New Lionel Volume 2

That BN/GN F-7 ABBA set is pretty wild. Quite a mish-mash. It may appeal to those who want to replicate the Amtrak Rainbow Era, perhaps.

To those unfamiliar with that, the set would probably just look weird.  

Rolling Stock? 

any lionchief plus 2.0 diesels and sets starter sets would be nice to see in v2

paigetrain posted:

any lionchief plus 2.0 diesels and sets starter sets would be nice to see in v2

LC+2.0 PRR and PC GG1 and SD80MACs, not sure on road names on them. 

Trainlover9943 posted:

paigetrain posted:

any lionchief plus 2.0 diesels and sets starter sets would be nice to see in v2

LC+2.0 PRR and PC GG1 and SD80MACs, not sure on road names on them. 

sd80macs? wow

paigetrain posted:

Trainlover9943 posted:

paigetrain posted:

any lionchief plus 2.0 diesels and sets starter sets would be nice to see in v2

LC+2.0 PRR and PC GG1 and SD80MACs, not sure on road names on them. 

sd80macs? wow

I believe there are the old Lionmaster tooling from the TMCC days as most of the LC+2.0 engines are. 

i know about the shark set any others ? what about the sd80mac roadnames

any new ho scale stuff

Shark car with moving fin is  nifty new use of the walking brakeman mechanism.

I doubt I'm personally interested in getting one, but it is pretty cool.  Hope it does well.

-Dave

Keep in mind that if you go through a good Lionel dealer, prices are usually reduced by a few hundred for the more expensive things.

Could you post pictures of the Blue B&O EM-1?

Did they offer any Baltimore & Ohio liveries in this run?

can someone post the starter sets and lionchief plus 2.0 stuff

and ho stuff

If you can believe catalog art.... four Union Pacific SD70AH engines (8937, 9069, 9088, 9096) each with the headlight in the wrong position.  Also, I believe that those 3, 9000 series engines are in real life Tier4.  

JFC454 posted:

If you can believe catalog art.... four Union Pacific SD70AH engines (8937, 9069, 9088, 9096) each with the headlight in the wrong position.  Also, I believe that those 3, 9000 series engines are in real life Tier4.  

Does that mean they have the different style can from a normal 70ace? And do they have nose mount headlight or cab mount?

JFC454 posted:

If you can believe catalog art.... four Union Pacific SD70AH engines (8937, 9069, 9088, 9096) each with the headlight in the wrong position.  Also, I believe that those 3, 9000 series engines are in real life Tier4.  

Actually, after looking more carefully, I think in real life the three 9000 series engines Lionel is offering are not Tier 4.  The UP Tier 4 engines look like they have 3 fan grills instead of just 2.  rrpicturearchives.net  lists them as 4TC.  I guess that means they are Tier4 Credit engines, not Tier 4 engines.  However, the actual pictures of 8937, 9069, 9088, and 9096 show headlights in the nose.  Maybe the catalog art is just not accurate.

Actual Tier 4 has the Raised Skyline Roof.

How many of you have bought the new catalog off of eBay? Of course you paid way too much because you can't wait two weeks or just go to your dealer and get it for free.

ill wait for mine.

Dave

NS6770Fan posted:

I would love to pick up one of the 4-6-6T’s, but at $1100, I could pick up a big steam loco. What happened to the $700-$800 price tag on smaller stuff?

They need to charge the big bucks in order to pay for repairing all of the stuff that wasn't done right the first time!

I can wait until the catalog comes out just so I don't have to look at all of these cheap no quality photos so many are posting!

Dave45681 posted:

Shark car with moving fin is  nifty new use of the walking brakeman mechanism.

I doubt I'm personally interested in getting one, but it is pretty cool.  Hope it does well.

-Dave

Besides a LC+2 GG-1 and an I-12 caboose, I will consider purchasing this Lionel "shark" starter set, do some kit bashing on the moving shark fin by applying a German "laughing" swordfish decal among other modifications.

As noted on page 35 of Volume Two, Lionel will shortly be doing this Union Pacific "1111."

scott.smith posted:

Trainlover9943 posted:

Are the docksiders LC+2.0 or just LC? 

LionChief Plus 2.0 Even lists TMCC and LionChief App in description.

Scott Smith

Lionel is also including front and rear "ElectroCouplers." In addition to TMCC, fan driven smoke, and "RailSounds," these 0-6-0's are worth consideration with a fair hobby store discount.

Like those 0-6-0 Docksider sets with the disconnect cars and logging cabooses.

Can someone post a picture of the dockside engines?

Dj'sOgaugetrains posted:

Can someone post a picture of the dockside engines?

I second this! Also, what rolling stock is being offered? 

Any scale cabooses?

Big Jim posted:

NS6770Fan posted:

I would love to pick up one of the 4-6-6T’s, but at $1100, I could pick up a big steam loco. What happened to the $700-$800 price tag on smaller stuff?

They need to charge the big bucks in order to pay for repairing all of the stuff that wasn't done right the first time!

I can wait until the catalog comes out just so I don't have to look at all of these cheap no quality photos so many are posting!

Go pick one up Jim. They are sitting on the counter. You can even post your own photos.

Scott Smith

scott.smith posted:

Big Jim posted:

NS6770Fan posted:

I would love to pick up one of the 4-6-6T’s, but at $1100, I could pick up a big steam loco. What happened to the $700-$800 price tag on smaller stuff?

They need to charge the big bucks in order to pay for repairing all of the stuff that wasn't done right the first time!

I can wait until the catalog comes out just so I don't have to look at all of these cheap no quality photos so many are posting!

Go pick one up Jim. They are sitting on the counter. You can even post your own photos.

Scott Smith

Yes and please post the starter set and lionchief plus 2.0 stuff please

Is this what the Lionel BDET dockside looks like? 

What does B.E.D.T stand for?

Blue Streak posted:

What does B.E.D.T stand for?

Brooklyn eastern district terminal

Dj'sOgaugetrains posted:

Is this what the Lionel BDET dockside looks like? 

Yes, that is what the BEDT Docksider looks like.

scott.smith posted:

Go pick one up Jim. They are sitting on the counter. You can even post your own photos.

Scott Smith

Picked one up after a haircut. 

J Daddy posted:

Yes first catalog ever I will not be buying a thing!!!!

 

I will be more than making up for you!

I really will love this catalog!  They just get better and better...  hats off to Lionel...  can't wait to order...

Wonder what dealer exclusives there will be on the 4-8-4 and EM1's???

dkdkrd posted:

 

Go pick one up Jim. They are sitting on the counter. 

 

Ah yes.....a sign of the times.......Internet dependence.

Us old pharts will remember the excitement of a road trip...with dad?....to the LHS to pick up that copy of the new catalog.   Or it's arrival in the snail-mail......as exciting as the arrival of the Secret Decoder Ring!

But,...Oh Wait!!  Those LHS's are essentially gone!.......a 'road trip' now may be a day's journey....or more!

Gee, if only Santa would 'spill the beans' 3 weeks ahead of the official date!...........NOT!

I know, I know......as Red Green sez, 'We're all in this together!'.   Nuttin' better to do than scan and post, scan and post, scan and post.

Oh, some of you wanted to know about freight cars?.....    There's a doozy selection on a couple pages....sure to create a new psychosis of PTSD.....Post Traumatic Sounds Disorder.   It's an assortment of flag-flavors of boxcars featuring the rhythmic hammering of a flat spot on a wheel.  Yepper.....Water-boarding has been superseded by sound.  And, joy of joys, just NOT like the prototype inspiration, this sound, traveling round and round on your basement oval, will NEVER leave you....or the spouse/kids/pets upstairs!....

Well?.......you asked for it.   And it ain't cheap, either.....so you can't turn it off!......waste of your money......right?

really are we already complaining if you don't like it don't buy it simple as for me if money wasn't issue i would love some sound cars anything to put me in element of the high speed heavy freight hauling APWR anyway its really complaining from what i heard that gets posts deleted

@Dave Olson  @Conrail6358

For the BN/NP/GN set I would have purchased an ABBA set of NP,  an ABBA set of BNs and an ABBA set of Big Sky GNs.  Any chance of seeing these done or getting other units made to make a matched set?  Waiting so long and really a shame you went with a mish mash combo instead of getting sets prior to the merger.

Make sure you buy a Norfolk southern theater car now, because the set in the catalog has no observation car to finish it off

Any pics of the new docksiders?  My LHS doesn't have catalogs yet.

I'm surprised the NS OCS's F7's aren't numbered to the new re-numbering.

any ho stuff

Super O Bob posted:

J Daddy posted:

Yes first catalog ever I will not be buying a thing!!!!

 

I will be more than making up for you!

I really will love this catalog!  They just get better and better...  hats off to Lionel...  can't wait to order...

Wonder what dealer exclusives there will be on the 4-8-4 and EM1's???

 

It's all you can eat Bob! I'm done with fantasy rehash...

tom21pa posted:

Very cool to see more Amtrak. Also stoked to see the Auto-train and the UP/NW dome.

Nice photos! What are the FTs doing in here? They were cataloged last book. 

between the shark set and the SD90s and gg1 me gonna need some big bucks

i tell you man the shark set stuff looks irresistable to me i can't wait to hear the sounds on that thing

The BEDT dockside looks fantastic! I’ll be in for my first lionchief engine!

Love the vista-vision series dome cars. That pennsy is a surprise! However there was one pennsy train that carried a run-through dome from the northern pacific. It was on the PRR’s south wind. 

Wonder if the auto train dome is a sign of a complete set to come......... I will definitely pre-order that. So far this is a fantastic catalog!

Haven’t seen the whole catalog yet, but so far the only thing that I’m interested in is the First Run Edition if the 4014

Would someone kindly display the o scale rolling stock.

Loving the BEDT 0-6-0t!  That one I'm definitely ordering!  Love 4-6-6 locos too but the price is way too rich for me lol

Brian DeFazio posted:

Loving the BEDT 0-6-0t!  That one I'm definitely ordering!  Love 4-6-6 locos too but the price is way too rich for me lol

I am with you and others on the 4-6-6 steam pricing. Personally, I would like to see a LC+2 version of this engine, maybe next time.

Been waiting for someone to license the K-Line 4-6-6Tank engine tooling for more than 10 years but at a $1,100 price tag Lionel can keep it.  Thankfully earlier I was recently able to find a greatly detailed and well maintained original K-Line TMCC version for less than 1/3 the newly cataloged Legacy version.  Although it may not have the richer sound of Legacy, I'm very happy w/ my earlier TMCC version and I didn't have to pre-order, be concerned with a potential cancellation or current factory quality issued AND NOT spend $1k!

I agree w/ MartyE that at this point in the game, Lionel should stop the alleged dramatics or pressure on dealers or forum providers and just place the new catalog online.  Otherwise, I've been more interested in watching PBS's three part amazing series on the USA's path for space travel and mission to the moon "American Experience: Chasing the Moon"

Really like the GG1 LionChief. Not sure which one I'll get

Vinny26/Scott.Smith (thanks for the tidbits) or anyone else with a copy.............Re: the S gauge Berks, does the description state that they are Flyerchief or Legacy? Thanks again.

Rich

vash44 posted:

tom21pa posted:

Very cool to see more Amtrak. Also stoked to see the Auto-train and the UP/NW dome.

Southern dome, very cool!!! More Amtrak, excellent!!!  Pre Amtrak auto - train , I hope they offer different car numbers than I had custom painted last year ! Are they offering other auto train cars?  How about Amtrak phase 3 paint, thats what Christine is making up for me as we speak.

I always like to keep my thoughts positive when new catalogs come out but considering the most I would pay for a 4-6-6 Tank engine would be $600 even with Legacy and whistle steam. That is the neighborhood my H10, E6, and B6 Legacy steamers were purchased. Dealers better sharpen their discount pencils so they can do at least 45% off . Fat chance!

JohnB

Perhaps we are seeing the tariffs starting to roll into the pricing.  Lionel has always been higher than the competition, but I have to think they are starting to also compensate for the increased cost in making the stuff in China.  I suspect others will have to follow.

Any commuter cars to go with the Boston and Albany Tank engine?  The reason I passed on the Kline version in the first place was that there were no cars to go with it and it would be an orphan.  No cars = no sale.

I will have to pass on this catalog as well from what I can see there is nothing I don't have already I like, I was disappointed that here would not be anything different to get me excited on this, If you want people to get excited don't just slap paint on a locomotive that clearly did not have it , Just seeing the EM-1 with a all blue paint job just makes me cringe, Try and make something new like when the camera caboose and theater cars came out  that's is what I get excited about something new, Price was never a consideration when I purchase but I already have a legacy EM-1 a Vision BB and I just got the MTH Bush Loco and special baggage car so its time to seek out different items

Keystone posted:

I agree w/ MartyE that at this point in the game, Lionel should stop the alleged dramatics or pressure on dealers or forum providers and just place the new catalog online.

That makes sense.. That way the dealers with no integrity will be rewarded for going against Lionel's wishes.

fl9turbo2 posted:

I will have to pass on this catalog as well from what I can see there is nothing I don't have already I like, I was disappointed that here would not be anything different to get me excited on this, If want people to get excited don't just slap paint on a locomotive that clearly did not have that, just seeing the EM-1 with a all blue paint job just makes me cringe, Try and make something new even if its just the camera caboose and theater cars that's is what I get excited about something new, Price was never a consideration when I purchase but I already have a legacy EM-1 a Vision BB and I just got the MTH Bush Loco and special baggage car so its time to seek out different items

EscapeRocks posted:

Keystone posted:

I agree w/ MartyE that at this point in the game, Lionel should stop the alleged dramatics or pressure on dealers or forum providers and just place the new catalog online.

That makes sense.. That way the dealers with no integrity will be rewarded for going against Lionel's wishes.

It's the dealers with the alleged "no integrity" that will continue to take orders and send Lionel money...  I'm sure Lionel has no problem with that.

Rusty

EscapeRocks posted:

fl9turbo2 posted:

I will have to pass on this catalog as well from what I can see there is nothing I don't have already I like, I was disappointed that here would not be anything different to get me excited on this, If want people to get excited don't just slap paint on a locomotive that clearly did not have that, just seeing the EM-1 with a all blue paint job just makes me cringe, Try and make something new even if its just the camera caboose and theater cars that's is what I get excited about something new, Price was never a consideration when I purchase but I already have a legacy EM-1 a Vision BB and I just got the MTH Bush Loco and special baggage car so its time to seek out different items

Personally, I really like this catalog from what I've seen so far!  If money was no object, I'd order a lot of it LOL

MartyE posted:

Perhaps we are seeing the tariffs starting to roll into the pricing.  Lionel has always been higher than the competition, but I have to think they are starting to also compensate for the increased cost in making the stuff in China.  I suspect others will have to follow.

I know that I recently got walloped with the 25% tariff on my last shipment of boards, a very unpleasant surprise!   I don't know if model trains are currently subject to the tariffs, if so I can't imagine prices not going up.

Brian DeFazio posted:

EscapeRocks posted:

fl9turbo2 posted:

I will have to pass on this catalog as well from what I can see there is nothing I don't have already I like, I was disappointed that here would not be anything different to get me excited on this, If want people to get excited don't just slap paint on a locomotive that clearly did not have that, just seeing the EM-1 with a all blue paint job just makes me cringe, Try and make something new even if its just the camera caboose and theater cars that's is what I get excited about something new, Price was never a consideration when I purchase but I already have a legacy EM-1 a Vision BB and I just got the MTH Bush Loco and special baggage car so its time to seek out different items

Personally, I really like this catalog from what I've seen so far!  If money was no object, I'd order a lot of it LOL

its not the money its just the same old stuff with different paint on them that gets old, if you don't have any of these its great. You have another chance to get one and for that then its a good catalog but if you already have these then you have to think about putting your money somewhere else

fl9turbo2 posted:

I will have to pass on this catalog as well from what I can see there is nothing I don't have already I like, I was disappointed that here would not be anything different to get me excited on this, If you want people to get excited don't just slap paint on a locomotive that clearly did not have it , Just seeing the EM-1 with a all blue paint job just makes me cringe, Try and make something new like when the camera caboose and theater cars came out  that's is what I get excited about something new, Price was never a consideration when I purchase but I already have a legacy EM-1 a Vision BB and I just got the MTH Bush Loco and special baggage car so its time to seek out different items

I really like your perspective on this. I can easily see your point. In my 2 years of collecting I have seen several products repeated. Due to space constraints, I tend (or at least try) to be strategic in my purchases of new items. One of which is the new Challenger and passenger car set, as this catalog favors many new UP cars it poses a danger to the play fund. The vision dome speaks to my fascination with UP/Amtrak and to something a bit different. 

vash44 posted:

fl9turbo2 posted:

I will have to pass on this catalog as well from what I can see there is nothing I don't have already I like, I was disappointed that here would not be anything different to get me excited on this, If you want people to get excited don't just slap paint on a locomotive that clearly did not have it , Just seeing the EM-1 with a all blue paint job just makes me cringe, Try and make something new like when the camera caboose and theater cars came out  that's is what I get excited about something new, Price was never a consideration when I purchase but I already have a legacy EM-1 a Vision BB and I just got the MTH Bush Loco and special baggage car so its time to seek out different items

I really like your perspective on this. I can easily see your point. In my 2 years of collecting I have seen several products repeated. Due to space constraints, I tend (or at least try) to be strategic in my purchases of new items. One of which is the new Challenger and passenger car set, as this catalog favors many new UP cars it poses a danger to the play fund. The vision dome speaks to my fascination with UP/Amtrak and to something a bit different. 

Thanks you, I have another perspective that many people may be asking does the new BB that comes out now makes the vision one less desirable, I have seen them go for big money in some cases due to the fact it was very revolutionary, Now that the new ones comes out does this not undercut that value, And I am not talking just money value I am talking  perceived desire because they were limited, So if you looking for a BB maybe you can find a vision one cheaper because of the new one

I suspect the new one won't have all the Vision Line detailing or features, so I don't see it undercutting it that much.  It really depends on what the new one is like, and exactly what street price point it hits.

Certainly a nice catalog with some good stuff that is market specific. I believe that the model train market has reached a point where the demographics of those that buy the trains plays more heavily into the decision making process of the train companies for new products . The focus now seems to be mainly in the narrow market niche for the premium full featured trains.  While I appreciate the, strategy not all train operators and collectors participate in this market.  At this point perhaps the conventional operator may have few choices.

Dennis LaGrua posted:

Certainly a nice catalog with some good stuff that is market specific. I believe that the model train market has reached a point where the demographics of those that buy the trains plays more heavily into the decision making process of the train companies for new products . The focus now seems to be mainly in the narrow market niche for the premium full featured trains.  While I appreciate the, strategy not all train operators and collectors participate in this market.  At this point perhaps the conventional operator may have few choices.

That's a great perspective, and you are right as the manufactures now have this idea to "Target" there sales they may not realize there will be a wall they will hit with the high end market, And even the medium market with the same stuff, There is only so much you can put into a locomotive I hope they will find out people will get to the point when they just look at a catalog and sigh. I am not picking on any one manufacture its the same with all of them, I pray that this is not the norm but if it is then maybe my days of buying new or BTO will come to a end, I guess I miss the days when you looked at the catalog and said "WOW" I just don't get that way anymore   

J Daddy posted:

Super O Bob posted:

J Daddy posted:

Yes first catalog ever I will not be buying a thing!!!!

 

I will be more than making up for you!

I really will love this catalog!  They just get better and better...  hats off to Lionel...  can't wait to order...

Wonder what dealer exclusives there will be on the 4-8-4 and EM1's???

 

It's all you can eat Bob! I'm done with fantasy rehash...

It's a UP fans dream...  lots of UP goodies...  new tooling...  gonna be a great catalog!

fl9turbo2 posted:

Dennis LaGrua posted:

Certainly a nice catalog with some good stuff that is market specific. I believe that the model train market has reached a point where the demographics of those that buy the trains plays more heavily into the decision making process of the train companies for new products . The focus now seems to be mainly in the narrow market niche for the premium full featured trains.  While I appreciate the, strategy not all train operators and collectors participate in this market.  At this point perhaps the conventional operator may have few choices.

That's a great perspective, and you are right as the manufactures now have this idea to "Target" there sales they may not realize there will be a wall they will hit with the high end market, And even the medium market with the same stuff, There is only so much you can put into a locomotive I hope they will find out people will get to the point when they just look at a catalog and sigh. I am not picking on any one manufacture its the same with all of them, I pray that this is not the norm but if it is then maybe my days of buying new or BTO will come to a end, I guess I miss the days when you looked at the catalog and said "WOW" I just don't get that way anymore   

I get more excited over the newest offerings from Menards then the new Lionel Catalog   how sad is that

Rusty Traque posted:

EscapeRocks posted:

Keystone posted:

I agree w/ MartyE that at this point in the game, Lionel should stop the alleged dramatics or pressure on dealers or forum providers and just place the new catalog online.

That makes sense.. That way the dealers with no integrity will be rewarded for going against Lionel's wishes.

It's the dealers with the alleged "no integrity" that will continue to take orders and send Lionel money...  I'm sure Lionel has no problem with that.

Rusty

Escape/R, thanks for that back-handed compliment.  Sounds like we have our "GO TO" person for Lionel policies and procedures.  Why then ship cases of printed catalogs to your dealers more than 2 weeks in advance of the online version release date and then expect this small band of retailers to put them in the corner for 2 weeks and not attempt to generate sales while the train hobby economy continues to contract?  These same small business owners must now adhere to MAP restrictions, larger minimum order quantities, less quality control and related limited parts and arguably one of the biggest fails in company/dealer integrity: the significantly below dealer cost direct sale blowouts via Amazon.

FYI, your ride is waiting...

EscapeRocks posted:

Lionel, if you read any of this, your "auto -train" dome car has the wrong color trucks.  Trucks were painted the purple color.  

Well, being not a BB fan I suppose it really does depend on what exactly it has in it. I know from the prior offering I thought the depleting coal load was a little nuts. My thoughts were that the rubber would where out and tear eventually and probably be a pain to replace. Of course, those BB's that are currently out on eBay are extremely high priced. I believe several were $4000+ one being almost $5000.

That being said however, its the lottery eBay out there. I've seen some stuff very overpriced for what it is and sure others have as sell. Regardless of all that, someone will buy them very whatever reasons or not buy them for the same token.

I called into my LTS and yes, there's a new catalog waiting for me. I don't believe that there was some kind of barrier or rule that dealers couldn't hand out the catalogs until such date, that would be nuts. It is smart business for the LTS's to get them out as soon as possible to get what orders they can ahead of the deadline.

So, I'll get my eyes on it tomorrow evening and see what is tickling my fancy. I did see somewhere on here about the EM-1's and will consider getting one of them after seeing what all is offered and best suits if I go for it.

Thinking about it...  getting the catalog FIRST from your own personal guy you buy your trains from is great building relationship for all the dealers.  

I like it better than just seeing it online.  I prefer the personal touch of my LHS to get the first look at the new catalog...

Anyone know it Lionel is offering other auto-train cars in this catalog? 

Sounds like another ambitious catalog attempting to provide a little bit for every niche in the hobby.  I can wait until the hard copy comes.  I doubt Lionel restricts storefront dealers from distributing catalogs.  Makes no sense, thus our getting in a high moral dudgeon about the nefarious early reports/releases may be much ado about something Lionel cares absolutely nothing about.

Consider this.  Giving storefront dealers the catalogs and letting them do as they wish 2-3 weeks before the on-line versions are available gives their storefront dealers a bit of an advantage compared with on-line only operations that Lionel has always tried to discourage.  I doubt it makes much difference these days,  as Charles Ro, Trainworld, etc. are both storefront and on-line, so you can always call and ask for a catalog.  There are children without enough to eat in our nation, so I save my outrage for bigger issues, personally.

As for dwindling enthusiasm, that is a sad fact of life in general.  Were you most excited about trains as a 10 year old on Christmas morning, say, or now in your 70s?  As Byron wrote, "we'll go no more aroving, so late into the night.....  The sword outwears the sheath, etc."  All things that gave us pleasure can become less exciting over time, and we just don't have the passion or energy for "X" as much as we did when we were young and the world was new.

 I still enjoy the catalogs decades on, but, unsurprisingly, to me,  the intensity and desire to acquire stuff (not to mention space) are diminished.  Fun, but not as thrilling as once was.   So it's not about Lionel, it may be about me and you. .

There's a whole forum where disappointed, angry older men in the hobby complain about Lionel having betrayed them by having a few lemons in recent years.  What is really going on, at least in part, is clearly the curmudgeonly, self-involved disillusion that accompanies aging, at least in my experience.  It's not really Lionel, it's them/us, I believe.  If you read the comments of newer hobbyists and younger hobbyists the thrill of the catalog and the new trains is still very much part of their experience.  Please don't rain on their parade.  Life wears people down without help from the old/experienced.  Sermon over .

VistaDomeScott posted:

Anyone know it Lionel is offering other auto-train cars in this catalog? 

No, thats it. And no notes about more coming in the 2020 catalog... so I guess proceed at your own risk about getting the rest of the train. 

VistaDomeScott posted:

Lionel, if you read any of this, your "auto -train" dome car has the wrong color trucks.  Trucks were painted the purple color.  

Gee Scott, why do you need Lionel to make these? You have your beautiful custom set already. 

I would never have noticed the trucks were purple, if you hadn't said so. 

paigetrain posted:

any ho stuff

Yes lots of new cars

Super O Bob posted:

Thinking about it...  getting the catalog FIRST from your own personal guy you buy your trains from is great building relationship for all the dealers.  

I like it better than just seeing it online.  I prefer the personal touch of my LHS to get the first look at the new catalog...

 

 

Absolutely Bob. I don't go just walking around the store pick up and pay. I will usually pop up to the desk and chat for a bit like some of the other regulars like myself. Talk other stuff not train related but always come back to that. I think we would all be poor human beings if we just came in and pointed out what we want, pay for and leave with nothing said. There is just something about talking trains, even if it is something you're not interested in much(like diesels for me, I like very few), but I'll still talk about it.

Super O Bob posted:

It's a UP fans dream...  lots of UP goodies... new tooling...  gonna be a great catalog!

What is new?

I just want the rest of my Freedom Train 

BobbyD posted:

Super O Bob posted:

It's a UP fans dream...  lots of UP goodies... new tooling...  gonna be a great catalog!

What is new?

nothing new just new paint jobs

fl9turbo2 posted:

BobbyD posted:

Super O Bob posted:

It's a UP fans dream...  lots of UP goodies... new tooling...  gonna be a great catalog!

What is new?

nothing new just new paint jobs

The Kenefick and Lonestar cars for starters on new tooling. The vision domes are "new."

fl9turbo2 posted:

BobbyD posted:

Super O Bob posted:

It's a UP fans dream...  lots of UP goodies... new tooling...  gonna be a great catalog!

What is new?

nothing new just new paint jobs

Fake News!

New Big Boy...  lower cost... very cool cab floor and matching first run.

060 tank engine LC2.0 with tons of features!  Unreal retail at 250 or something like that.

New tooling on UP passenger cars, vista domes...  must be a new style.

New tooling UP buisness car...

New tooling UP baggage car...

New tooling NS F units with ditch lights.

New vista dome video cars!

Creative shark set...

Off top of my head......  edit: forgot to mention....

NEW TOOLING IS THE 19TH CENTURY PASSENGER CARS AND scale 4-4-0's...

So what kind of scale rolling stock is being released

Big_Boy_4005 posted:

VistaDomeScott posted:

Lionel, if you read any of this, your "auto -train" dome car has the wrong color trucks.  Trucks were painted the purple color.  

Gee Scott, why do you need Lionel to make these? You have your beautiful custom set already. 

I would never have noticed the trucks were purple, if you hadn't said so. 

I am happy with my custom set for sure, there could be room for a couple more cars if Lionel colors are close though.  Im glad to see Lionel offer this though, I bet next they will offer VIA Rail blue cars since Christine is currently busy on a set of those. Lol.

tom21pa posted:

Since the PRR didn't have any dome cars and these cars are made of plastic, could the dome be pulled out and filled in so the car can made into a coach or a sleeper?

Surefire posted:

I just want the rest of my Freedom Train 

So do I.  But Lionel's "when we get to it" and "its not a priority now" comments last October was not encouraging.

prrhorseshoecurve posted:

tom21pa posted:

Since the PRR didn't have any dome cars and these cars are made of plastic, could the dome be pulled out and filled in so the car can made into a coach or a sleeper?

Seems like too much effort when there are plenty of other PRR cars available. Maybe there is a market for fantasy equipment but a Pennsy dome car in a 21" scale car is unlikely in my opinion. Pennsy did lease domes in the winter from NP and used them on Florida trains.  As far as I know they remained in NP paint. 

Boilermaker1 posted:

VistaDomeScott posted:

Anyone know it Lionel is offering other auto-train cars in this catalog? 

No, thats it. And no notes about more coming in the 2020 catalog... so I guess proceed at your own risk about getting the rest of the train. 

You are not READING the catalog.  This page clearly says:  "paint schemes match existing and UPCOMING Lionel 21" passenger car sets".

So this is a NOTE about upcoming sets matching these cars.  These are Vista vision wifi camera video vista domes...

I hope they make that hospital set in O scale! 

vash44 posted:

fl9turbo2 posted:

BobbyD posted:

Super O Bob posted:

It's a UP fans dream...  lots of UP goodies... new tooling...  gonna be a great catalog!

What is new?

nothing new just new paint jobs

The Kenefick and Lonestar cars for starters on new tooling. The vision domes are "new."

City of Portland clearly called out as new tooling...  Harriman UP Vista Domes are called out as NEW TOOLING, but it could be referring to the buisness car in the two pack...

Super O Bob posted:

Boilermaker1 posted:

VistaDomeScott posted:

Anyone know it Lionel is offering other auto-train cars in this catalog? 

No, thats it. And no notes about more coming in the 2020 catalog... so I guess proceed at your own risk about getting the rest of the train. 

You are not READING the catalog.  This page clearly says:  "paint schemes match existing and UPCOMING Lionel 21" passenger car sets".

 

So this is a NOTE about upcoming sets matching these cars.  These are Vista vision wifi camera video vista domes...

I can read it just fine. If you compare it to some of the previous "notes" Lionel has put in the catalog (including this one which specifically mentions UP1111 coming on a special flyer), the statement that it matches "upcoming" 21" passenger car sets is about as close to that CYA disclaimer inside the back cover as you can get. Upcoming could be next catalog of 3 years from now, who knows. And with all of these "expansion sets" that seem to keep appearing in subsequent catalogs, why buy a single car and hope for a set, when you'll probably be able to buy the set and then a bunch of expansion packs?

As far as the Auto Train is concerned, a set of passenger cars is useless without the auto racks (need new tooling) and the U36Bs (new tooling again). So, like i said, proceed at your own risk dropping $300 on a car that may or may not ever see a full train to go with it.

Boilermaker1 posted:

Super O Bob posted:

Boilermaker1 posted:

VistaDomeScott posted:

Anyone know it Lionel is offering other auto-train cars in this catalog? 

No, thats it. And no notes about more coming in the 2020 catalog... so I guess proceed at your own risk about getting the rest of the train. 

You are not READING the catalog.  This page clearly says:  "paint schemes match existing and UPCOMING Lionel 21" passenger car sets".

 

So this is a NOTE about upcoming sets matching these cars.  These are Vista vision wifi camera video vista domes...

I can read it just fine. If you compare it to some of the previous "notes" Lionel has put in the catalog (including this one which specifically mentions UP1111 coming on a special flyer), the statement that it matches "upcoming" 21" passenger car sets is about as close to that CYA disclaimer inside the back cover as you can get. Upcoming could be next catalog of 3 years from now, who knows. And with all of these "expansion sets" that seem to keep appearing in subsequent catalogs, why buy a single car and hope for a set, when you'll probably be able to buy the set and then a bunch of expansion packs?

As far as the Auto Train is concerned, a set of passenger cars is useless without the auto racks (need new tooling) and the U36Bs (new tooling again). So, like i said, proceed at your own risk dropping $300 on a car that may or may not ever see a full train to go with it.

?  But Lionel IS making the UP #1111.  And it will be in a special. ? Confirmed it today with Lionel...

You said no mention of future matching pass cars.  Clearly there is...  if demand is there they could do the rest...

Manufacturers Railway Set

I suppose it's pretty niche-y but I'm happy to see this.

I don't do S gauge, but that Army Hospital set attracted my eyes.

MikeH posted:

Manufacturers Railway Set

I suppose it's pretty niche-y but I'm happy to see this.

That’s an interesting set!

Nathan B posted:

I don't do S gauge, but that Army Hospital set attracted my eyes.

That's an HO set.

Rusty

Here are some more pics. Freight cars and S-2 and S-4 switchers. Sorry for the photo quality. All O gauge. Switchers are Legacy BTO. 

Dave Warburton posted:

Here are some more pics. Freight cars and S-2 and S-4 switchers. Sorry for the photo quality. All O gauge. Switchers are Legacy BTO. 

Thanks,that EL S-2 and some boxcars look fine

Is that a NKP Alco switcher I see. O scale, Legacy?

Doug N posted:

Is that a NKP Alco switcher I see. O scale, Legacy?

 

 

Yup!  It Looks great!  Really colorful switchers!

Super O Bob posted:

Doug N posted:

Is that a NKP Alco switcher I see. O scale, Legacy?

 

 

Yup!  It Looks great!  Really colorful switchers!

I guess I am going to buy something from this catalog!

Awesome Flat Spot sound box cars! I’ve been hoping they’d eventually come out!

Does anyone know what the price of the LionChief 2.0 GG1s is? I mainly model the Pennsy, so being one of their most iconic locomotives, although not scale, this could be a desirable engine for me.

Of course, I would have to see what the other LC 2.0 engines come out like before I make a purchase.

TrainMan1225 posted:

Does anyone know what the price of the LionChief 2.0 GG1s is?

$499.99

I like your enthusiasm Bob. Honestly, though I was hoping for something more unique. Northern Pacific 4-8-4 would have been nice. Use the coal tender from the FEF. Put the s3 pilot on it and you are close to a class A4. Give it a grey boiler jacket... now your talking. 

Also for the sake of discussion., I believe we are ready for a newly tooled scale steam locomotive. A class PRR I1 would be great !

                                       Finally a large lettered B A R 7728 PD reefer!

J Daddy posted:

I like your enthusiasm Bob. Honestly, though I was hoping for something more unique. Northern Pacific 4-8-4 would have been nice. Use the coal tender from the FEF. Put the s3 pilot on it and you are close to a class A4. Give it a grey boiler jacket... now your talking. 

Also for the sake of discussion., I believe we are ready for a newly tooled scale steal locomotive. A class PRR I1 would be great !

I know Lionel has big plans...  they are doing great hybrids...  i would think they could do new steam more accurately with hybrids...  they just gave us new 19th century steamers...

I would like to see some more hybrids...

Doug N posted:

Is that a NKP Alco switcher I see. O scale, Legacy?

 

 

Yes, Alco S-2/4s.  I am up for a Northern Pacific model. 

I just realized, that Lionel wanted everyone to go to there local hobby shop to pick up a paper copy. Since some of the stores are dealing with the downside of internet sales, Lionel wanted to encourage everyone by going to their local hobby shop by getting their paper copy 2 weeks early.

SDIV Tim posted:

I just realized, that Lionel wanted everyone to go to there local hobby shop to pick up a paper copy. Since some of the stores are dealing with the downside of internet sales, Lionel wanted to encourage everyone by going to their local hobby shop by getting their paper copy 2 weeks early.

Bingo.  I think that's exactly right.  I went to a hobby shop with my daughter today.  This shop always gets their catalogs late.  They had a whole stack of new catalogs.  That July 22 date was a ruse all along.

Tim...  It certainly looks that way!  My local hobby dealer loves to see me.  I buy trains.  

I also frequent some of the excellent larger mail order shops too...

a visit to the local shop isn't in itself a bad idea...

Severn posted:

a visit to the local shop isn't in itself a bad idea...

If you have a decent one, for sure.  I do not.  By the way, Super O Bob, Electric Train Outlet is going out of business.  Bob Jacobson is really retiring.  Really: Electric Train Outlet

MikeH posted:

Severn posted:

a visit to the local shop isn't in itself a bad idea...

If you have a decent one, for sure.  I do not.  By the way, Super O Bob, Electric Train Outlet is going out of business.  Bob Jacobson is really retiring.  Really: Electric Train Outlet

Wow about Electric Train Outlet!! I lived in STL for two years and he said he was retiring and selling then...15 years ago!! 

bigtruckpete posted:

Wow about Electric Train Outlet!! I lived in STL for two years and he said he was retiring and selling then...15 years ago!! 

I just got into O at the end of 2017.  When I told people I went to that store and the owner said he's retiring, they would laugh and say the same thing: "He always says that!" (Super O Bob said the same).  So I wanted him to know that it's finally, actually happening.

MikeH posted:

Severn posted:

a visit to the local shop isn't in itself a bad idea...

If you have a decent one, for sure.  I do not.  By the way, Super O Bob, Electric Train Outlet is going out of business.  Bob Jacobson is really retiring.  Really: Electric Train Outlet

No way!  Its not possible!  Bob jacobson has been retiring for last 20years!  He told me he was in 1999 when i moved back to Detroit!

I better order something from him i know he has!

bigtruckpete posted:

MikeH posted:

Severn posted:

a visit to the local shop isn't in itself a bad idea...

If you have a decent one, for sure.  I do not.  By the way, Super O Bob, Electric Train Outlet is going out of business.  Bob Jacobson is really retiring.  Really: Electric Train Outlet

Wow about Electric Train Outlet!! I lived in STL for two years and he said he was retiring and selling then...15 years ago!! 

LMAO!  

MikeH posted:

SDIV Tim posted:

I just realized, that Lionel wanted everyone to go to there local hobby shop to pick up a paper copy. Since some of the stores are dealing with the downside of internet sales, Lionel wanted to encourage everyone by going to their local hobby shop by getting their paper copy 2 weeks early.

Bingo.  I think that's exactly right.  I went to a hobby shop with my daughter today.  This shop always gets their catalogs late.  They had a whole stack of new catalogs.  That July 22 date was a ruse all along.

I seriously doubt this is to send folks scrambling to their LHS to get a "sneak peak.".  Fewer and fewer people have access to a LHS nowadays.  It's also interesting that the photo's of the catalog pages or product/price listings haven't been struck down like they were for V1.

All the catalog release does is create product buzz for an additional two weeks before the catalog goes online.  Products aren't going to get here any faster.

I'd be willing to bet Lionel's own store in the Concord Mall began offering the catalogs last Friday...

Rusty

The NS OCS engines are going to get me.  I've been waiting for these for some time.  

"Just when I think I'm out, they bring me right back in!"

Thaddeus posted:

The NS OCS engines are going to get me.  I've been waiting for these for some time.  

"Just when I think I'm out, they bring me right back in!"

I hope the catalog picture is wrong, the HEP exhaust doesn't look right.  

I have been waiting for the NS OCS but still conflicted about the color of the office cars, they missed pretty badly on the theater car imo

A CNJ 4-6-6T? First of all they didn’t exist in that configuration and at $1100 no less!!! The least Lionel could have done was make the proper 4-6-4T config and proper feed water heater. Correct bell location would be nice too.  These are all easy changes using existing parts. K-Line units will now come down in price. I’ll just buy one of them, make the changes needed and save +$600!

scott.smith posted:

2012ford posted:

Pictures of the SD70's please

what why is there no ferromex they need to make one to go with the es44ac 

I always go for the local road names, but I did notice that this locomotive does not have Bluetooth. Hopefully this is just a printing error.

Gary

What are specs for the sd70 Ace's ??? Min curve , length.

Here is a video of the O-scale stuff

https://youtu.be/rZnd91uTDtI

Jerryc86 posted:

What are specs for the sd70 Ace's ??? Min curve , length.

 

O-36 curve and 19"

Jimthetrainfan posted:

Here is a video of the O-scale stuff

https://youtu.be/rZnd91uTDtI

Thank you!

Just a red I-12 & BAR car for me.

2012ford posted:

Jerryc86 posted:

What are specs for the sd70 Ace's ??? Min curve , length.

 

O-36 curve and 19"

Thanks!

Picked up the catalog at a local store today, now realize that the 3 dome cars I was wanting are all camera dome cars and $329 each. No thanks!!!! I have no desire to have camera equipped everything.  I have 2 camera inspection cars already that I do not use the camera feature.  Lionel needs to offer the domes without cameras!!!!!!!!!!!!

Here’s a full video of the whole catalog: https://youtu.be/JnHlM6syYXI

One of the unique things in the Lionel catalog is the reintroduction of the model power line of buildings and figures under the Lionel name.

I was going to look at the videos online of the new catalog.  I even started playing it as far as the first few pages and then turned it off. Maybe I'm weird, but I prefer to wait to get the catalog in my hands.  I remember the days when Christmas was nearing and you got the Sears wish book in the mail. There was nothing greater than sitting down and thumbing through that book for hours. While admittedly I don't have much desire for most Lionel products nowadays, there are occasional things that do catch my interest and I will end up purchasing. To me waiting for the catalog to arrive, and when it does, brewing a nice cup of coffee and sitting in the easy chair viewing it brings back that feeling and memories of when I was a kid and the Sears wish book!

Well, I picked up my catalog tonight, talked with Tony a bit while the rain fell(lots of flooding out there on the roads in NJ, I got lucky). Curious thing, they offer two NYC ESE passenger cars, a combine and observation. I didn't see any other cars out there. Anyone have an idea(or are they planning something?)?

Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:

Well, I picked up my catalog tonight, talked with Tony a bit while the rain fell(lots of flooding out there on the roads in NJ, I got lucky). Curious thing, they offer two NYC ESE passenger cars, a combine and observation. I didn't see any other cars out there. Anyone have an idea(or are they planning something?)?

I think these are the combine and observation that they offered a few years back with the four car set the did. The four car set shipped long ago but I don’t think these two cars ever did.

N&WGuy posted:

Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:

Well, I picked up my catalog tonight, talked with Tony a bit while the rain fell(lots of flooding out there on the roads in NJ, I got lucky). Curious thing, they offer two NYC ESE passenger cars, a combine and observation. I didn't see any other cars out there. Anyone have an idea(or are they planning something?)?

I think these are the combine and observation that they offered a few years back with the four car set the did. The four car set shipped long ago but I don’t think these two cars ever did.

Do you remember what catalog it was in?

Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:

N&WGuy posted:

Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:

Well, I picked up my catalog tonight, talked with Tony a bit while the rain fell(lots of flooding out there on the roads in NJ, I got lucky). Curious thing, they offer two NYC ESE passenger cars, a combine and observation. I didn't see any other cars out there. Anyone have an idea(or are they planning something?)?

I think these are the combine and observation that they offered a few years back with the four car set the did. The four car set shipped long ago but I don’t think these two cars ever did.

Do you remember what catalog it was in?

They’re on page 36 and 37 of the 2017 Signature Edition Volume 1 Catalog

N&WGuy posted:

Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:

N&WGuy posted:

Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:

Well, I picked up my catalog tonight, talked with Tony a bit while the rain fell(lots of flooding out there on the roads in NJ, I got lucky). Curious thing, they offer two NYC ESE passenger cars, a combine and observation. I didn't see any other cars out there. Anyone have an idea(or are they planning something?)?

I think these are the combine and observation that they offered a few years back with the four car set the did. The four car set shipped long ago but I don’t think these two cars ever did.

Do you remember what catalog it was in?

They’re on page 36 and 37 of the 2017 Signature Edition Volume 1 Catalog

I spoke to my dealer on these cars. Lionel had these as a 2-pack in the 2017 catalog. Customers were mad that they had to buy a 2-pack in order to get the observation car. The 4 pack never had the observation car. Lionel is now offering each car as separate sale instead of a 2 pack. 

NVisich posted:

N&WGuy posted:

Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:

N&WGuy posted:

Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:

Well, I picked up my catalog tonight, talked with Tony a bit while the rain fell(lots of flooding out there on the roads in NJ, I got lucky). Curious thing, they offer two NYC ESE passenger cars, a combine and observation. I didn't see any other cars out there. Anyone have an idea(or are they planning something?)?

I think these are the combine and observation that they offered a few years back with the four car set the did. The four car set shipped long ago but I don’t think these two cars ever did.

Do you remember what catalog it was in?

They’re on page 36 and 37 of the 2017 Signature Edition Volume 1 Catalog

I spoke to my dealer on these cars. Lionel had these as a 2-pack in the 2017 catalog. Customers were mad that they had to buy a 2-pack in order to get the observation car. The 4 pack never had the observation car. Lionel is now offering each car as separate sale instead of a 2 pack. 

Okay, these went with the E8's. Good news is I don't have to buy them as I didn't get any of those.

OK, what's with the N&W dome car in UP livery? I must have missed the memo on that paint scheme.

A surprising amount of HO in this catalog. I am surprised that Lionel is jumping into HO again as big as they are. Both previous attempts (1950s and 1970s) failed. Maybe the third time is the charm?

trainroomgary posted:

I always go for the local road names, but I did notice that this locomotive does not have Bluetooth. Hopefully this is just a printing error.

Gary

Hi Gary...  reading the caption, it says "bluetooth is now included".

Its also called out in the standard Legacy features list on pg28.

So it has it...

Gilly@N&W posted:

OK, what's with the N&W dome car in UP livery? I must have missed the memo on that paint scheme.

From utahrails.net :

Dome Coach -- 1 car
Pullman-Standard, 1958
Lightweight

Wabash 203 was built in November 1958 at the same time as UP 7011-7015, which were themselves the last dome cars built for Union Pacific. Wabash 203, and UP 7011-7015, were initially assigned to City of St. Louis service, with Wabash 203 being in full UP yellow and gray colors, but with its Wabash name spelled out in UP's distinctive red lettering.

Wabash was leased to N&W in 1964, and the car became N&W 1613 in March 1966. The car remained in UP colors, with Norfolk & Western spelled out, until it was repainted to N&W's Blue and Aluminum colors upon the cancellation of the City of St. Louis pool in (?). Sold to Central of Georgia 1613 in 1970, to Southern 1613 in 1971 after Amtrak brought an end to Central of Georgia's passenger service. Car sold during 1979 to Quebec North Shore & Labrador; repainted boxcar brown as QNS&L 13510; repainted in 1993 into a new silver and red scheme.

Dave Warburton posted:

A surprising amount of HO in this catalog. I am surprised that Lionel is jumping into HO again as big as they are. Both previous attempts (1950s and 1970s) failed. Maybe the third time is the charm?

Well, HO is where brand loyalty isn't as prevalent as it is in O.  Given there are already well established product offerings for all interests it will be interesting to see if Lionel can gain a foothold.

It's interesting that according to the catalog description, the HO Berks are being upgraded to "prototypical pilot and front end details and additional boiler details and separate handrails."  Guess Lionel figured out that a relettered Polar Express basic Berk isn't going to cut it in the competitive HO world.  Wonder if it will also get full valve gear.

Most of the freight cars are descended from old Marx tooling that Model Power owned.  The have basic detailing that won't attract the serious HO modeler.  The Pennsy style caboose is ex-Model Power and the Harriman passenger cars are ex-Model Power knock-offs of MDC cars.

Rusty

Ok I have a question about the showing of the up excursion cars. I see that there is a 3 pack and then a 4 pack. Both have the same price tag, but there is one car less I the 3 pack. What’s up? Also, when I looked in the Norfolk and western passenger cars the 4 pack is priced higher than the up 4 pack. Again what’s up? Finally, why did Lionel not show all of the cars in the packs like the Norfolk and western cars? Hope y’all can help. 

Super O Bob posted:

trainroomgary posted:

I always go for the local road names, but I did notice that this locomotive does not have Bluetooth. Hopefully this is just a printing error.

Gary

Hi Gary...  reading the caption, it says "bluetooth is now included".

Its also called out in the standard Legacy features list on pg28.

So it has it...