New S Gauge American Flyer Polar Express

This is a question for Dave Olson. Dave, On the new Polar Express set the catalogue shows that the lettering POLAR EXPRESS is now below the windows. The original sets have that lettering above the windows, is that really being changed or is it just an error on the illustration? Thanks for your answer.

Ray

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The unfortunate thing about the lowering of the lettering is that new add-on passenger cars like the hot chocolate car:

and extra coach:

most likely won't be ordered  by those ( I won't) who want to extend the original PE set. To have the lettering in two different places on cars in the same train would look confusing at best. That's OK though as my original PE set completely fills the stepped shelves reserved for it when I added the PE wood side reefer from last year.

Mark

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most likely won't be ordered  by those ( I won't) who want to extend the original PE set. To have the lettering in two different places on cars in the same train would look confusing at best. That's OK though as my original PE set completely fills the stepped shelves reserved for it when I added the PE wood side reefer from last year.

Mark

I agree! Enough coaches already. But then there's that Aquarium Car...

Dave Olson posted:

The lettering is staying the same as it was on the first run of the S polar. It matches the movie. We moved it for the O versions.

Dave, that makes for a really big typo in the catalog. From Pgs. 218-219

So what gives? How did the catalog get it so wrong?

The original set 6-49632 has the lettering on top.

The new set #6-44039 has it lowered. If nothing has changed about the set why the new set#? Those who want to order additional passenger cars need this sorted out for certain.

Mark

 

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I got them mixed up. So we are moving the lettering to below the windows as per the movie. And yes, the window silhouettes are more detailed.

So if you have the original set, the lettering on the new cars will not match.

Dave Olson

Director of Engineering

Lionel LLC

So, Dave, any chance the "new extra cars" will also be made with the P.E. lettering above the windows as per the early, original  P.E. Flyer Chief sets or is Lionel's plan one of forced obsolescence for the original set buyers like myself having no choice other than to upgrade to a new set or forego buying additional cars if we want a completely matching set?

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banjoflyer posted:

The unfortunate thing about the lowering of the lettering is that new add-on passenger cars like the hot chocolate car:

and extra coach most likely won't be ordered  by those ( I won't) who want to extend the original PE set. To have the lettering in two different places on cars in the same train would look confusing at best. That's OK though as my original PE set completely fills the stepped shelves reserved for it when I added the PE wood side reefer from last year.

Mark

I recall when they first came out some questioning why not produce the cars as depicted in the movie and others saying it isn't a real train anyway who cares. (Superman isn't real yet in the toy aisles he is never dressed in green with a purple cape.) I'd have expected those owning the Polar Express license to require the lettering in the right spot and the colors close. Lionel may get those who have held back to spring for a set now plus those who want a correctly done set.

Since we're on the subject, will the new O scale Polar Express Berkshire have whistle steam effect as well as the previous sound clips from the movie? Or, will the movie clips be a different variety?

Last question: any idea when we can expect delivery on the engine and cars?

Thanks

Being new to PE (bought the LC set w/Bluetooth last year), I am curious about a Conductor announcements car.  It seems like nearly all other cars are in this new catalog, but that one is conspicuously missing.

I may order a few of the cars, but not sure I want to test my luck and see how long the engine could pull a full train (though I understand the newer motors are far superior to the original set from many years ago that was famously under powered when adding extra cars).

-Dave

 

Guys...try to keep this post reserved for the S scale version of the Polar Express set. Mixing O gauge comments with others here will muddy the waters plenty.

With that said if anyone wants any add-on coaches from the original S gauge PE set Charles Ro is now "blowing them out". Look for the cars from the 2013 and 2017 catalog that show the lettering on top of the car windows.

Mark

banjoflyer posted:

Guys...try to keep this post reserved for the S scale version of the Polar Express set. Mixing O gauge comments with others here will muddy the waters plenty.

"S," "S Gauge" or "Flyer" should be placed in the subject line, particularly when similar items are offered in O.

Rusty

"S," "S Gauge" or "Flyer" should be placed in the subject line, particularly when similar items are offered in O.

Rusty

Thank you Rusty, you are totally correct, that was my error and I apologize to any I may have confused.

I have since change the topic to reflect S Gauge

Ray

Recently bought A/F Polar Express set , made it a figure 8 layout (upstairs). Very enjoyable, love the Bluetooth app to run it with.  Love the scale dimension the set offers. Great puller, excellent speed control, smoke that won't quit, and realistic sound, Tom Hanks.

Interesting though, Lionel lists the track at R20, it's the same as their 036 fastrack for O gauge,  so they must be measuring from outside rail to outside rail on A/F where as O gauge  is measured center rail to center rail.

Another interesting fact, since there is no center rail, it sounds different when running.

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Jushavnfun posted:

Recently bought A/F Polar Express set , made it a figure 8 layout (upstairs). Very enjoyable, love the Bluetooth app to run it with.  Love the scale dimension the set offers. Great puller, excellent speed control, smoke that won't quit, and realistic sound, Tom Hanks.

Interesting though, Lionel lists the track at R20, it's the same as their 036 fastrack for O gauge,  so they must be measuring from outside rail to outside rail on A/F where as O gauge  is measured center rail to center rail.

Another interesting fact, since there is no center rail, it sounds different when running.

The sound is most likely affected by the smaller size of the speaker and smaller tender shell resonance.

Rusty

Rusty  I'm running no sound on both engines, however volume at full is not quite as loud ON A/F engine. My new the speaker in use is "Fat Boy Slim"  LOL

Roundhouse Bill.  IMO The extra noise on 3 rail must be coming from the pick up rollers on the center rail and the fit ( not as tight and close) of 3 rail track vs. 2 rail.

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Jushavnfun,

I don't know what the Fat Boy Slim is, but with the original S gauge PE I changed the speaker and used the Fat Boy that ERR sells. This speaker noticeably increased the volume on both my "S" PE Berk and on my "S"  Nickel Plate Berk. As Rusty mentioned maybe the larger speaker and tender on the O gauge PE contributes to the difference.

Ray

Jushavnfun posted:

Rusty  I'm running no sound on both engines, however volume at full is not quite as loud ON A/F engine. My new the speaker in use is "Fat Boy Slim"  LOL

Roundhouse Bill.  IMO The extra noise on 3 rail must be coming from the pick up rollers on the center rail and the fit ( not as tight and close) of 3 rail track vs. 2 rail.

Confusing statement here. If you are running no sound on both engines, what volume are you referring to, just the mechanical noise of the drivetrain and wheels on the track? If that’s the case, why would any speaker difference matter?

Bill in FtL

Well so much for that, electricrr is refunding my payment:

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Note from merchant Separate speakers no longer available from us. Try Lionel. Ken

 Does anyone know the Lionel part number?

But just so I understand the Berk speaker situation; Lionel sells it with a lousy speaker so you can buy a better speaker from Lionel?  There must be other better speakers out there.

Tom Stoltz in Maine

Thanks Chuck.  Just bought one.  Looks like a good one to have on hand and try.  Thank you oh trusted speaker advisor.  

Dave

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Specializing in S-gauge train repairs, upgrades, and DCC conversions

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Sgaugian posted:

Thanks Chuck.  Just bought one.  Looks like a good one to have on hand and try.  Thank you oh trusted speaker advisor.  

Dave

That's the grandest title I achieved this year. But I think it was Ed Goldin who originally recommended the Railmaster brand to me.

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