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I saw that Lionel has announced a cool new Vision Line Norfolk and Western Class A 2-6-6-4. It's not what I was expecting, but it is pretty cool. N&W's Class As were coal haulers, so Lionel should make some new coal hoppers to go with their new engine. Also, I would like to see a Vision freight car with new sounds to match the Class As. I don't know how they could put a sound set and speaker into a hopper. A box car, reefer, tank car, or passenger car are perfect for making sound cars. I guess Lionel's designers could cover the Legacy boards and speaker with the coal load. Then operators would need to remove the load to access the switches and volume knob for the boards.

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I wonder if a sound set and flat speaker could be squeezed into a false bottom on a hopper.

I'm interesting in seeing the locomotive in the catalog. I'm not overly interested in it but I think that's because I don't know the history/story of the locomotive. I hope the mystery feature is a detail oriented item. Lionel Voice Control and that kind of stuff does appeal to some people but it's definitely not my thing.

I'm also pleased to see 3D printing being used in the prototype. I hope that positively impacts the cost of prototyping and helps bring new items to market. We'll see!

@N'awlins posted:

I would think the "surprise feature" would have to be something associated with the aux tender. Perhaps a unique sound set that is specific to the tender and a smoke unit that simulates water transfer at the hose hook up.

Or perhaps smoke simulation from the brake shoes when applying the train brake.

Just spitballing.

Water is "transferred" constantly.  The tender and auxiliary are essentially one unit.  There is no smoke, steam, sound or pumps associated with it.

It's like a two basin sink with a clog in the p-trap.  The water level is the same in both basins.  When the clog is cleared, the water level will recede equally from both basins.

Rusty

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Water is "transferred" constantly.  The tender and auxiliary are essentially one unit.  There is no smoke, steam, sound or pumps associated with it.

It's like a two basin sink with a clog in the p-trap.  The water level is the same in both basins.  When the clog is cleared, the water level will recede equally from both basins.

Rusty

Thanks, Rusty. Awesome information.

I have the TMCC version and am eagerly awaiting ordering one of these beauties.

Water is "transferred" constantly.  The tender and auxiliary are essentially one unit.  There is no smoke, steam, sound or pumps associated with it.

It's like a two basin sink with a clog in the p-trap.  The water level is the same in both basins.  When the clog is cleared, the water level will recede equally from both basins.

How is water transferred to the locomotive?  It would seem that you'd have to have some pumping there to get it to the proper level for the boiler.

How is water transferred to the locomotive?  It would seem that you'd have to have some pumping there to get it to the proper level for the boiler.

That is done by injectors on the locomotive.  There is one (normally) on each side of the locomotive.  One for the fireman and on for the engineer.  Steam passing over a nozzle in the injector creating a venturi effect drawing water from the tender.  Think of a steam powered airbrush...

Before injectors, there was a pump connected to the crosshead and water could only be added when the locomotive was in motion.

Here is the fireman's injector on IRM's 1630:

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There is also a valve further up that the fireman operates to admit steam to start the injector.

Rusty

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@BillYo414 posted:

If the valve is operated and no one is around to hear it....

Do the injectors make a noise that could be the new feature in January?

They do make a noise. As so many other locomotives, the A's had an injector on the engineer's side and a cold water pump for the feedwater heater on the fireman's side.

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I have a recording of 1218 in service in the late fifties sitting still and you can hear the injector, stoker and air pumps working.

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I saw a TMCC scale version at this past York selling at $500. Could have offered the seller $450 cash which is what they are about selling for. I predict more of those will hit the buy/sell boards soon with the Vision one coming out soon. This is one scale engine I don’t have yet and with some of John’s aka Gunrunner mods done to it, might be well worth buying.

I saw a TMCC scale version at this past York selling at $500. Could have offered the seller $450 cash which is what they are about selling for. I predict more of those will hit the buy/sell boards soon with the Vision one coming out soon. This is one scale engine I don’t have yet and with some of John’s aka Gunrunner mods done to it, might be well worth buying.

That's what I usually see them priced at, at shows.   If I can get one for that price, might have Sid/Bruk install Legacy and beat the high cost Lionel is going to charge.

I saw a TMCC scale version at this past York selling at $500. Could have offered the seller $450 cash which is what they are about selling for. I predict more of those will hit the buy/sell boards soon with the Vision one coming out soon. This is one scale engine I don’t have yet and with some of John’s aka Gunrunner mods done to it, might be well worth buying.

Funny thing, I just finished the Lionel Class-A for a customer, cruise, Super-Chuffer, Chuff-Generator, etc.  It actually is a nice locomotive, I was tempted at York as I saw several for sale.  However, I have too many personal projects still on the back burner to add one right now.

@Dave Olson posted:

We're doing a Ryan & Dave show tomorrow and we'll talk about this engine if anyone is interested.

Can't make the live show but I'll definitely watch it later if it's uploaded.

@Big Jim posted:

They do make a noise. As so many other locomotives, the A's had an injector on the engineer's side and a cold water pump for the feedwater heater on the fireman's side.

I have a recording of 1218 in service in the late fifties sitting still and you can hear the injector, stoker and air pumps working.

So we **could** find out the mystery feature is an increase in the number of available sounds. Good to know.

I saw a TMCC scale version at this past York selling at $500. Could have offered the seller $450 cash which is what they are about selling for. I predict more of those will hit the buy/sell boards soon with the Vision one coming out soon. This is one scale engine I don’t have yet and with some of John’s aka Gunrunner mods done to it, might be well worth buying.

There were quite a few of these out there at the show. I do believ that was probably the best priced one. IIRC one person had one for $650, and another I want to say $900? I could be confusing the $900 one for the Pennsy T1 Duplex as there quite a bit of those as well with the same range in pricing.

I saw that Lionel has announced a cool new Vision Line Norfolk and Western Class A 2-6-6-4. It's not what I was expecting, but it is pretty cool. N&W's Class As were coal haulers, so Lionel should make some new coal hoppers to go with their new engine. Also, I would like to see a Vision freight car with new sounds to match the Class As. I don't know how they could put a sound set and speaker into a hopper. A box car, reefer, tank car, or passenger car are perfect for making sound cars. I guess Lionel's designers could cover the Legacy boards and speaker with the coal load. Then operators would need to remove the load to access the switches and volume knob for the boards.

Actually the Class A was designed, built, and operated as a passenger loco. It wasn't until later that it was moved to dual service with freight, and later to freight completely.

I also think that is why lionel has a fantasy passenger paint scheme as an option for the loco

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