate to the prototype, at least judging by the below image:

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I would like to mention that Charles Ro, mr. muffins, and train world put the wrong photo for the #4 pack. It shows the wrong vista dome and the second car isn’t even the observation car. Any thoughts?

A couple dealers have the wrong photos. 

Additionally, the catalog shows Lone Star and Kenefick with 4 wheel trucks, but I confirmed with Dave that they'll come with the correct 6 wheel trucks! 

Only thing of mild interest is the set of four side dump ore cars.....some items are unbelievable, such as all those super short cars on one truck. Could have provided a  list of items that R&D $ would have been better spent on.

??Another one of THOSE!!??  What you want to sell is not what I want to buy!

colorado hirailer posted:

Only thing of mild interest is the set of four side dump ore cars.....some items are unbelievable, such as all those super short cars on one truck. Could have provided a  list of items that R&D $ would have been better spent on.

I think the little passenger cars are a tad pricey, but as many catalogs and road names as they've been in, they seem to sell well. 

Will Ebbert posted:
Trainmaster04 posted:
Hancock52 posted:

All Union Pacific for me although only passenger cars. In the UP Excursion line I have gone for (1) add on set #4 which is the one with the Lone Star Business Car and (2) the Promontory “Experience the Union Pacific” former RPO baggage car. 

The catalog illustration of the latter car shows it has six wheel trucks:

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Please pardon my ignorance but although this strikes me as definitely unusual compared to all of the other Excursion cars offered by Lionel, it seems to be accurate to the prototype, at least judging by the below image:

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I would like to mention that Charles Ro, mr. muffins, and train world put the wrong photo for the #4 pack. It shows the wrong vista dome and the second car isn’t even the observation car. Any thoughts?

A couple dealers have the wrong photos. 

Additionally, the catalog shows Lone Star and Kenefick with 4 wheel trucks, but I confirmed with Dave that they'll come with the correct 6 wheel trucks! 

That sounds Great! Now we have to hope that they look as good as the photos. 

Trainmaster04 posted:
Hancock52 posted:

All Union Pacific for me although only passenger cars. In the UP Excursion line I have gone for (1) add on set #4 which is the one with the Lone Star Business Car and (2) the Promontory “Experience the Union Pacific” former RPO baggage car. 

The catalog illustration of the latter car shows it has six wheel trucks:

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Please pardon my ignorance but although this strikes me as definitely unusual compared to all of the other Excursion cars offered by Lionel, it seems to be accurate to the prototype, at least judging by the below image:

25497C2D-47E5-4895-A7D8-65E993E0C10A

 

 

I would like to mention that Charles Ro, mr. muffins, and train world put the wrong photo for the #4 pack. It shows the wrong vista dome and the second car isn’t even the observation car. Any thoughts?

Lionel made photos available to dealers before the catalog release so they could be prepared the day of the official release with prices. The 4 pack photo was the same as the 3 pack photo. Many used that photo instead of the one in the catalog.

Hopefully the catalog is correct.

Like Hancock my only order will be UP cars but with 2 of the #4 add ons. One Lone Star will get relettered for Kenefick.

I just noticed  the Funeral train set will have another Overland diner. This car was offered in with the Excursion cars already. I know the sounds will be different but a 2066 Power Car would have been a better choice IMO as it has never been done in O scale.

Pete

Trainmaster04 posted:
Will Ebbert posted:
Trainmaster04 posted:

I would like to mention that Charles Ro, mr. muffins, and train world put the wrong photo for the #4 pack. It shows the wrong vista dome and the second car isn’t even the observation car. Any thoughts?

A couple dealers have the wrong photos. 

Additionally, the catalog shows Lone Star and Kenefick with 4 wheel trucks, but I confirmed with Dave that they'll come with the correct 6 wheel trucks! 

That sounds Great! Now we have to hope that they look as good as the photos. 

It’s odd but Nassau have the wrong photo for the #4 set as well but I am sure they’ll ship the right one.

The six wheel trucks of the Business Cars completely escaped my attention but I am glad to have confirmation that the two Lionel are making will have them. I did not look beyond the catalog description and illustrations although these cars are described as having new tooling.

However I am expecting that Lionel will make these with fairly “generic” details as I expect they intend to issue such cars in other road names. Looking around for exterior and interior details of the real thing (and the interiors matter to me as these cars have a very different configuration than any of the Lionel 21” car interiors issued to date), I found several illustrations of Lone Star:

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The above shows it with what looks like caboose-like marker lights in addition to all the other rear lighting. It doesn’t appear always to have been configured that way:

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Often when I am researching passenger car details I check out what has been produced in HO scale brass models, which are anything but “generic” and the manufacturer’s research is good enough for me/my purposes. I know that Overland modeled the Business Cars including Lone Star a few years back:

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To be honest I have no idea what some of that roof detail i.e. at the rear of the car is about but I definitely don’t expect Lionel to replicate it. I think I could probably scratchbuild some of those parts.

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Norton posted:
Trainmaster04 posted:
Hancock52 posted:

Hopefully the catalog is correct.

Like Hancock my only order will be UP cars but with 2 of the #4 add ons. One Lone Star will get relettered for Kenefick.

I just noticed  the Funeral train set will have another Overland diner. This car was offered in with the Excursion cars already. I know the sounds will be different but a 2066 Power Car would have been a better choice IMO as it has never been done in O scale.

Pete

As nice as the power car would be, that would require more all new tooling which is not cheap. 

Will Ebbert posted:

 

As nice as the power car would be, that would require more all new tooling which is not cheap. 

Anyone interested in this train would be more than willing pay. Look at how many are jumping at the chance to pay 500 bucks for traditional GG1s when they can be had for a 5th of the cost all day long.

Pete

Will Ebbert posted:
Norton posted:
Trainmaster04 posted:
Hancock52 posted:

Hopefully the catalog is correct.

Like Hancock my only order will be UP cars but with 2 of the #4 add ons. One Lone Star will get relettered for Kenefick.

I just noticed  the Funeral train set will have another Overland diner. This car was offered in with the Excursion cars already. I know the sounds will be different but a 2066 Power Car would have been a better choice IMO as it has never been done in O scale.

Pete

As nice as the power car would be, that would require more all new tooling which is not cheap. 

I regard the generator cars as a poor man’s version of the much bigger and more elaborate 2066 power car. Yes, a proper version of that would require new tooling but the ability to produce new and more prototypical models was supposed to be an advantage of going over to ABS plastic instead of aluminum.

Anyway I have looked into making the generator car included in the original UP Excursion Train set a rough facsimile of  2066 by adding the roof detail. Models of that car have been produced in N and HO scale.

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It could only be a facsimile because the generator car is a short wheelbase model and the window/side treatments are completely different from the above.

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ATSF Northern 3757 (I have the 2014 versions of 3751 and 3759), the California Limited heavyweight cars and the ATSF switcher.   (I'm modeling transition-era Santa Fe, so these will fit right in).    But it is disappointing that everything gets more and more expensive and there is very little that is genuinely new.   Seems like with both Lionel and MTH, everything is on a 4-6 year cycle of repetition.   I don't see any improvements to the ATSF northern from 2014, and how many Big Boy and Challenger variants can anyone need? 

I may be interested in the Frisco 4500. However I have visited the prototype in Tulsa numerous times and I am  concerned that I will be disappointed when the Lionel Model arrives.

I’m sure you are only getting a blue paint  job on a generic 4 8 4 so more than likely l will pass on purchasing one.

The $1,599 retail price is approaching the price of a highly detailed prototypical correct brass model.

 Thanks,

Richard Gonzales 

 

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Richard Gonzales posted:

I may be interested in the Frisco 4500. However I have visited the prototype in Tulsa numerous times and I am  concerned that I will be disappointed when the Lionel Model arrives.

I’m sure you are only getting a blue paint  job on a generic 4 8 4 so more than likely l will pass on purchasing one.

The $1,599 retail price is approaching the price of a highly detailed prototypical correct brass model.

FWIW, the price being asked by one of the main dealers is $1,280 so roughly $300 off retail/MSRP.

However, that does not answer your other concerns about what you'll a actually be getting, which in my case applies across all of the Legacy steam engine offerings in this catalog that I might have been interested in.

I have taken the plunge and ordered the 21" passenger cars I have mentioned above but only because I think Lionel has worked out the kinks in the manufacturing of these.

Quite a lot actually. I did manage to get my order settled and brought it with me yesterday when I picked up my caboose.

CP Jupiter(the painted one)

UP #119(the painted one)

Pennsy #573

UP, CP, Pennsy 1860 passenger cars, along with Woodruff sleeping & parlor car

B&O EM-1 #7609(really been looking forward to seeing this one)

Santa Fe Northern Class 3751 #3759

Santa Fe California Limited Pack A, B, & C & Stationsounds diner #1406

Four 40' Reefers(Santa Fe &  Pacific Fruit Express)

All 5 8,000 gallon tank cars

& finally B&O C2428 L12 caboose

This was definitely a list I tinkered with for some time, as I wasn't exactly sure if I would be getting everything on it. I realized though that everything on my list was exactly what I wanted. I did cheat a little with the reefers and the 8K tank cars, they weren't originally on my list, but I found I liked them quite a bit, so I added them.

Mark Boyce posted:

Wow Dave!  What a list!  To me the gem is the B&O M1.  I would go for the Western Maryland version if I was buying!

Yeah, that is quite a list. Tony's daughter Chrissy says that I have ordered just as much before, but everything I have looked at is usually around 16 items, not 23. I did mention that her father writes bigger, and she mentioned he's left handed, so I guess that makes it so he's filling more lines(I think she said their order sheets have 25 lines).

It would definitely be interesting if WM did have an EM-1, that would be something. I was surprised when first looking in the catalog that there are so many "fantasy" paint schemes because B&O were they only real ones. I guess its to aspire to inspire someone.

Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:
Mark Boyce posted:

Wow Dave!  What a list!  To me the gem is the B&O M1.  I would go for the Western Maryland version if I was buying!

Yeah, that is quite a list. Tony's daughter Chrissy says that I have ordered just as much before, but everything I have looked at is usually around 16 items, not 23. I did mention that her father writes bigger, and she mentioned he's left handed, so I guess that makes it so he's filling more lines(I think she said their order sheets have 25 lines).

It would definitely be interesting if WM did have an EM-1, that would be something. I was surprised when first looking in the catalog that there are so many "fantasy" paint schemes because B&O were they only real ones. I guess its to aspire to inspire someone.

You are right about the fantasy schemes!  The fantasy for me is thinking I could afford it anyway, so no worries about me trying to run it on my layout anyway!!

SO much to like here! They listened to my pleas for more Conrail Locos!

TWO Legacy Conrail SD38s! Plus some Norfolk Southerns too!

Norfolk Southern 21" passenger cars!

Wifi Camera cars! Pennsylvania! Southern! AMTRAK!

LED Flag Box cars!

TWO LionChief Plus 2.0 Conrail SD80MACs! Plus NS too!

FIVE LionChief Plus 2.0 GG1s!!

Strasburg Railroad set!

Even some HO stuff!!

 

WOW! My poor wallet!! And my poor wife! haha

I'm a PA Conrail man, including before (PRR, PC, etc), and after (NS, CSX).

 

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