J Daddy posted:
Super O Bob posted:
J Daddy posted:

Yes first catalog ever I will not be buying a thing!!!!

tenor

 

I will be more than making up for you!

I really will love this catalog!  They just get better and better...  hats off to Lionel...  can't wait to order...

Wonder what dealer exclusives there will be on the 4-8-4 and EM1's???

 

It's all you can eat Bob! I'm done with fantasy rehash...

It's a UP fans dream...  lots of UP goodies...  new tooling...  gonna be a great catalog!

Bob

Lionel Fan and Super "O" Track Enthusiast

fl9turbo2 posted:
Dennis LaGrua posted:

Certainly a nice catalog with some good stuff that is market specific. I believe that the model train market has reached a point where the demographics of those that buy the trains plays more heavily into the decision making process of the train companies for new products . The focus now seems to be mainly in the narrow market niche for the premium full featured trains.  While I appreciate the, strategy not all train operators and collectors participate in this market.  At this point perhaps the conventional operator may have few choices.

That's a great perspective, and you are right as the manufactures now have this idea to "Target" there sales they may not realize there will be a wall they will hit with the high end market, And even the medium market with the same stuff, There is only so much you can put into a locomotive I hope they will find out people will get to the point when they just look at a catalog and sigh. I am not picking on any one manufacture its the same with all of them, I pray that this is not the norm but if it is then maybe my days of buying new or BTO will come to a end, I guess I miss the days when you looked at the catalog and said "WOW" I just don't get that way anymore   

I get more excited over the newest offerings from Menards then the new Lionel Catalog   how sad is that

Rusty Traque posted:
EscapeRocks posted:
Keystone posted:

I agree w/ MartyE that at this point in the game, Lionel should stop the alleged dramatics or pressure on dealers or forum providers and just place the new catalog online.

That makes sense.. That way the dealers with no integrity will be rewarded for going against Lionel's wishes.

It's the dealers with the alleged "no integrity" that will continue to take orders and send Lionel money...  I'm sure Lionel has no problem with that.

Rusty

Escape/R, thanks for that back-handed compliment.  Sounds like we have our "GO TO" person for Lionel policies and procedures.  Why then ship cases of printed catalogs to your dealers more than 2 weeks in advance of the online version release date and then expect this small band of retailers to put them in the corner for 2 weeks and not attempt to generate sales while the train hobby economy continues to contract?  These same small business owners must now adhere to MAP restrictions, larger minimum order quantities, less quality control and related limited parts and arguably one of the biggest fails in company/dealer integrity: the significantly below dealer cost direct sale blowouts via Amazon.

FYI, your ride is waiting...

EscapeRocks posted:

waa

 

You can have a steam train ...If you'd just lay down your tracks.

Well, being not a BB fan I suppose it really does depend on what exactly it has in it. I know from the prior offering I thought the depleting coal load was a little nuts. My thoughts were that the rubber would where out and tear eventually and probably be a pain to replace. Of course, those BB's that are currently out on eBay are extremely high priced. I believe several were $4000+ one being almost $5000.

That being said however, its the lottery eBay out there. I've seen some stuff very overpriced for what it is and sure others have as sell. Regardless of all that, someone will buy them very whatever reasons or not buy them for the same token.

I called into my LTS and yes, there's a new catalog waiting for me. I don't believe that there was some kind of barrier or rule that dealers couldn't hand out the catalogs until such date, that would be nuts. It is smart business for the LTS's to get them out as soon as possible to get what orders they can ahead of the deadline.

So, I'll get my eyes on it tomorrow evening and see what is tickling my fancy. I did see somewhere on here about the EM-1's and will consider getting one of them after seeing what all is offered and best suits if I go for it.

Thinking about it...  getting the catalog FIRST from your own personal guy you buy your trains from is great building relationship for all the dealers.  

I like it better than just seeing it online.  I prefer the personal touch of my LHS to get the first look at the new catalog...

 

 

Bob

Lionel Fan and Super "O" Track Enthusiast

Sounds like another ambitious catalog attempting to provide a little bit for every niche in the hobby.  I can wait until the hard copy comes.  I doubt Lionel restricts storefront dealers from distributing catalogs.  Makes no sense, thus our getting in a high moral dudgeon about the nefarious early reports/releases may be much ado about something Lionel cares absolutely nothing about.

Consider this.  Giving storefront dealers the catalogs and letting them do as they wish 2-3 weeks before the on-line versions are available gives their storefront dealers a bit of an advantage compared with on-line only operations that Lionel has always tried to discourage.  I doubt it makes much difference these days,  as Charles Ro, Trainworld, etc. are both storefront and on-line, so you can always call and ask for a catalog.  There are children without enough to eat in our nation, so I save my outrage for bigger issues, personally.

As for dwindling enthusiasm, that is a sad fact of life in general.  Were you most excited about trains as a 10 year old on Christmas morning, say, or now in your 70s?  As Byron wrote, "we'll go no more aroving, so late into the night.....  The sword outwears the sheath, etc."  All things that gave us pleasure can become less exciting over time, and we just don't have the passion or energy for "X" as much as we did when we were young and the world was new.

 I still enjoy the catalogs decades on, but, unsurprisingly, to me,  the intensity and desire to acquire stuff (not to mention space) are diminished.  Fun, but not as thrilling as once was.   So it's not about Lionel, it may be about me and you. .

There's a whole forum where disappointed, angry older men in the hobby complain about Lionel having betrayed them by having a few lemons in recent years.  What is really going on, at least in part, is clearly the curmudgeonly, self-involved disillusion that accompanies aging, at least in my experience.  It's not really Lionel, it's them/us, I believe.  If you read the comments of newer hobbyists and younger hobbyists the thrill of the catalog and the new trains is still very much part of their experience.  Please don't rain on their parade.  Life wears people down without help from the old/experienced.  Sermon over .

VistaDomeScott posted:

Anyone know it Lionel is offering other auto-train cars in this catalog? 

No, thats it. And no notes about more coming in the 2020 catalog... so I guess proceed at your own risk about getting the rest of the train. 

 

"Of course we know its O-gauge or no gauge." -- Sheldon Cooper

VistaDomeScott posted:

Screenshot_20190710-114610_Package installer~01Screenshot_20190710-114806_Photos~01Lionel, if you read any of this, your "auto -train" dome car has the wrong color trucks.  Trucks were painted the purple color.  

Gee Scott, why do you need Lionel to make these? You have your beautiful custom set already. 

I would never have noticed the trucks were purple, if you hadn't said so. 

Super O Bob posted:

Thinking about it...  getting the catalog FIRST from your own personal guy you buy your trains from is great building relationship for all the dealers.  

I like it better than just seeing it online.  I prefer the personal touch of my LHS to get the first look at the new catalog...

 

 

Absolutely Bob. I don't go just walking around the store pick up and pay. I will usually pop up to the desk and chat for a bit like some of the other regulars like myself. Talk other stuff not train related but always come back to that. I think we would all be poor human beings if we just came in and pointed out what we want, pay for and leave with nothing said. There is just something about talking trains, even if it is something you're not interested in much(like diesels for me, I like very few), but I'll still talk about it.

fl9turbo2 posted:
BobbyD posted:
Super O Bob posted:

It's a UP fans dream...  lots of UP goodies... new tooling...  gonna be a great catalog!

What is new?

nothing new just new paint jobs

The Kenefick and Lonestar cars for starters on new tooling. The vision domes are "new."

fl9turbo2 posted:
BobbyD posted:
Super O Bob posted:

It's a UP fans dream...  lots of UP goodies... new tooling...  gonna be a great catalog!

What is new?

nothing new just new paint jobs

Fake News!

 

New Big Boy...  lower cost... very cool cab floor and matching first run.

060 tank engine LC2.0 with tons of features!  Unreal retail at 250 or something like that.

New tooling on UP passenger cars, vista domes...  must be a new style.

New tooling UP buisness car...

New tooling UP baggage car...

New tooling NS F units with ditch lights.

New vista dome video cars!

Creative shark set...

Off top of my head......  edit: forgot to mention....

NEW TOOLING IS THE 19TH CENTURY PASSENGER CARS AND scale 4-4-0's...

Bob

Lionel Fan and Super "O" Track Enthusiast

Big_Boy_4005 posted:
VistaDomeScott posted:

Screenshot_20190710-114610_Package installer~01Screenshot_20190710-114806_Photos~01Lionel, if you read any of this, your "auto -train" dome car has the wrong color trucks.  Trucks were painted the purple color.  

Gee Scott, why do you need Lionel to make these? You have your beautiful custom set already. 

I would never have noticed the trucks were purple, if you hadn't said so. 

I am happy with my custom set for sure, there could be room for a couple more cars if Lionel colors are close though.  Im glad to see Lionel offer this though, I bet next they will offer VIA Rail blue cars since Christine is currently busy on a set of those. Lol.

Surefire posted:

I just want the rest of my Freedom Train 

So do I.  But Lionel's "when we get to it" and "its not a priority now" comments last October was not encouraging.

Ron

 

TCA, TTOS, NCT, LCCA, PRRT&HS

 

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prrhorseshoecurve posted:
tom21pa posted:

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Since the PRR didn't have any dome cars and these cars are made of plastic, could the dome be pulled out and filled in so the car can made into a coach or a sleeper?

Seems like too much effort when there are plenty of other PRR cars available. Maybe there is a market for fantasy equipment but a Pennsy dome car in a 21" scale car is unlikely in my opinion. Pennsy did lease domes in the winter from NP and used them on Florida trains.  As far as I know they remained in NP paint. 

Boilermaker1 posted:
VistaDomeScott posted:

Anyone know it Lionel is offering other auto-train cars in this catalog? 

No, thats it. And no notes about more coming in the 2020 catalog... so I guess proceed at your own risk about getting the rest of the train. 

You are not READING the catalog.  This page clearly says:  "paint schemes match existing and UPCOMING Lionel 21" passenger car sets".

 

So this is a NOTE about upcoming sets matching these cars.  These are Vista vision wifi camera video vista domes...

Bob

Lionel Fan and Super "O" Track Enthusiast

vash44 posted:
fl9turbo2 posted:
BobbyD posted:
Super O Bob posted:

It's a UP fans dream...  lots of UP goodies... new tooling...  gonna be a great catalog!

What is new?

nothing new just new paint jobs

The Kenefick and Lonestar cars for starters on new tooling. The vision domes are "new."

City of Portland clearly called out as new tooling...  Harriman UP Vista Domes are called out as NEW TOOLING, but it could be referring to the buisness car in the two pack...

Bob

Lionel Fan and Super "O" Track Enthusiast

Super O Bob posted:
Boilermaker1 posted:
VistaDomeScott posted:

Anyone know it Lionel is offering other auto-train cars in this catalog? 

No, thats it. And no notes about more coming in the 2020 catalog... so I guess proceed at your own risk about getting the rest of the train. 

You are not READING the catalog.  This page clearly says:  "paint schemes match existing and UPCOMING Lionel 21" passenger car sets".

 

So this is a NOTE about upcoming sets matching these cars.  These are Vista vision wifi camera video vista domes...

I can read it just fine. If you compare it to some of the previous "notes" Lionel has put in the catalog (including this one which specifically mentions UP1111 coming on a special flyer), the statement that it matches "upcoming" 21" passenger car sets is about as close to that CYA disclaimer inside the back cover as you can get. Upcoming could be next catalog of 3 years from now, who knows. And with all of these "expansion sets" that seem to keep appearing in subsequent catalogs, why buy a single car and hope for a set, when you'll probably be able to buy the set and then a bunch of expansion packs?

As far as the Auto Train is concerned, a set of passenger cars is useless without the auto racks (need new tooling) and the U36Bs (new tooling again). So, like i said, proceed at your own risk dropping $300 on a car that may or may not ever see a full train to go with it.

 

"Of course we know its O-gauge or no gauge." -- Sheldon Cooper

Boilermaker1 posted:
Super O Bob posted:
Boilermaker1 posted:
VistaDomeScott posted:

Anyone know it Lionel is offering other auto-train cars in this catalog? 

No, thats it. And no notes about more coming in the 2020 catalog... so I guess proceed at your own risk about getting the rest of the train. 

You are not READING the catalog.  This page clearly says:  "paint schemes match existing and UPCOMING Lionel 21" passenger car sets".

 

So this is a NOTE about upcoming sets matching these cars.  These are Vista vision wifi camera video vista domes...

I can read it just fine. If you compare it to some of the previous "notes" Lionel has put in the catalog (including this one which specifically mentions UP1111 coming on a special flyer), the statement that it matches "upcoming" 21" passenger car sets is about as close to that CYA disclaimer inside the back cover as you can get. Upcoming could be next catalog of 3 years from now, who knows. And with all of these "expansion sets" that seem to keep appearing in subsequent catalogs, why buy a single car and hope for a set, when you'll probably be able to buy the set and then a bunch of expansion packs?

As far as the Auto Train is concerned, a set of passenger cars is useless without the auto racks (need new tooling) and the U36Bs (new tooling again). So, like i said, proceed at your own risk dropping $300 on a car that may or may not ever see a full train to go with it.

?  But Lionel IS making the UP #1111.  And it will be in a special. ? Confirmed it today with Lionel...

You said no mention of future matching pass cars.  Clearly there is...  if demand is there they could do the rest...

Bob

Lionel Fan and Super "O" Track Enthusiast

Super O Bob posted:
Doug N posted:

Is that a NKP Alco switcher I see. O scale, Legacy?

 

 

Yup!  It Looks great!  Really colorful switchers!

I guess I am going to buy something from this catalog!

Doug N 

 

 

Chief Engineer of the "See & Owe" railroad. When I see something that I like I will soon owe someone for it.

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