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Here’s the new Dreyfuss.   I don’t know if the gray paint is too light or if the stripes are correct.  Included passenger car for reference.   Correct or not, the engine & cars make a nice looking passenger train.  Let us all know what you think if the colors, stripes are accurate……….thanks for looking.

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Thanks for the video.  My own view is that the color on the loco is a much lighter gray than previous versions, and thus likely not representative of the fresh out of the shops version.  I plan on keeping mine, assuming it arrives functionally intact, which is  sometimes an issue with the way UPS/Fedex/USPS/etc. handle packages and the fragility of the models.  It's the current version of the too light gray Lionel Commodore Vanderbilt from the 1990s.  Interesting, attractive and acceptable to me as a toy train guy, but not so much to those who prefer something more traditional and likely closer to the 90 year old prototype which of course no longer exists.  Most black and white photos don't look like dark gray, but silver with a gray overtone to me, so none of the models made to date really look much like the weathered, oxidized paint in use on the real locomotives, to my eyes.  Including this one .

Let's be clear why the previous thread was likely erased. Amongst many reasonable criticisms were repeated abusive comments about Lionel and its employees.  Also repeated negative comments about Lionel customers who have different points of view.  All those abusive comments are damaging to business and lacking in civility to varying degrees and in various ways.  And bad for business. OGR isn't in the business of having free loaders (us) attack their advertisers' honesty and competence,  and attack other readers' common sense and perspectives. If anyone thinks it's free speech covered by the constitution's first amendment, that is 100% incorrect.  I would have erased the thread if I were in charge.  Having one set of customers abusing an advertiser and other customers encouraging others to do things that are harmful to Lionel's and OGR's business interests isn't in OGR's best interest. 

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@Landsteiner posted:

Let's be clear why the previous thread was likely erased. Amongst many reasonable criticisms were repeated abusive comments about Lionel and its employees.  Also repeated negative comments about Lionel customers who have different points of view.  All those abusive comments are damaging to business and lacking in civility to varying degrees and in various ways.  And bad for business. OGR isn't in the business of having free loaders (us) attack their advertisers' honesty and competence,  and attack other readers' common sense and perspectives. If anyone thinks it's free speech covered by the constitution's first amendment, that is 100% incorrect.  I would have erased the thread if I were in charge.  Having one set of customers abusing an advertiser and other customers encouraging others to do things that are harmful to Lionel's and OGR's business interests isn't in OGR's best interest.

Exactly....we have no problem with pointing out problems with what a manufacturer produced but personal attacks on their employees and the company itself is not allowed.  This is not Facebook, Twitter (X), etc.  If you can't be civil, then don't post.

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I don't recall either of those. I do remember the part about expecting incorrectly . Which appears anytime someone posts disappointment with a Lionel product.

Rick...we had several mods and members report personal posts in that thread so perhaps those posts got edited or deleted before you saw them but they were there.  I am looking at them now.

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@W&W posted:

I made post for those to see the actual engine.   Unaware of former post(s) concerning this engine being deleted for whatever reason.   My intent was not to start controversy.   I’m happy with my engine, cars regardless if accurate or not.    If OGR desires, will gladly delete my post.

And that Craig has been what some of us have been saying. If you like the engine and cars regardless if the color is right or wrong, then that is okay. It's your railroad, your rules. I don't believe the majority of us on the other thread were saying anyone was wrong for liking it as is. I just know when I get mine they will head to the Harmon Yard Shops to get the full correct paint job starting with the 1938 engine and cars. The 1940's engines will be later. I just have to wait for everything to get in yet. I'm glad you like the engine and cars, hopefully there are no issues in running.

Nice looking engine Craig!

I've seen the dark grey one posted on instagram and in the trainworld show room, it's a nice looking engine but (IMHO) would clash with the passenger cars. What I will say is the engine looks different under different temperature lights (Daylight vs soft white). It seems most of the pics/vids have been under daylight, but if you put it under soft white light it definitely looks better. My videos size-wise are pretty large so instead I'll post 2 instagram links (of my content so it's not someone elses), but if I need to remove them LMK

This shows you the dreyfus under different temperature lights, I'm not using a filter, merely a light on a stick and changing the temperature value: https://www.instagram.com/p/C0XtDTKR40z/

This shows the full consist with the cars: https://www.instagram.com/p/C0Xebg0x24P/

Personally I'm pretty happy with the set but I'm not a diehard new york central guy, I'm an Amtrak, Subway, and VIA (which noone makes in O gauge anymore ) guy.

In summary, the stripes dont really bother me, the grey is a bit lighter than it should be but it matches the cars, and if you use different lighting it films better. In general it does look better in person than on camera, I can't really explain why.

Color aside the tooling is pretty impressive.



Personally I'm pretty happy with the set but I'm not a diehard new york central guy, I'm an Amtrak, Subway, and VIA (which noone makes in O gauge anymore ) guy.



Yes, off topic, but 3rd Rail is offering a VIA P42.  Shameless plug - sorry!

On topic - If you are happy with the Latest Lionel J3, that is great.  Enjoy it!  There are several of us who are prone to pointing out concerns related to the prototype for those who may not be happy if it not closer in color to what the historical societies say the colors are.

However, that shouldn't ruin anyone's enjoyment of this specific locomotive and its features.  Lord knows, I've made a few questionable decisions on color in my work for brand "x" a few times over the years and I've paid the price on the pages of this forum and my personal email for it.  That's just life. 

The Dreyfuss J3 is an iconic locomotive, no doubt.  Someday one may find its way into my collection, but I am happy to pull my NYC trains with a Niagara, and a detail starved Williams one at that!

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