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@harmonyards posted:

Yes, 5344 bumped a shrouded Pacific on the Chicago-Detroit leg of the Mercury,….two things to note,…only in Vanderbilt dress did 5344 pull the “Century “ on some occasions, …5344 never pulled the Century in her last dress of Dreyfuss streamlining,….that was strictly Mercury service, where ironically, she shared Mercury service with former Empire State Express star Hudson # 5426…

Pat

I love the intel. Did 5344 not pull Century duty because the better J's, J3's in this case were more powerful?

@Norton posted:

Well the Niagaras didn’t need those logs. Their horsepower matched three E8s. Not so much on tractive effort though. Maybe with some MTH traction tires they could have.

Pete

Yeah, the great Niagara debate. I think someone got in one of the discussions on this kept trying to argue with Hot Water on the tractive effort part saying the Niagara's "out classed" the diesels. He(Hot Water) maintained that the Niagara's couldn't on the tractive effort. I think you may have been on part of that discussion Pete.

P.S., I really need to study more Hudson history. Hopefully I can find some great NYC books at York if any are there.

I love the intel. Did 5344 not pull Century duty because the better J's, J3's in this case were more powerful?

Yeah, the great Niagara debate. I think someone got in one of the discussions on this kept trying to argue with Hot Water on the tractive effort part saying the Niagara's "out classed" the diesels. He(Hot Water) maintained that the Niagara's couldn't on the tractive effort. I think you may have been on part of that discussion Pete.

P.S., I really need to study more Hudson history. Hopefully I can find some great NYC books at York if any are there.

Not necessarily the case, the 5344 had a job to do at the time the J3’s rolled onto the scene. The idea being the last 10 locomotives built out of the final J3a lot were solely intended for the Century and all her segments, ……5344’s job was at the head of the Commodore…….as Hudsons were developed, some of the” upgrades”  worked their way into shoppings when the locomotives required overhaul…..by the time the Commodore Vanderbilt Hudson ( 5344)  had been out shopped with Scullin disks and roller bearing rod ends, she had much of the improvements that a stock J3a Super Hudson would’ve had anyways,…..save for a few parts,……you’ve got to keep in mind, the Century was THE way to travel in the late 30’s ….elite, exclusive, and plush, …Dreyfuss didn’t just design the locomotive, he designed the whole dang train set ( as far as the public’s appearance was concerned) ……..

Pat

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